Gameshow Mafia (Reroll): Game Over

[Creature]

Challenge: design a scumteam combination of {Chemist, Creature, Nance, RC, Skygazer}

[chennisden]

lets do rc coal pls cuz I think it wins

[Titus]

If a majority of players in the game agree to follow my coalition before I give it I'll post my coalition and we'll do it

Otherwise I'm fine with confirming the 1/2 or 2/1 even though that information is essentially common knowledge

I'd never agree to a blind coalition before. Now the alternative is you do the smarter play improv, well...

My vote is easy.

[Chemist1422]

Challenge: design a scumteam combination of {Chemist, Creature, Nance, RC, Skygazer}

Not taking you up on that one

Creature, I've got a quick question for you. Do you think we're TvS?

[Titus]

Challenge: design a scumteam combination of {Chemist, Creature, Nance, RC, Skygazer}

Not taking you up on that one

Creature, I've got a quick question for you. Do you think we're TvS?

Why not ask if he thinks you're scum? This is awkward wording.

[Chemist1422]

Challenge: design a scumteam combination of {Chemist, Creature, Nance, RC, Skygazer}

Not taking you up on that one

Creature, I've got a quick question for you. Do you think we're TvS?

Why not ask if he thinks you're scum? This is awkward wording.

shh I'm trying to bait him

[MariaR]

I think we're all just waiting for something at this point. But just vote the coal so it can fail

[Titus]

I think we're all just waiting for something at this point. But just vote the coal so it can fail

Yeah. Day 6 starts immediately and I'll ssit on my hands and vote anything not 1 of 4 after confirming the pools.

[Creature]

Challenge: design a scumteam combination of {Chemist, Creature, Nance, RC, Skygazer}

Not taking you up on that one

Creature, I've got a quick question for you. Do you think we're TvS?

I'm not sure. If you're not scum then we've got to find who from Nance, RC, Skygazer is scum.

[Titus]

Challenge: design a scumteam combination of {Chemist, Creature, Nance, RC, Skygazer}

Not taking you up on that one

Creature, I've got a quick question for you. Do you think we're TvS?

I'm not sure. If you're not scum then we've got to find who from Nance, RC, Skygazer is scum.

Why not multiples? I'm starting to believe there may not be scum outside the coalition. Of course, that could be stubbornness but I am shocked at the resistance. If there was scum outside the coalition, you'd think they'd heavy push my plan.

[Creature]

Challenge: design a scumteam combination of {Chemist, Creature, Nance, RC, Skygazer}

Not taking you up on that one

Creature, I've got a quick question for you. Do you think we're TvS?

I'm not sure. If you're not scum then we've got to find who from Nance, RC, Skygazer is scum.

Why not multiples? I'm starting to believe there may not be scum outside the coalition. Of course, that could be stubbornness but I am shocked at the resistance. If there was scum outside the coalition, you'd think they'd heavy push my plan.

Cool.

Who are the scumteam from Chem, Nance, RC, Sky and me?

[Creature]

Could be the resistance comes from town?

[Titus]

Could be the resistance comes from town?

Possible but I would expect scum to support my plan although my plan is logically optimal, it provides no short term information

[Titus]

Challenge: design a scumteam combination of {Chemist, Creature, Nance, RC, Skygazer}

Not taking you up on that one

Creature, I've got a quick question for you. Do you think we're TvS?

I'm not sure. If you're not scum then we've got to find who from Nance, RC, Skygazer is scum.

Why not multiples? I'm starting to believe there may not be scum outside the coalition. Of course, that could be stubbornness but I am shocked at the resistance. If there was scum outside the coalition, you'd think they'd heavy push my plan.

Cool.

Who are the scumteam from Chem, Nance, RC, Sky and me?

Dunno. Shit is weird though.

[NanceFloor]

Could be the resistance comes from town?

Possible but I would expect scum to support my plan although my plan is logically optimal, it provides no short term information

but what if

scum is supporting your plan ¿

- dann

[NanceFloor]

Vote Count 5.2.2

0verki11, chennisden, MariaR, Moongrass, Succinct, Time Devil, Titus

(2): Moongrass, Titus

Creature, MariaR, Moongrass, NanceFloor, RadiantCowbells, Skygazer, Titus

(1): MariaR

chennisden, MariaR, NanceFloor, RadiantCowbells, Skygazer, Succinct, Titus

(1): chennisden

Not Voting (8): RadiantCowbells, Time Devil, Succinct, Creature, Skygazer, NanceFloor, Chemist1422, 0verki11

With 12 players alive, it takes 7 to select a coalition of 7.

The deadline for choosing a coalition is 2 June 4:30am UTC-4, or in (expired on 2019-06-02 04:30:00)

Mod notes:

[NanceFloor]

If a majority of players in the game agree to follow my coalition before I give it I'll post my coalition and we'll do it

Otherwise I'm fine with confirming the 1/2 or 2/1 even though that information is essentially common knowledge

Why can’t you tell us what it is first? But it’s got to be better than Titus’, which is guaranteed to fail. At this point, I just want anything to go through. I pretty much stopped caring about this game after we vetoed PB.

[Titus]

Could be the resistance comes from town?

Possible but I would expect scum to support my plan although my plan is logically optimal, it provides no short term information

but what if

scum is supporting your plan ¿

- dann

They pretty much aren't. The closest thing to a supporter is Moongrass. That dude's been crickets.

Second, my coalition is not guaranteed to fail. If we suppose you town for sake of argument, only 3 others in the original coalition would need to be scum. It's theoretically possible my coalition wins the game.

It's also an argument I want to close off from scum.

[NanceFloor]

nonono we can win right now

How?

Can I say the idea of confirming it wasn't 3-0's absurd and seems like a total waste?

If a majority of players in the game agree to follow my coalition before I give it I'll post my coalition and we'll do it
Otherwise I'm fine with confirming the 1/2 or 2/1 even though that information is essentially common knowledge

I don't exactly trust you, but if your plan isn't simply "let's do Titus's plan", I immediately trust it more than I do Titus's.

+1

You should have been here when we did veto, maybe you could have gotten people to listen to my 3 in coalition veto plan and we’d still have PB in the game.

Of the available options, I think any coalition that doesn’t have either Chemist/Creature and TD/Moon, has a very good chance of passing. With PB, probably a lock but meh.

[Titus]

nonono we can win right now

How?

Can I say the idea of confirming it wasn't 3-0's absurd and seems like a total waste?

If a majority of players in the game agree to follow my coalition before I give it I'll post my coalition and we'll do it
Otherwise I'm fine with confirming the 1/2 or 2/1 even though that information is essentially common knowledge

I don't exactly trust you, but if your plan isn't simply "let's do Titus's plan", I immediately trust it more than I do Titus's.

+1

You should have been here when we did veto, maybe you could have gotten people to listen to my 3 in coalition veto plan and we’d still have PB in the game.

Of the available options, I think any coalition that doesn’t have either Chemist/Creature and TD/Moon, has a very good chance of passing. With PB, probably a lock but meh.

Veto was always going to kill one town. The better play was 4 and then doing the coalition to create two irrevocable boxes that trap scum or autowin.

We also should not who died with PB. Clemency. That's someone no one was TRing. That gives greater credence that at least one of Chemist and Creature is scum.

[NanceFloor]

Could be the resistance comes from town?

Possible but I would expect scum to support my plan although my plan is logically optimal, it provides no short term information

but what if

scum is supporting your plan ¿

- dann

They pretty much aren't. The closest thing to a supporter is Moongrass. That dude's been crickets.

Second, my coalition is not guaranteed to fail. If we suppose you town for sake of argument, only 3 others in the original coalition would need to be scum. It's theoretically possible my coalition wins the game.

It's also an argument I want to close off from scum.

I seriously doubt that’s possible. I just can’t see a world where either RC or Sky are scum here, since I can’t see

both

Chemist/Creature being scum because of the dance pairings. I think one of Chemist/Creature + TD/Moon is my best current guess for the scumteam.

[NanceFloor]

Spoiler:

nonono we can win right now

How?

Can I say the idea of confirming it wasn't 3-0's absurd and seems like a total waste?

If a majority of players in the game agree to follow my coalition before I give it I'll post my coalition and we'll do it
Otherwise I'm fine with confirming the 1/2 or 2/1 even though that information is essentially common knowledge

I don't exactly trust you, but if your plan isn't simply "let's do Titus's plan", I immediately trust it more than I do Titus's.

+1

You should have been here when we did veto, maybe you could have gotten people to listen to my 3 in coalition veto plan and we’d still have PB in the game.

Of the available options, I think any coalition that doesn’t have either Chemist/Creature and TD/Moon, has a very good chance of passing. With PB, probably a lock but meh.[/quote]

Veto was always going to kill one town. The better play was 4 and then doing the coalition to create two irrevocable boxes that trap scum or autowin.

We also should not who died with PB. Clemency. That's someone no one was TRing. That gives greater credence that at least one of Chemist and Creature is scum. ~ Titus

[/quote]

That’s my point, had we substituted either TD or Moon for PB, we’d now know which one, because no way either TD/Moon were dying in that scenario, so one of Creature/Chemist would be dead along with Clemency and the survivor likely confiscum.

The dance pairings would suggest Chemist over Creature though because since Creature is arguably a more high investment player, it far less likely that scum!Creature pairs with town!Chemist than scum!Chemist pairing with town!Creature because he has been a much more low investment player but in any case, scum pairing both Chemist/Creature scum together is highly unlikely.

I also have strong reasons for thinking TD/Moon are 2/3 of the remaining scumteam.

Fuscosco’s interactions with both of them are strange. Fuscosco kept referring to TD as “lazy” and Mbaki was hard pushing vengeful over dance, which could have won scum the game so long as 2/3 scum voted it. Mbaki’s reasoning for pushing vengeful over dance were bs. He kept saying town controlled that more than dance. Untrue, because we got to vote for lynch or no lynch but with vengeful, all it takes was two scum pushing a mislynch to win them the game and if otoh scum were the lynch, they could just VK obvtown, so Venge=win/win for scum no matter what.

[Titus]

Could be the resistance comes from town?

Possible but I would expect scum to support my plan although my plan is logically optimal, it provides no short term information

but what if

scum is supporting your plan ¿

- dann

They pretty much aren't. The closest thing to a supporter is Moongrass. That dude's been crickets.

Second, my coalition is not guaranteed to fail. If we suppose you town for sake of argument, only 3 others in the original coalition would need to be scum. It's theoretically possible my coalition wins the game.

It's also an argument I want to close off from scum.

I seriously doubt that’s possible. I just can’t see a world where either RC or Sky are scum here, since I can’t see

both

Chemist/Creature being scum because of the dance pairings. I think one of Chemist/Creature + TD/Moon is my best current guess for the scumteam.

What's to stop your proposed scumteam from killing me and then arguing that I'm correct though? By doing my coalition plan, you protect your townread from that argument and show that the thought is paranoia.

[Titus]

That’s my point, had we substituted either TD or Moon for PB, we’d now know which one, because no way either TD/Moon were dying in that scenario, so one of Creature/Chemist would be dead along with Clemency and the survivor likely confiscum.

I would shoot TD or Moon as I hard TR both slots based on behavior and dance strategy.

[NanceFloor]

Spoiler:

mbaki are you trying to get wagoned

Actually, my impression is that of concise play. Im tempted to write it off as town, but direct scum may be too?

Fusco, why you voting me gurl?

pressure vote to sort players. I think this nancefloor explosion is the most happening thing this game thus far.

I am town, and it is a waste to pursue me right now.

my my my
said the spider to the fly

Just letting you know, a town mislynch is strictly better than a no-lynch!

what?

VOTE: chen

We have 4 days. Please relax Chen.

Oka lynch is cool. I

think

Shadow is town, for some pretty garbage reasons.

I am not placing a vote. I will be voting by end of day, do not worry.

This post tells me they arent so uninterested in this game. they have notes and are playing.

(no offense)

busting your stones, amoung other things.

Yes.

I hate tight-lipped people. I feel like youre fairly open here, and that scares me even more.

. In what world do you read that as making any attempt at all to try to sincerely sort us.

In what world is the proper response is to push his lynch over what you believe is an ineffective push? Its an issue where your response to his push is to push him for the same quality of material as he was pushing you with.

Ignore him for now, and see where he goes?

Cant go after every jerkhead who picks a bone with you.

If his push is weak then he will be lynched eventually. its too early to focus on one person only. it stymies progress, and we have enough of that rn

Weird Fuscosco TD/Moon interactions.