Gameshow Mafia (Reroll): Game Over

[Titus]

Like there's so much logically wrong with your argument Nancy that tipsy!Titus is shredding it. That's worrying.

[Titus]

Second, if TR or Moon did get shor, coalitioning the leftovers is never a viable plan.

[NanceFloor]

Could be the resistance comes from town?

Possible but I would expect scum to support my plan although my plan is logically optimal, it provides no short term information

but what if

scum is supporting your plan ¿

- dann

They pretty much aren't. The closest thing to a supporter is Moongrass. That dude's been crickets.

Second, my coalition is not guaranteed to fail. If we suppose you town for sake of argument, only 3 others in the original coalition would need to be scum. It's theoretically possible my coalition wins the game.

It's also an argument I want to close off from scum.

I seriously doubt that’s possible. I just can’t see a world where either RC or Sky are scum here, since I can’t see

both

Chemist/Creature being scum because of the dance pairings. I think one of Chemist/Creature + TD/Moon is my best current guess for the scumteam.

What's to stop your proposed scumteam from killing me and then arguing that I'm correct though? By doing my coalition plan, you protect your townread from that argument and show that the thought is paranoia.

Scum couldn’t kill outside of veto?

But unless we vote a power that contains an NK, they can’t kill. I don’t see why scum kills you at all, since your veto plan went through, so I’m assuming scum was onboard with it.

Also Moon being okay with your plan, supports my 2 scum outside of coalition theory because if he’s scum and the ONLY scum on your preferred wagon, he’d never back it.

[NanceFloor]

Like there's so much logically wrong with your argument Nancy that tipsy!Titus is shredding it. That's worrying.

I don’t understand what’s logically wrong with it and which part?

Coalition w/o Creature/Chemist/Moon/TD? That one?

[Titus]

Could be the resistance comes from town?

Possible but I would expect scum to support my plan although my plan is logically optimal, it provides no short term information

but what if

scum is supporting your plan ¿

- dann

They pretty much aren't. The closest thing to a supporter is Moongrass. That dude's been crickets.

Second, my coalition is not guaranteed to fail. If we suppose you town for sake of argument, only 3 others in the original coalition would need to be scum. It's theoretically possible my coalition wins the game.

It's also an argument I want to close off from scum.

I seriously doubt that’s possible. I just can’t see a world where either RC or Sky are scum here, since I can’t see

both

Chemist/Creature being scum because of the dance pairings. I think one of Chemist/Creature + TD/Moon is my best current guess for the scumteam.

What's to stop your proposed scumteam from killing me and then arguing that I'm correct though? By doing my coalition plan, you protect your townread from that argument and show that the thought is paranoia.

Scum couldn’t kill outside of veto?

But unless we vote a power that contains an NK, they can’t kill. I don’t see why scum kills you at all, since your veto plan went through, so I’m assuming scum was onboard with it.

Also Moon being okay with your plan, supports my 2 scum outside of coalition theory because if he’s scum and the ONLY scum on your preferred wagon, he’d never back it.

Scum cannot kill outside of veto.

I was referring to an NK in the near future. We've done a fail coalition with scum. Scum then kill me. They argue I was right. Create paranoia in a townblock.

My current drunken theory is Creature Chemist and Stargazer scum.

[Titus]

Like there's so much logically wrong with your argument Nancy that tipsy!Titus is shredding it. That's worrying.

I don’t understand what’s logically wrong with it and which part?

Coalition w/o Creature/Chemist/Moon/TD? That one?

Yes. Stargazer or RC or you wind up in that and we cannot box in scum.

[Titus]

Nancy, suppose you are Moongrass scum, how do you break up a large group of the original coalition TRing each other?

[NanceFloor]

Second, if TR or Moon did get shor, coalitioning the leftovers is never a viable plan.

There is no way either one would get shot, because they were the strongest srs. That’s why Moon was onboard with being part of it. He knew he wouldn’t be dying. Now, whether you want to view that as TMI or logic, based on TD/Moon being the strongest consensus srs, it follows in either case.

Iow, either Moon is town (unlikely imo) backing your coalition or 1/2 scums not in failed coalition. If Moon is ONLY scum, he never sheeps your plan.

[NanceFloor]

Could be the resistance comes from town?

Possible but I would expect scum to support my plan although my plan is logically optimal, it provides no short term information

but what if

scum is supporting your plan ¿

- dann

They pretty much aren't. The closest thing to a supporter is Moongrass. That dude's been crickets.

Second, my coalition is not guaranteed to fail. If we suppose you town for sake of argument, only 3 others in the original coalition would need to be scum. It's theoretically possible my coalition wins the game.

It's also an argument I want to close off from scum.

I seriously doubt that’s possible. I just can’t see a world where either RC or Sky are scum here, since I can’t see

both

Chemist/Creature being scum because of the dance pairings. I think one of Chemist/Creature + TD/Moon is my best current guess for the scumteam.

What's to stop your proposed scumteam from killing me and then arguing that I'm correct though? By doing my coalition plan, you protect your townread from that argument and show that the thought is paranoia.

Scum couldn’t kill outside of veto?

But unless we vote a power that contains an NK, they can’t kill. I don’t see why scum kills you at all, since your veto plan went through, so I’m assuming scum was onboard with it.

Also Moon being okay with your plan, supports my 2 scum outside of coalition theory because if he’s scum and the ONLY scum on your preferred wagon, he’d never back it.

Scum cannot kill outside of veto.

I was referring to an NK in the near future. We've done a fail coalition with scum. Scum then kill me. They argue I was right. Create paranoia in a townblock.

My current drunken theory is Creature Chemist and Stargazer scum.

A) I think both Taly and Sky are bleeding obvtown + Sky did this towntell, which she also did in Newsroom but NOT in Skitter’s Coalition/Undertale/Overkill 1.

And with all of those weird Fuscosco/TD/Mbaki associations, plus an extremely unlikely double scum Creature/Chemist pairing, I sincerely doubt all 3 scum are in coalition. I think maximum of 1 and it’s between Chemist/Creature.

My sr on both TD/Moon are way too strong that I’m wrong on both, if either.

[Creature]

I think we follow Titus' plan but try to replace some of them with original coalitioners.

[NanceFloor]

Nancy, suppose you are Moongrass scum, how do you break up a large group of the original coalition TRing each other?

Why does he even need to though? TD/Moon can always blam coalition fail on LHFs Overkill11/Chen or anyone else?

Because 2nd coalition fail only tells you scum on it but not how many.

And Moon was over the top whiteknighting Creature and hard pushing Chemist prior to veto. I will find the quotes.

[Titus]

Second, if TR or Moon did get shor, coalitioning the leftovers is never a viable plan.

There is no way either one would get shot, because they were the strongest srs. That’s why Moon was onboard with being part of it. He knew he wouldn’t be dying. Now, whether you want to view that as TMI or logic, based on TD/Moon being the strongest consensus srs, it follows in either case.

Iow, either Moon is town (unlikely imo) backing your coalition or 1/2 scums not in failed coalition. If Moon is ONLY scum, he never sheeps your plan.

Then explain why Clemency got shot over both Creature and Chemist.

Moon could never be in the coalition because him dying prevents us from confirming or disproving scum outside the first coalition.

Second, TD is the perfect wifom mislynch spot.

I feel so strongly we need to verify that there is or is not scum outside the first coalition that I am willing to cede control over every single fucking choice outside of picking 1 v 4 until only 1 scum remains.

If I am right, we just fucking win.
If I am wrong, scum can't disrupt the townblock. TD and Moon are boxed in and cannot argue all 3 scum were in the original coalition.

[Creature]

Anyone thinks Chemist and I are scum together?

[Titus]

I think we follow Titus' plan but try to replace some of them with original coalitioners.

That's literally the antithesis of my plan.

[Titus]

Anyone thinks Chemist and I are scum together?

I think it's possible.

[Creature]

I think we follow Titus' plan but try to replace some of them with original coalitioners.

That's literally the antithesis of my plan.

Still better than the Sky Chemist Creature team.

[Titus]

I think we follow Titus' plan but try to replace some of them with original coalitioners.

That's literally the antithesis of my plan.

Still better than the Sky Chemist Creature team.

Then prove me wrong and join my coalition vote.

If my team is right, town wins. If not, the theory is garbage. Also, scum cannot use it.

[0verki11]

probably wouldnt mind sheeping RCs coaltion

[Titus]

probably wouldnt mind sheeping RCs coaltion

*pulls hair out*

[NanceFloor]

Spoiler:

Chemist1422, Clemency, Creature, Pink Ball veto should probably swap creature out for another as there are better ways to sort him.

Lynchbait?

Yes. And right now, those three players are in the most voted veto convo right now.

Who's pushing for that, town or scum?

Probably scum 0K is finally being established as likely town. Clemency has had unimpressive votes and was in the failed coalition, Chemist is behaving like coasting scum and was also in the failed coalition. If we can put them in a pool to cull them off then it gives scum less LHF to hide behind.

Take a look at the failed coalition and tell me who's scum if not those two.

Reveal allows an NK. Protect would be better. I would protect Creature. 1 in 4 allows an NK too so I guess Coalition or veto are the best repicks tonight.

I'm never dying btw. I bet it's Creature and Clemency.
PB it doesn't matter because they just leave tmck out and they can fit all the rest of the extra-coalitioners.

Creature is town.

Ok Creature not dying is concerning.

Skygazer, RadiantCowbells, Creature, NanceFloor, Chemist1422.

At least 1 scum in this group.

Player 1	Player 2
RadiantCowbells	0verki11
mbaki	NanceFloor
OkaPoka	BrightEyedFish
Time Devil	themilkcartonkid
Ankamius	Clemency
Creature	Chemist1422
Taly	JohnnyEnglish
chennisden	Titus

Green = confirmed town.
Pink = Coalition 1 leftovers.

I still think creature is town seeing as he's next to Chemist who is the most likely scum.
I hard town read Taly/Sky.
Reveal should be used on Nance or RC later down the track.

I still maintain my MariaR scum read. If I accept RC and Nance as town my PoE would be:

Chemist, MariaR, TimeDevil.

We could probably win the game if we left out MariaR, Chem, TD, 0K, RC. Dreams are free.

Once this coalition is over you'll be free to lynch to your hearts content but for now can we just stick to the bloody plan?

PB died willing to follow Titus' plan we may as well see it through.

Hence why we need to reveal one of you to prevent pushes there.

TD is the most likely to be town in my poe because what sane scumteam pairs a buddy with confirmed town.

Yes. I have talked about that and Occam's razor previously. Hence he is still my PoE pool. However if I'm wrong on any I think TD is most likely.

Sorry, if this is too many quotes, I will try to break it down more. I disagree that Creature not dying over Clemency makes him more likely to be scum over Chemist.

[NanceFloor]

Second, if TR or Moon did get shor, coalitioning the leftovers is never a viable plan.

There is no way either one would get shot, because they were the strongest srs. That’s why Moon was onboard with being part of it. He knew he wouldn’t be dying. Now, whether you want to view that as TMI or logic, based on TD/Moon being the strongest consensus srs, it follows in either case.

Iow, either Moon is town (unlikely imo) backing your coalition or 1/2 scums not in failed coalition. If Moon is ONLY scum, he never sheeps your plan.

Then explain why Clemency got shot over both Creature and Chemist.

Moon could never be in the coalition because him dying prevents us from confirming or disproving scum outside the first coalition.

Second, TD is the perfect wifom mislynch spot.

I feel so strongly we need to verify that there is or is not scum outside the first coalition that I am willing to cede control over every single fucking choice outside of picking 1 v 4 until only 1 scum remains.

If I am right, we just fucking win.
If I am wrong, scum can't disrupt the townblock. TD and Moon are boxed in and cannot argue all 3 scum were in the original coalition.

The only one who seems to be arguing that is you though?

[Titus]

Second, if TR or Moon did get shor, coalitioning the leftovers is never a viable plan.

There is no way either one would get shot, because they were the strongest srs. That’s why Moon was onboard with being part of it. He knew he wouldn’t be dying. Now, whether you want to view that as TMI or logic, based on TD/Moon being the strongest consensus srs, it follows in either case.

Iow, either Moon is town (unlikely imo) backing your coalition or 1/2 scums not in failed coalition. If Moon is ONLY scum, he never sheeps your plan.

Then explain why Clemency got shot over both Creature and Chemist.

Moon could never be in the coalition because him dying prevents us from confirming or disproving scum outside the first coalition.

Second, TD is the perfect wifom mislynch spot.

I feel so strongly we need to verify that there is or is not scum outside the first coalition that I am willing to cede control over every single fucking choice outside of picking 1 v 4 until only 1 scum remains.

If I am right, we just fucking win.
If I am wrong, scum can't disrupt the townblock. TD and Moon are boxed in and cannot argue all 3 scum were in the original coalition.

The only one who seems to be arguing that is you though?

Which is why it's correct.

Scum would join me if I was wrong.

[NanceFloor]

Anyone thinks Chemist and I are scum together?

Since the two of you were paired together in dance, highly unlikely, which is why I don’t understand why Titus thinks 2-3 scum in coalition makes any sense at all. Her Creature/Chemist/Sky POE just sounds completely whacked to me, especially when there’s so many weird Fus/TD/Moon interactions and scummy posts from both but still think TD over Moon or both is the scum outside of coalition. I think Chen if not both and if he’s town, than maybe Overki11?

That’s why I’m pissed about PB not being in the game, because I think a NF/PB/Succinct/RC/Sky/Maria/Titus coalition had an extremely high chance of succeeding.

However Chen voting for NF/Succinct/RC/Sky/Maria/Titus/Chenn coalition is a very good look. I’m trying to decide if NF/Succinct/RC/Sky/Maria/Titus/Overkill11 is better though?

It’s that last slot I’m the most iffy on.

[NanceFloor]

Second, if TR or Moon did get shor, coalitioning the leftovers is never a viable plan.

There is no way either one would get shot, because they were the strongest srs. That’s why Moon was onboard with being part of it. He knew he wouldn’t be dying. Now, whether you want to view that as TMI or logic, based on TD/Moon being the strongest consensus srs, it follows in either case.

Iow, either Moon is town (unlikely imo) backing your coalition or 1/2 scums not in failed coalition. If Moon is ONLY scum, he never sheeps your plan.

Then explain why Clemency got shot over both Creature and Chemist.

Moon could never be in the coalition because him dying prevents us from confirming or disproving scum outside the first coalition.

Second, TD is the perfect wifom mislynch spot.

I feel so strongly we need to verify that there is or is not scum outside the first coalition that I am willing to cede control over every single fucking choice outside of picking 1 v 4 until only 1 scum remains.

If I am right, we just fucking win.
If I am wrong, scum can't disrupt the townblock. TD and Moon are boxed in and cannot argue all 3 scum were in the original coalition.

The only one who seems to be arguing that is you though?

Which is why it's correct.

Scum would join me if I was wrong.

There is no freaking way Creature/Chemist/Sky are the scumteam. Why then is confitown Succinct preferring to sheep blind RC coalition over yours then?

[Titus]

Second, if TR or Moon did get shor, coalitioning the leftovers is never a viable plan.

There is no way either one would get shot, because they were the strongest srs. That’s why Moon was onboard with being part of it. He knew he wouldn’t be dying. Now, whether you want to view that as TMI or logic, based on TD/Moon being the strongest consensus srs, it follows in either case.

Iow, either Moon is town (unlikely imo) backing your coalition or 1/2 scums not in failed coalition. If Moon is ONLY scum, he never sheeps your plan.

Then explain why Clemency got shot over both Creature and Chemist.

Moon could never be in the coalition because him dying prevents us from confirming or disproving scum outside the first coalition.

Second, TD is the perfect wifom mislynch spot.

I feel so strongly we need to verify that there is or is not scum outside the first coalition that I am willing to cede control over every single fucking choice outside of picking 1 v 4 until only 1 scum remains.

If I am right, we just fucking win.
If I am wrong, scum can't disrupt the townblock. TD and Moon are boxed in and cannot argue all 3 scum were in the original coalition.

The only one who seems to be arguing that is you though?

Which is why it's correct.

Scum would join me if I was wrong.

There is no freaking way Creature/Chemist/Sky are the scumteam. Why then is confitown Succinct preferring to sheep blind RC coalition over yours then?

Conftown does not mean confright? Agency capture is also a thing.