Newbie 1934: Tundra (Game Over)

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m the towniest slot in the game

[Flavor Leaf]

You’ve just been trying to twist words here and there to make that not the case.

[Irrelephant11]

You’re physically doing stuff that is townie, yes, but I don’t believe you are doing said townie things from a town mindset.

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[Irrelephant11]

You’ve just been trying to twist words here and there to make that not the case.

Answer this honestly: do you think Raya’s slot HAS DONE anything towny this game

[Flavor Leaf]

That’s literally what scum do. It’s the chain connection of all said things.

Scum actively try to be townie, so people pushing hard mislynch bait stuff is weak.

[Irrelephant11]

If towniness is a scumtell you can’t play mafia

Scum try to be the towniest. But being scum is harder, and being informed and lying about is harder, and those are how you catch scum. Your case on me is that each of the things I’ve done to make this list sortable are scummy because scum want to look towny so of course they’ll do things to make this list sortable - it’s fake because it has to be because you say so

Case me again so I can respond to any real points. I’m town and I think you’d see it if you looked with clear eyes

[Voted]

VOTE: Irrelephant

[Flavor Leaf]

You’ve just been trying to twist words here and there to make that not the case.

Answer this honestly: do you think Raya’s slot HAS DONE anything towny this game

Nave early wagon generally implies to me that the slot is town, mixed in with the resistance I’m getting from going against it when I was pushing Teacher

Alternatively, scum is happy that I’m pushing you 2, and doesn’t care where the lynch ends up, which also implies Raya slot townie.

I don’t need actions done from that slot to be able to read it.

Regardless, this style of play will put scum after a flip even if you both are town, and Raya slot is town.

I’ll likely be killed due to either them trying to incriminate one of yous, or yous taking pressure off yourselves by killing me and choosing to fight with the “why’d we kill him? That incriminates.”

And I have literally successfully town read people because of how scummy they were recently, and have caught people as scum because I town read them, so if that’s where your limits in mafia can comprehend, so be it, but I’ve moved past that limitation.

[Irrelephant11]

The reason I’m not pushing you as scum is you have been incredibly towny
I’m not even arguing that. You’ve done so many towny things this game but the longer you insist on believing unlikely scenarios over likely scenarios the less strong I hold to those towny moments because I know you can powerscum with the actual best of them

Pedit: if I get lynched always always always lynch on my wagon

[Ausuka]

Votecount 1.11

Irrelephant11 (2) - Flavor Leaf, Voted
Raya36 (2) - Cinnamon, Irrelephant11
Baezu (1) - Eggs
Cinnamon (1) - Raya36
teacher (1) - Baezu

Not Voting (2) - Menalque, teacher

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2019-06-05 15:31:32).

[Flavor Leaf]

That’s also a blanket statement.

I personally find playing scum easier than playing town.

[Irrelephant11]

VOTE: Irrelephant

I missed it. Why do you scumread me?

[Flavor Leaf]

if I get lynched always always always lynch on my wagon

This was always the case, even with Teacher, with a green flip.

[Irrelephant11]

Im making my wife mad because I’ve been staring at my phone for too long on vacation but this wagon is F’ing crap and it’s pissing me off
If Raya isnt scum Cinnamon probably is for always sheeping the scumread most strongly held by either of me/Flavor

[Irrelephant11]

Voted could be a Raya partner in retrospect, he was first on the wagon but might not have expected the wagon to build to L-1 and is using FL’s tunnel as his excuse to get off it

[Pine]

Hello folks, I'm in for Raya at dear Ausuka's request. For those of you who know me, it's worth saying that given that it's a Newbie game, the only game I'm active in, and only 27 pages long, my usual I-don't-read-old-posts replacement doctrine is suspended. I'll start from the top and produce a stream-of-consciousness analysis over the course of this evening.

[Pine]

UNVOTE: jic

[Cinnamon]

Im making my wife mad because I’ve been staring at my phone for too long on vacation but this wagon is F’ing crap and it’s pissing me off
If Raya isnt scum Cinnamon probably is for always sheeping the scumread most strongly held by either of me/Flavor

The tone of what you are saying makes me want to believe that you're town but when you say stuff like this that just isn't true at all I have trouble doing so. The only times you could even think I was sheeping somebody else's read was on Voted earlier and maybe you now although the arguments that I brought were outside of Flavor's. I haven't been sheeping at all this game and I'm not sure how you come to that conclusion.

[Cinnamon]

I really don't think this argument will bear much more fruit, I think there's a number of players who have been able to fly under the radar recently and unlike Flavor I have trouble reading that as townie. I would love to hear opinions on this whole discussion from players like Voted, Eggs, etc.

[Voted]

Pine, you around?

[Pine]

Yes, but I'm not particularly susceptible to being lobbied until I have a grasp on the situation. You're new, so I'll give you a pass on what I would ordinarily label a suspicious attempt to shape the narrative.

[Cinnamon]

VOTE: Irrelephant

[Voted]

VOTE: Pine

L-1

Your slot soft claimed jailkeeper. Do you have samething to add?

[Pine]

Im making my wife mad because I’ve been staring at my phone for too long on vacation but this wagon is F’ing crap and it’s pissing me off
If Raya isnt scum Cinnamon probably is for always sheeping the scumread most strongly held by either of me/Flavor

That said, holy shit this post.

The wife thing (while probably legit) is classic appeal to emotion.

Then the waffling and keeping options open for whomever is weakest, and for a really shite reason. Oh gee willikers, a newish player is sheeping experienced players? How perfectly ordinary. Your job as a Town IC/SE would be to correct/explain/teach why that's not good play, not eviscerate them for it. Will definitely be reading Irrelephant with a critical eye.

[Pine]

VOTE: Pine

L-1

Your slot soft claimed jailkeeper. Do you have samething to add?

I don't have anything to add until I'm prepared to. Putting someone who's been in the game a whopping half an hour at L-1, then trying to force a PR claim? Not a great plan. Stand down, and when I'm ready I'll share any information I think is prudent.