Newbie 1934: Tundra (Game Over)

[Cinnamon]

I'm trying to look through the game for possible partners for Pine other than Flavor and Baezu and I'm finding it difficult. Irrelephant seems really unlikely given their interaction (specifically the weird one with Raya), Voted seems unlikely with their interaction with Pine, Eggs seemed possible at first but then he really tried to get the Pine lynch back on track so I think that's unlikely as well, teacher maybe but they did bring attention to the slot in things like 200 and they hammered so I see Baezu and Flavor as much more likely possibilities.

[Flavor Leaf]

Well, yeah. I’m incriminated hard.

I’m VT. I was wrong. Yeah.

Menalque was the main person other than Baezu who was taking what I had to say into consideration, so yeah, that makes sense.

[Baezu]

Fwiw I still believe you.

Not sure who pines partner is but I have a feeling they’ll be pushing your lynch hard today

[Irrelephant11]

Lol i was shocked when I got a PM about this game i completely forgot it existed because it felt like we won already
Still leaning Baezu but maybe I’ll do some VCA later and see if it shows something new

[teacher]

Check out flavors early claim. My gosh that screams scum to me.

VOTE: Flavor

[Irrelephant11]

What “early claim”?

[Eggs]

I think we got a decent Poe here. Irrelephant was a hard bus so probably not, I would have been off pine if teacher hadn't persuaded me so probably not him, I don't like voted for scum partner because I haven't looked but everyone seems to be saying it. We can lynch Baezu, FL and cinnamon in any order, probably cinnamon last though (or me instead fypov) and I'd be confident of finding the partner.

FL was hard distracting yesterday so that's my vote but I think we have this regardless.

Will look properly tomorrow when I'm not drunk.

If Baezu flips scum I am going to be sad about mechanical scumreading being a thing.

On second thoughts my god 877 is proper setting up a Baezu win if FL flips green, I'm actually reconsidering first vote.

[Eggs]

What “early claim”?

The one where he claims vt

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t think Pine was lying when he said his partner was bussing, but I think he said it thinking we would think there wasn’t.

I admit, I was incorrect. I have a tendency to play devil’s advocate.

Jazz Mafia just ended, large normal, we went 4 consecutive days lynching mafia, zero mislynches.

I correctly scum read 3/4 scum members real early on, but then people start pushing, and I have a tendency to play devil’s advocate even against scum reads of mine when people start pushing.

Something was off about the wagon to me, so I believe there was a bus, which is why it wasn’t getting hammered earlier.

I still am actually leaning Teacher...? I think, but yeah.

I understand the position I’m in. Menalque dying was a chop at my support as well, so scum expect me to get lynched today.

It is what it is.

Hopefully someone investigated me.

[Eggs]

Well, yeah. I’m incriminated hard.

I’m VT. I was wrong. Yeah.

Menalque was the main person other than Baezu who was taking what I had to say into consideration, so yeah, that makes sense.

Do you think townreading you is tmi at this point or are you redeemable?

[Flavor Leaf]

After I flip, please do not flip Baezu.

[Flavor Leaf]

Well, yeah. I’m incriminated hard.

I’m VT. I was wrong. Yeah.

Menalque was the main person other than Baezu who was taking what I had to say into consideration, so yeah, that makes sense.

Do you think townreading you is tmi at this point or are you redeemable?

It’s not TMI. Baezu has a history of correctly reading me as town even when I have a lot of pressure on me.

She’s done it almost every single time accurately.

[Flavor Leaf]

When I’m scum, my scum partner typically doesn’t ever get lynched.

If I was scum with any of them, I’d have been coaching, and at the very least, have them try to claim a PR to out a PR.

Menalque is also an extremely suboptimal kill from scumMe, even for the WIFOM potential.

I am town being set up, which is why I believe that scum is still Teacher.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Eggs - that lynch order by you allows scumTeacher to win this. I’m actually 95% sure that Teacher is still scum.

@Investigative role or potential JK - if you targeted me last night, you need to claim because that clears me.

Actually i think we should just claim anyways, because we get 2 inno’s and if we have a JK, we can get more inno’s every night.

[Flavor Leaf]

If nothing clears me, then I’ll go down today. That’s fine.

But do not let Teacher end game.

[Flavor Leaf]

Fwiw I still believe you.

Not sure who pines partner is but I have a feeling they’ll be pushing your lynch hard today

Did you clear me Baezu, or are you just reading me?

[Cinnamon]

I'm kind of inclined to think Flavor is townie here. However, if we were to do a mass claim, assuming there's one investigative with an inno (otherwise they would've claimed already) and the mafia has a roleblocker we will only have 3 confirmed towns for the rest of the game, so we aren't guaranteed victory. Unless the inno is on Flavor it may not be best to claim atm.

[Cinnamon]

There's also the world where there's only one PR and then we'd be left with two innos for the game

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm kind of inclined to think Flavor is townie here. However, if we were to do a mass claim, assuming there's one investigative with an inno (otherwise they would've claimed already) and the mafia has a roleblocker we will only have 3 confirmed towns for the rest of the game, so we aren't guaranteed victory. Unless the inno is on Flavor it may not be best to claim atm.

I still think it’s fine.

Personally, I’d like to know as much as I can, especially if I’m not the inno, because I could give my final thoughts and make a plan prior.

[Cinnamon]

A tracker or Neapolitan with a confirmed VT should absolutely claim here, it's a guaranteed win a lot of the time and a likely win the rest

[Flavor Leaf]

There's also the world where there's only one PR and then we'd be left with two innos for the game

To be fair, there’s 7 players left, 2 conf townies, 4 unconf townies, 1 scum.

That’s still decent odds, and that’s literally the bare minimum.

There’s a chance we have 3 inno’s and the ability to inno people later or force a No Kill situation.

The rewards are far greater than any risk.

[Flavor Leaf]

Oh, right.

Tracker also gets confirmed Inno/guilties.

Tracker who tracked someone who didn’t target the night kill should also claim that, because that confirms Inno’s.

[Flavor Leaf]

I can also tell you right now that Cinnamon/Baezu are town unless they’re being next level, which I don’t think they are.

Teacher is scum 9/10 times here. I feel like I was really solidly setup, which in actuality isn’t a solid setup because I’m the type who gets out of hard guilties in closed setups, so I’d never get setup like that.

[Cinnamon]

For the record, I think Flavor probably has to die today if there isn't an inno, even though I think he's acting townie. I look way more at voting patterns and actions than reads based on tone and Flavor's actions yesterday just make too much sense as mafia.

[Eggs]

I would hope investigative went for a clear on some midrange slot for endgame poe and to avoid having to reveal on the inevitable FL push.