Mini 2074: Madness at Port Arthur (Game Over)

[Blake Belladonna]

We are a disloyal doctor.

VOTE: Fuscezu
I believe this to be a 100% truthful claim; I believe it to be a scum role.
Town has zero use of a disloyal doctor.

Loyal

doctor's vast utility, but not disloyal.

I believe it's third party.

[Succinct]

We could also not try to solve the entire setup today and rely on raw reads strength instead.

My reads were tris and Fuscezu as most likely scum aside from skitter.

Claims don't change this.
RCE's claim looks town; his result's not something he'd easily be able to fake and he genuinely believed skitter was caught scum in a way hard to fake as scum.
Irrelephant is cop cleared.
ClearlyClarity and ceejay cross-clear each other.
I am town.

That leaves {Persivul, Blake, Fuscezu}.

I lack a read on Persivul, I'll admit. But I scumread Blake/Fuscezu.

[Succinct]

I guess it can just be Succinct/Blake

Sure. Help me bus Blake then. (Refer to my vote.)

[Blake Belladonna]

Sadly, this looks like town Succinct.

[Succinct]

it heavily implies a second 3p

Or it implies you forgot to change your claim from Disloyal to Loyal.

[Fuscosco]

Then who are you suggesting.

[Fuscosco]

it heavily implies a second 3p

Or it implies you forgot to change your claim from Disloyal to Loyal.

Or it implies I claimed a useless role under no pressure and dripfed it to catch reactions?

[Blake Belladonna]

Then who are you suggesting.

I'm town.
insomnia is town.
ceejayvinoya and ClearlyClarity are town via roles.
Fuscezu is probably third party, but otherwise town.
Irrelephant11 is cop cleared.
Succinct is town via personality tell.

That literally leaves RCEnigma and Persivul.

If that isn't the scumteam, then we have one of the following situations.

1. Irrelephant11 is not cop cleared and is scum. This would mean Chara screwed up by heavily implying Irrelephant11 was cop cleared.
2. The jailkeeper claims don't actually clear each other and one of them is scum.
3. I'm wrong on one of my other town reads. I don't currently believe this to be the case.
4. There is only one scum alive.

[Fuscosco]

Actually, a 10:2:1 game makes sense

[Fuscosco]

I meant to suggest this, but got caught up elsewhere

[Blake Belladonna]

Well, there you go.

That would explain why Persivul is the only slot I got a hard scumread on all game.

[Fuscosco]

Were talking about 3 kills a day minus the one from the delay in poisoner

[Succinct]

Succinct needs to start talking.

Succinct is busy and as I'm speaking I'm multitasking. This game's not my priority right now.

[Blake Belladonna]

Honestly, though.

I will go into it more tomorrow. I have a day off.

[Succinct]

We are a disloyal doctor.

VOTE: Fuscezu
I believe this to be a 100% truthful claim; I believe it to be a scum role.
Town has zero use of a disloyal doctor.

Loyal

doctor's vast utility, but not disloyal.

I believe it's third party.

I don't buy we have two 3ps in this game; I don't buy Fuscezu's a counter to an already-nerfed sk.

[Fuscosco]

Do you think we protect from poison?
Do we prot when they are targeted or when they should die?

[Fuscosco]

Maf disloyal doc in a game with a poisoner and a lylo vengeful is just as net neutral

Im happy on succinct out of spite

[Fuscosco]

In fact, Im happier here because theyve got such a good grasp on mechanics they'd thought of this I feel.

[funkybike1]

If only you would have as good a grasp on using the right account as a hydra.

VOTE COUNT

5 of 9 votes are required to lynch.

Succinct (4):

Irrelephant11, insomnia, Fuscezu, RCEnigma

Persivul (1):

Blake Belladonna

Fuscezu (1):

Succinct

Not Voting (3):

Persivul, ceejayvinoya, ClearlyClarity

Deadline is in (expired on 2019-06-16 12:00:00)

[Irrelephant11]

UNVOTE:
Not in a rush

[ceejayvinoya]

VOTE: Succinct

Keeping the pressure

[RCEnigma]

I really want to just read succinct town. There isn't really any reason for him to know I'd suspect mirror or be familiar with the role and Scum!Succinct could just let town think a redirector is loose. And even as a scum role it's really only there for the cop, doesn't really affect motion detector much. But I guess it doesn't really matter.

[Blake Belladonna]

However, I can say confidently that every reason I've seen to townread Persivul is not town indicative. It's very doable to fake an attack on insomnia and to go along with an inno soft.

From an objective point of view, you're more likely to see this as town. However, being subjected to a type of push that I've encountered before it makes me more likely to believe the people that push me are more likely to be town. I am obvious town as town and that's why scum often times just avoid pushing me. That's why I think Persivul, someone that doesn't post much anyway, won't do that as scum.

While I respect the veterans and what not, gaslighting Irrelephant won't do anyone better. Even good players can have bad reads. I just think lynching Succint pegs us a scum here and I think the case on Persivul is a stretch. Meta can be manipulated easily. I find Persivul a hard person to read and I have respect for him, which is why I don't want to lynch him.

I believe he should've been the N0 check like 10/10 times here.

This case is fully dependent on whether Persivul has enough experience with you to know for a fact that this is true. Barring this, there's a point to be made that Persivul didn't go very far to push this read through. If you go back and look, his push ran out of gas almost immediately when you pushed back on him. He looked to deflect the push, then ignored it until you pushed the issue, and finally asked you a disengaging question before hopping off of you entirely.

If you really pay attention to what Persivul did on his push, it's not a point that he actually pushed you. His initial point was forced, and his response betrayed that there was no actual oomph behind it in the first place. It was a fake push.

[Blake Belladonna]

I've also admitted that I'm not being transparent with my thought processes. Yet, I'm 2 for 2 on lynches. Again, I haven't felt the need to obvtown, as I can self govern, and up until today I thought Irrel was a cop with an inno on me.

Firstly, if you believe there is a cop in the game with an innocent result on you, wouldn't your first instinct be to protect the cop from nightkills over the governor?

People understand that a governor who can self-target is highly likely to be town.

Secondly, I'm going to state for the record that I will only buy the claim when it is confirmed. I still don't buy that someone who believes there is a cop in the game as a significantly lower utility role would purposely play as reserved as you have, and your current push that the self-use governor makes you town because you've claimed it while still looking to primarily deflect suspicion on you rather than try to solve the game is very strongly indicative of a scum mindset over a town mindset.

Nope. Go ahead and lynch me. That will be good for me personally, as it will prove my claim. From a scum perspective, lynching me today:

- makes me lynchable tomorrow, as I'm 1X. So, a NK doesn't need to be wasted on a weak utility town role
- it probably puts the game in evens, which generally sucks for town

Thirdly, you are not looking to sort me with this post. You are looking for reasons that town shouldn't lynch you despite the fact that you're willing to be lynched multiple times now.

There is town motivation to test your claim today, because the lynchpool is condensed enough that we can afford to take the risk now instead of later as we approach LyLo. You aren't blatantly town enough to where your claim can be blindly trusted, so it is objectively optimal to force you into a position where you can be lynched if it is required to. Scum will never be forced to nightkill you because there are enough town slots in this game to warrant the kill over you.

[Blake Belladonna]

He hasn't been sorting.
he hasn't been looking to lynch scum.
There's no ferver behind his solving, like he doesn't even care.

I've lynched two scum.

I'm not being transparent with my thought processes, but at the end of the day, my vote is in the right place. The results speak for themselves.

This is a pure bullshit argument.

One of these 'scum' lynches was a third party that scum are also unaware of.
The other of these scum lynches was on a slot that was a sinking ship. Your interactions with that slot were not good, and you were even soft-defending them while the wagon was ongoing up until you were expected to join the wagon. Even the way you joined it was overexplained. I can easily see this as a bus vote.