Open 756: Hope Plus One (Day 5)

[Creature]

Oh man

[Creature]

town!Pops is more likely then town!Creature

Are you kidding?

[Creature]

I have an innocent on Icon, Eyes, and Creature, though.

We're following this btw.

I am willing to not ever reconsider Iconeum because I think that's what Shoshin deserves atleast.

[Creature]

Also it's gonna suck less if one of us turns to be scum.

But it's really gonna suck if you decide to lynch one of us, we flip town and we lose the game that is practically won.

[Creature]

It can only be Godmid or popsofctown.

[Creature]

I'm having a hard time picking up anything to scumread RC

doesn't mean a townread.

Also usually town does lot of scummy things but also oozes town elsewhere. So that should be a red flag.

[Creature]

If Buki later does something that makes her effectively unlynchable, there isn't any point in me keeping her as a suspect and it makes my job easier if I can eliminate a player from the PoE.

You can also eliminate me from the PoE by trusting Shoshin who sacrificed herself and was locktowning me along Iconeum.

[Creature]

-After reading through the thread, I think that I am willing to risk the game on town!RC

And this is how you lose a game.

[Creature]

-After reading through the thread, I think that I am willing to risk the game on town!RC
-You all seem willing to risk the game on town!Buki and I trust your guyses judgement.

Yeh, we have fundamented reads and gone through them a lot. I think you just have read the thread but that's not enough.

[Creature]

:claps:
FMPOV if it's not you it's Creature.

Yep yep yep

wtf Emperor

[Creature]

Ugh, okay, whatever, RC doesn't look bad on a skim read.

[Creature]

A lynch has occurred.

Votecount 4.1

Egix96 (4)

- popsofctown, Emperor flippyNips, Eyes without a face, Iconeum

Creature (1)

- Egix96

Not Voting (2) - Creature, Clemency

Spoiler: Flip

Welcome,

Egix96

. You are a

Mafia Goon

, along with your partners,

[redacted]

and

[redacted]

.

Abilities

• Factional communication: During the night phase you may talk with your partners here: [redacted].
  
• Factional kill: Each night phase, one of you or your partners may perform the factional kill.

Win Condition

• You win when all members of the town have been eliminated or nothing can prevent this from occurring.

The game thread is here. Good luck and have fun!

[/spoiler][/quote]

Eyes without a face has died Night 4.

Spoiler: Flip

Welcome,

Eyes without a face

, you are a

Vanilla Townie

.

Abilities

• Your weapon is your vote, you have no night actions.

Win Condition

• You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here. Good luck and have fun!

[/spoiler][/quote]
This is strange though.

[Creature]

Clemency had siteflaked around the night time and idk how he could've killed Eyes unless it was pre-set before night.

[Creature]

I know this is cheating, but it's not something I can easily ignore.

[Godmid]

1) I respect Shoshin, but 2971 clearly wasn't based off of night actions and I really don't follow at all how that is supposed to clear you.
2) Based off of the game state that I am subbing into, the game hinges on identifying the scum as you or Pops and I don't think either of you are obvious scum. Implying that this game should be a lock town win if not for me messing it up is unfair and disingenuous.
3) I am not making this descision by myself. If Emperor (or Ico if he comes back) have a strong preference for town!you over town!pops, I am completely willing to reconsider my position.
4) My townread on RC isn't just about not finding anything to scum read him on.

[Godmid]

I think you just have read the thread but that's not enough.

Okay.

[Creature]

1) I respect Shoshin, but 2971 clearly wasn't based off of night actions and I really don't follow at all how that is supposed to clear you.

It's not supposed to be a mechanical clear, but it's supposed to be a "trust me".

Also, Shoshin is pretty good, so trusting her at Iconeum and me being town, even if that wasn't a real result, is reasonable.

[popsofctown]

Eyes, Ico and I are all town and we're not questioning that. I trust Shoshin here.

Shoshin doesn't get that convicted I am town when I'm scum.

I have an innocent on Icon, Eyes, and Creature, though.

We're following this btw.

I am willing to not ever reconsider Iconeum because I think that's what Shoshin deserves atleast.

If Buki later does something that makes her effectively unlynchable, there isn't any point in me keeping her as a suspect and it makes my job easier if I can eliminate a player from the PoE.

You can also eliminate me from the PoE by trusting Shoshin who sacrificed herself and was locktowning me along Iconeum.

1) I respect Shoshin, but 2971 clearly wasn't based off of night actions and I really don't follow at all how that is supposed to clear you.

It's not supposed to be a mechanical clear, but it's supposed to be a "trust me".

Also, Shoshin is pretty good, so trusting her at Iconeum and me being town, even if that wasn't a real result, is reasonable.

Why do you keep this up? Why do you keep harping on this on and on?
No player is perfect at mafia. Shoshin is at least bad enough at mafia to participate in a mislynch d2. Her read accuracy wasn't really my focus yesterday, but I did not discover her being some king of godlike glorksarian2 alignment sifter, just a player like everyone else.
Asking people to just stop forming opinions and replace their opinions with stronger players' is asinine. I should clarify that even for Buki's slot I don't want Godmid to do that, I only meant to point out to him the number of votes needed for a democratic lynch on Buki slot isn't available anyway.
You seem more and more like you're trying to vindicate a misread from Shoshin and ride it to endgame rather than legimately having a concern that discarding any of Shoshin's high confidence reads would harm our winrate.

Clemency did have logins on site after he flaked so he could have sent in a night action. I checked because I was curious whether the game he was supposed to mod would fire or get pulled from the queue. Whether he would send in a night action after he stopped making public facing posts is murky, it does seem to have some reduced likelihood. So, I guess thanks for the angleshooty help, VOTE: Creature

[popsofctown]

"her read accuracy wasn't really my focus yesterday when a did a meta dive on her" ebwop

[Creature]

Shoshin is at least bad enough at mafia to participate in a mislynch d2.

There's a big difference between misscumreading someone and mistownreading someone.

Misscumreading happens often, mistownreading not as often (unless you try to townread everyone).

Also, Shoshin really seemed willing to bet the game on Iconeum and me being town and she's usually a good player, so gotta take that into consideration.

[Creature]

Asking people to just stop forming opinions and replace their opinions with stronger players' is asinine.

Yeh man, but my opinion tells me to sheep Shoshin's opinion and my opinion also tells me we should follow Shoshin.

Like, we just outed her as the cop to lynch Titus and Egix. We should atleast credit her reads.

[Creature]

You seem more and more like you're trying to vindicate a misread from Shoshin and ride it to endgame rather than legimately having a concern that discarding any of Shoshin's high confidence reads would harm our winrate.

I don't know what you're trying to say.

Obviously I'd be pretty insistent on locktowning Emperor, Icon and me because that'd win us the game.

Also it annoys me that I scumread your slot now but there seems to have players who have barely read anything willing to bet the game on RC being town.

[Creature]

Clemency did have logins on site after he flaked so he could have sent in a night action.

Day 28? Day 29? Day 30?

[Creature]

So, I guess thanks for the angleshooty help

Oh right, I'm your most viable 1v1 now.

[Creature]

VOTE: pops