Open 756: Hope Plus One (Day 5)

[Creature]

Mod

We need deadline extensions because Iconeum was fucking V/LA and that'd be unfair for town if the deadline was kept the same.

[popsofctown]

Mistownreading someone is rare because most players are town, so a townread with no validity to its basis has a strong chance to be correct anyway. I can forecast whether there will be an earthquake tomorrow with 99% forecasting accuracy too. That doesn't mean optimistic-pops-earthquake-forecasts have inherent value.

[Iconeum]

Still on vacation here

What's up

Shall we kill pops?

[Iconeum]

Oh right this is the game where cop sowed distrust everywhere

I cached up the last 3 pages

So godmid or pops eats rope today right?
What's the vote count at?

[Godmid]

I could reply some more to Creature, but ultimately, if Ico is convinced beyond reasonable doubt that Creature is town and Creature is convinced beyond reasonable doubt that Ico is town, my input really isn't needed.

[Iconeum]

Well that's the problem this game. There is a cop clear on creature

Or is there?

[Godmid]

Err no

[Godmid]

My understanding is that the cop checked Egix N1 and Titus N2 and got red checks on both of them.

[Godmid]

Anyway, a deadline extension is going to be needed, especially since the plot has just thickened.

[Emperor flippyNips]

:claps:
FMPOV if it's not you it's Creature.

Yep yep yep

wtf Emperor

I actually didn’t see that shoshin cleared you so I take what I said back

[popsofctown]

Shoshin did not cop clear creature. She claimed 3 investigations in 2 nights as clears which is a troll.

Shoshin cleared creature as a read. She probably had no night results besides Titus, it is hard to tell since she lied about her results (multiple times). But if she had an actual mechanical clear it was probably Iconeum because after D1 that was an omgus slot.

[Emperor flippyNips]

Ahh right. So shit. I thought this was going to be easy. (A mistake on my part)
I need to do some ISO dives BRB

[Godmid]

Can someone walk me through how it makes sense for Shoshin's cop results to be anything other then what she claimed in her initial reveal in 2710? 2971 was clearly not serious.

[Creature]

I think her results were Eyes town N1 and Titus scum N2.

[Creature]

She already got pretty mad when we forced her to "out". Lynching inside the three players list she basically told to never lynch will make things even worse.

[Godmid]

I think her results were Eyes town N1 and Titus scum N2.

Go on.

[popsofctown]

I think her results were Eyes town N1 and Titus scum N2.

Yeah this is one of the more likely cases.

She had the fewest reasoning based reasons for townreading Eyes and she hard railed against Titus D3.

[popsofctown]

Creature idk why you are playing to the win condition "make Shoshin happy" instead of town wins when all mafia are dead but you're not going to convince the town to play to that win condition.

[Creature]

idk why you are playing to the win condition "make Shoshin happy"

because we'd only have to worry about Godmid and you and we have enough lynches to clear that up.

[Creature]

Also you seem to be working the most towards opening an extra mislynch you need to win the game.

[Creature]

I'd say if I am lynched today you and only you should go down tomorrow, but if town isn't willing to listen to Shoshin post mortem, I doubt town will listen to me post mortem.

[Godmid]

So to go over why I thought RC was likely town, the core reason is that RC seemed to be heavily encouraging the cop onto either check himself or Egix D1 and I did not think that it was likely that if he was mafia, he would be actively attempting to guide the cop towards a red check, especially since the third mafia member was hard lurking and he was pushing for this before Baezu did her soft claim. A cop with a red check D2 with both doctors still alive would have likely lead to a very dicey situation.

I am not confident enough in my own reads that I would be unwilling to change my opinions based off of the opinions of other players since I am just a very late replacement who hasn't had nearly as much time to interact with the thread. However, Emperor hasn't given much indication of TRing you over Pops, and I'm not sure where Ico stands atm since his earlier heavy town lean seems to have been based off of misreading the situation.

It might also be helpful if you try to point to the exact reasons why you should be getting townread over RC/Pops, beyond arguing "Shoshin was townreading me, therefore, everyone should be townreading me".

[Emperor flippyNips]

I think godmid should be the lynch today. Then creature tomorrow if we don’t win today.
Icon?
Pops?
Or should we flip that?

[popsofctown]

I'm fine with that.

[Godmid]

I want to hear from Creature, then I'll post my final thoughts, then I'm fine moving on with the game.