Mini Normal 2080 ft. My Cats [Game Over]

[ofrhz]

VOTE COUNT 1.14

teacher (4):

Cinnamon, Saladman27, nomnomnom, Nero Cain

EvilDeanius (3):

Detective Pikachu, skitter30, u r a person 2

Vorkuta (2):

Dunnstral, teacher

Detective Pikachu (1):

NerfedBuJ

Flubbernugget (1):

Vorkuta

Not Voting (2):

EvilDeanius, Flubbernugget

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2019-06-22 09:30:00)

Game Notes:

- skitter30 v/la Fridays and Saturdays

Flavor:

Spoiler:

[Flubbernugget]

Wooooow
Skitter's entrance has turned this game into "let's go sheep skitter"

Wagon speed onto vorkuta at around this point didnt feel right

[teacher]

Too fast or stalling?

[Saladman27]

I know everybody has forgotten page 3 by now but why was cinnamon discussing their modifiers?????

WOOOOOOOOOOW

Flubber, please reread the game, even your drunk posts.

I'm not following your issue here.

The minute cinn said "I'm a miller and something else" the only focus should have been on the miller claim

I think the issue was that we already solved the miller case...

[nomnomnom]

Page 12 ego game solve for the post-game brag:

Town: nomnom, cinnamon, skitter, dunn, nero cain, evil D, flubber, vork

Leftovers: urap, saladman, teacher, Pikachu

VOTE: Pikachu

how is skitter in your town pool by the way

If one of buj and skitter flip scum I'd push on this as implicating the other

I'm not sure I follow

[Flubbernugget]

Too fast or stalling?

Fast

[Vorkuta]

The minute cinn said "I'm a miller and something else" the only focus should have been on the miller claim

*throws hands up in defeat*

Like no.
We're out of VCA, we have a ton of analysis, and it's extremely anti-town to just focus and give attention to one slot and one slot alone during ALLLL of D1.
Like ok- we lynch the miller claim D1 WITHOUT any discussion and then what?

D2 we're dry. No associatives, no info, no other interactions to analyze so that's it.

The way the discussion has led us in circles and explored other potential groupings is extremely important

[Cinnamon]

Spoiler:

that the over-justification for your vote was a complete contradiction of your usual demeanor

Literally anyone can tell you that every time I vote someone or something I can TELL YOU exactly why I'm voting for that player.
Sure the reasons can be shitty (I sheep, or hopping on this wagon, or 'beetlejuicing'), but in no way is this a contradiction from my 'usual demeanor'

absolutely a scumtell as far as I am concerned

Again- do you think I'm that bad enough to "ridiculously slip up like this" on D1?
Those were my meta arguments; now for the logic bit

You haven't shown me how I'm reaching (by explaining what my flaws are in my urap2's case)
You have yet to show me how a contradiction in my words implies that I'm scum. "absolutely a scumtell" is BS
You're just interested in just trying to catch me on a slip- maybe because you're a reaction-testy player (also a playstyle I don't like),

And of course you'll catch me slipping up: after all you scum read me, so every word I write is a scum tell because of course it is

/s

Come up with real arguments

I find it pretty hypocritical you're saying this when you posted this earlier:

Spoiler:

My reason for saying that was actually more of an appeal to mechanics rather than the subconscious

o_0
"LAIMST, I have this role that I don't know what to do with, so I'm hoping EVERYBODY SEES how hard I'm trying to reach

my

town!winconf with this role!!!"

I can certainly see your point.

Boom.
In no universe does town ever agree with me here.
You are doing everything you can to appease the red giant and get me off your case at any cost.

Nuke

Mic Drop

However, I don't really find that as scummy, it just seems like you're generally stubborn player. I don't think mafia just makes such blatantly contradictory, aggressive statements that are guaranteed to draw a wagon at some point so that this makes you a townlean for now.

[Cinnamon]

Actually add BuJ to my townreads too. That was the slot who put words to what I thought urap and I were already doing in response to the cinnamon push. I also like many of the other posts.

Can you help me find town here because I think this is scum

otherwise im gonna push it

Teacher is the only player in this game that I have prior experience with, and he played exactly this way. He was super quiet for large parts of day 1 and was agreeing with loud players (Irrelephant, Flavor) and I called him out as scummy for it, as it would be really easy to play that way as scum. He was town. While I still think his behavior would be too easy to replicate as mafia I see teacher playing this game really similarly to his town game.

UNVOTE:

[Cinnamon]

VOTE: Nero Cain

Something about the way that he pushed me early in the game seemed off. It didn't really feel like he was trying to figure out my alignment. His reasoning for pushing on teacher was also pretty weird to me; I don't think that being 'lazy with your vote' is a great reason to read somebody as scummy.

[Vorkuta]

I find it pretty hypocritical you're saying this when you posted this earlier:

Fair, but I had this quote in mind

The fact that they continue to talk about it is steadily becoming less and less town however.

Like 700 posts later the miller issue is being necro'd when we have a huge treasure trove of interactions to analyze.
It's like flubber doesn't want to catch up past post ~200 or something

[Vorkuta]

While I still think his behavior would be too easy to replicate as mafia

Yes- Inactivity and being quiet are very difficult traits to replicate

/s

I'm lacking the insight that apparently half this roster has with playing with/against teacher.
Aside from the fact that he... is a teacher.... can anyone clue me in/TL;DR/spoonfeed me?

[Cinnamon]

As he calls it he's a 'reaction' player. He's really quiet early and doesn't provide much original content until he gets his hooks in (which is somewhere halfway into the day) when he finds his reads based on how others are playing, then he starts really getting into the game.

(this is off of one game so idk if its completely accurate)

[Vorkuta]

So...
From my cynical point of view, he's a "don't lynch him D1 because he resolves D3" player.
Great.

[skitter30]

Who is town reading Skitter? Like, yes, I know town can be wrong. It's possible that I'm wrong about Teacher but isn't there the slightest possibility that she's just scum?

say this again? i'm not following the connection ur drawing between me and teacher

[skitter30]

no longer townleaning flubber

[Detective Pikachu]

If one of buj and skitter flip scum I'd push on this as implicating the other

I agree this post is kinda a problem since I don't see how that really implicates skitter as s/s and not just Buj, if scum, trying to pocket skitter.

I have literally no idea what to do with the drunk posting. I'm not sure that I'm satisfied enough with ED's content yet to move off him tho

[u r a person 2]

But I posted because I saw a growing wagon on an early miller claim which is a bad strategy imo to lynch miller claims day 1. I townread cinnamon which made it even worse as a push. What was particularly concerning is that it looked like it had real potential to grow because it was being pushed by nero who has a substantial amount of influence in games on average. I had no idea at the time he was fake pushing. I felt at the time that it was urgent enough to warrant publicly opposing the wagon.
I'm not really a watch from afar kind of player.

@Nero does it make sense to you that Buj would think that you could have pushed through a lynch on cinn during early D1?

[u r a person 2]

Ngl this post kinda makes me want to vote u ...

Why arent u trying to read me yet?

I just meant that as I've been reading your posts, nothing has struck me as being AI for you, which stems from me really not having a solid grasp of what is AI for you. You've got good overlap between town and scum and I don't have a tonal or holistic tell for you that I'm confident in, so if you're scum I think I'll probably have to catch you through poe or some manner of gamestate read.

[skitter30]

didn't u have a grasp of my scumgame in tris's game that just ended ...?
(ie reading me based on making posts that u thought were outside my scumrange)
that's why i'm confused why ur reading me differently here

[u r a person 2]

Too fast or stalling?

why did you ask this question

[u r a person 2]

didn't u have a grasp of my scumgame in tris's game that just ended ...?
(ie reading me based on making posts that u thought were outside my scumrange)
that's why i'm confused why ur reading me differently here

We had a very active back and forth early and into d2 i think? that made it pretty easy to get a read on you, though even that was primarily rooted in the sheer quantity of interaction. you know, stemming from the skitter doesn't like rt interactions as scum meta that is obviously a major simplification

maybe we'll get to that point in this game, but I'd prefer to find a way to read you that doesn't require one of us calling the other scum for a week real time lol

[u r a person 2]

like take this interaction we're having here. it feels a lot like last game, and i don't really remember you digging this deep when you were hydra with rc

so that seems townie

but do I think from what I know of your game that you are incapable of this as scum? no way

[Nero Cain]

But I posted because I saw a growing wagon on an early miller claim which is a bad strategy imo to lynch miller claims day 1. I townread cinnamon which made it even worse as a push. What was particularly concerning is that it looked like it had real potential to grow because it was being pushed by nero who has a substantial amount of influence in games on average. I had no idea at the time he was fake pushing. I felt at the time that it was urgent enough to warrant publicly opposing the wagon.
I'm not really a watch from afar kind of player.

@Nero does it make sense to you that Buj would think that you could have pushed through a lynch on cinn during early D1?

I guess? Like if it was something that I actually believed in I would have pushed much harder and more passionately. So yeah, I think it's possible I could have gotten him lynched. Now if he's scum then maybe not b/c I wouldn't be getting those 3 sheep votes from scum. Is this a scum slip from Bug?

[skitter30]

@urap are you voting evil because *i* am, or because other people are voting him (incidentally including me)?