Mini Normal 2081 — My First Game! [Game Over]

[pisskop]

Melanque is def scummy or terribad with logic. your choice, but Ill tell you he's not a newbie to forum mafia.

[Menalque]

On a more serious note though, what do you find scummy about sky skitter?

idk, kinda gut, like i said

i don't like 27; it reads kinda like an rvs vote since it's apparetnly not meant to be taken seriously; i don't know why she feels th need to change her vote there so it feels like busywork kinda, like posting things to be doing things

[skitter30]

i'm kinda confused by this convo

[pisskop]

pisskop i feel like ur trying to find menalque scummy rn

VOTE: Menalque

i mean rob agrees w/me

[Menalque]

Like she literally explained it

Yeh I took issue with the explanation but trying to say that I was reading skitter as scummy because she read sky as scummy for lurking is just wow

[skitter30]

Melanque is def scummy or terribad with logic. your choice, but Ill tell you he's not a newbie to forum mafia.

i'm leaning on the side of not-great logic
don't like ur push on him rn

[Robbnva]

ok, maybe just take a look again in postgame
i mean this sincerely, has nothing to do with my alignment or yours or this game even

Thing is I’m a gut feel kind of player. I base my reads on if somebody’s actions make more sense as town or scum. So it probably wouldn’t be beneficial but sure

[pisskop]

No I don't, but if she is it would be better for the game if she stopped. If she is town, I have to be able to work with her at some point and I am now unable to. based on the number of townies in this game, having 2 not able to work together is detrimental to town's win condition.

I think this encapsulates a TR of rob from me. This is exactly the kind of thing town needs to be posting

[pisskop]

So, Robbnva, I understand you believe skitter is using faulty logic. I don't think anyone disagrees with you that lurking is inherently null. I do think, however, that skitter is looking deeper then you might assume. It's not about the lurking, it's about the context around it and possible reasons for it. She even backed off of Skygazer when she noted that she was busy because of IRL circumstances. There's more subtlety to it than skitter saying "lurking = scum," because that's obviously not true.

Do you see that? Do you have grievances with skitter outside of that point?

I rather like this whole convo where Dann trys to convince rob to stop tunneling skitter over her push on sky.

I mean i guess it implies that dan could be scum w/skitter, but i dont think skitter is under any pressure here?

[pisskop]

don't like ur push on him rn

so vote me.

[Exilon]

So, Robbnva, I understand you believe skitter is using faulty logic. I don't think anyone disagrees with you that lurking is inherently null. I do think, however, that skitter is looking deeper then you might assume. It's not about the lurking, it's about the context around it and possible reasons for it. She even backed off of Skygazer when she noted that she was busy because of IRL circumstances. There's more subtlety to it than skitter saying "lurking = scum," because that's obviously not true.

Do you see that? Do you have grievances with skitter outside of that point?

I rather like this whole convo where Dann trys to convince rob to stop tunneling skitter over her push on sky.

I mean i guess it implies that dan could be scum w/skitter, but i dont think skitter is under any pressure here?

I tried to do this same thing so am I town or scum with skitter?

[pisskop]

Right.

My hot take is that scum here is more likely in the lurkers at the moment. Looking at the VC, I quite strongly town read Cinnamon, Menalque, and Robbnva, with a weaker town read on skitter. If I'm right, that would mean Skygazer is an all town wagon right now, which could point to her alignment considering her wagon hasn't built very easily.

I also think Exilon is more likely town than not here. Cinnamon vs. Exilon feels icky to me for some reason, but in the end I think they're both just grasping at straws, which I think is more likely to come from town than scum in a game of this size and this early on.

That leaves

[Lil Uzi Vert, Hitei, Skygazer]

as a potential pool. That's probably way too easy and I'm sure I'm wrong somewhere, but that's where I'd like to start. Luv is the most active of the three, so this is going to be most productive:

VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert

I don't like "not having any scum reads yet," granted it's only page 8, but I find it a terrible reason to withhold your vote unless your name is Something_Smart. The complaint about leaving LIVS or RVS earlier isn't cohesive with not having strong reads—and you don't even need strong reads to vote. In general, he hasn't expressed any reads and his ISO is mostly just hedging on things and asking questions with no followup.

No scum reads. Should I?

I also don't like the "Should I?" here. Reads too much like asking for approval. If this was just a playstyle thing I'd expect Luv to be more confident in their "no scum reads = no vote."

the most interesting part here, is the cinnamon v exilon comment.
but the luv push is also relevant.

[skitter30]

don't like ur push on him rn

so vote me.

i thought about it, idk if you're at l-2 or l-1 rn and i haven't had a chance to check

[Exilon]

Melanque is def scummy or terribad with logic. your choice, but Ill tell you he's not a newbie to forum mafia.

I'd like to direct you towards cinnamon then cause she has an opposite belief

[Exilon]

I mean he. Cinnamon is a he.

[pisskop]

I mean, I think skitter's push on Skygazer is exactly what makes her town, so obviously we just disagree with how we view that
I mean, I think skitter's push on Skygazer is exactly what makes her town, so obviously we just disagree with how we view that

this is in response to a question about how he moved skitter from null to town from rob.


I dont TR Dann like I do rob, but i think that for now he falls on the right side of the fence.

[Cinnamon]

pisskop why do you think Menalque is not a new player?

[Cinnamon]

I'm kind of null on how Exilon responded to me pressuring them. On the one hand, they seemed to be trying to gamesolve but I feel like the way they were arguing against me was weird.

[Cinnamon]

so I’m saying right now that I’m open to policy lynching there if there’s not clear scum by EoD

ewwww.

this is both premature and avoids taking any stances.

I think your readslist was a great way to avoid taking stances. The fact that you described my play as 'sheepy' when the only sheepy thing I did was vote with skitter really early to build a wagon shows that you really haven't tried to solve my slot at all yet.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

i'm kinda confused by this convo

[pisskop]

so I’m saying right now that I’m open to policy lynching there if there’s not clear scum by EoD

ewwww.

this is both premature and avoids taking any stances.

I think your readslist was a great way to avoid taking stances. The fact that you described my play as 'sheepy' when the only sheepy thing I did was vote with skitter really early to build a wagon shows that you really haven't tried to solve my slot at all yet.

Is it almost like I made a list after skimming the game and then went back and isoed a few players to get a better feel for the game?

[pisskop]

pisskop why do you think Menalque is not a new player?

word?

[pisskop]

I get the impression that he is new to MS, but throws around buzzwords like he's a ToS player.

[pisskop]

i'm kinda confused by this convo

pretty sure it was several happening at once.

[pisskop]

So sky did you

also

roll scum this game

Looking for context I saw this

Sky I think we both agree Menalque is always scum here so VOTE: Menalque is the right lynch

I'll bet Jeremy Lin's NBA championship ring on Sky + Menalque being the scum team here

I dont get it.