Mini Normal 2081 — My First Game! [Game Over]

[pisskop]

Like she literally explained it

Yeh I took issue with the explanation but trying to say that I was reading skitter as scummy because she read sky as scummy for lurking is just wow

Yes, I read that now. The skygazer joking about the exilon and being memey about it.

[pisskop]

for RVS, I do think she overexaggerated. put in context you seem rather justified.

[Cinnamon]

I get the impression that he is new to MS, but throws around buzzwords like he's a ToS player.

Fair enough, I could see that being the case.

[Cinnamon]

so I’m saying right now that I’m open to policy lynching there if there’s not clear scum by EoD

ewwww.

this is both premature and avoids taking any stances.

I think your readslist was a great way to avoid taking stances. The fact that you described my play as 'sheepy' when the only sheepy thing I did was vote with skitter really early to build a wagon shows that you really haven't tried to solve my slot at all yet.

Is it almost like I made a list after skimming the game and then went back and isoed a few players to get a better feel for the game?

My point wasn't to say that you're scummy for doing so but to say that posts that avoid taking stances at this point are not a good reason to scumread somebody.

[pisskop]

it's pinging me the wrong way

thusly, i find this sus.

[pisskop]

My point wasn't to say that you're scummy for doing so but to say that posts that avoid taking stances at this point are not a good reason to scumread somebody.

no worries.

[pisskop]

What does hollistic thought process mean in this context?

"Organically flowing".


is how i choose to interpret that.

[pisskop]

That's fine as a thought process, I'm just sticking to the fact he decided to announce it, so now it produces no information for town (hence my comment on timing).

That's the type of insight town usually keeps to itself until it actually produces information.

I tend to disagree with why town keeps it to themselves, and thus if town does even keep it to themselves.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

i'm kinda confused by this convo

pretty sure it was several happening at once.

It’s more so that I really didn’t get anything out of the last page and a half.

[pisskop]

yea i feel like im playing a game where we have fluffy pillow fights instead of mafia.


it all feels so fluffy and soft.

[pisskop]

To be more specific, I think it's more of a slip than a scum-driven agenda post.

that's fine. I've seen it happen before, so it isn't just conjecture. Nevertheless, it's worth whatever an early-game read is worth.

Feel free to direct attention to some other areas we can explore

i really dislike these two though. I think we just went from 'it is a scum slip' to 'lets look somewhere else' while skipping the vote and pressure in between.

town

really

shouldnt be doing that so early.

[pisskop]

I dont know how I feel about exilon. I think its too easy for me to both write up a case on him and push it and i could also easily point out how he is making several observations and could be making notes.


I think what really sells me one way or another is how passive i think they are. unbiased observer. The key being reactionary in nature. And i dont like that.
VOTE: exilon

[pisskop]

Also, q for the board: is greeting the thread only considered a scumtell in newbie games?

idgi

saying hi isnt really a scumtell. maybe for nervous new players but that seems really unreliable since some come out swinging and some dont?

[pisskop]

I'm sorry, I don't believe you understood what I was trying to say so I'll put it simply. I think your read is fundamentally bad. You're using a bad read so I think it's more likely to come from scum than town. I also have no idea where this 'trying to dodge the question' is coming from because I think I answered you quite clearly.

i think i tr the tone of this?

[pisskop]

My point wasn't to say that you're scummy for doing so but to say that posts that avoid taking stances at this point are not a good reason to scumread somebody.

yea there it is again. the tone and implications seem townish

[pisskop]

Low information voting stage.

Its catching on, i think.

Do you not think there’s value in voting to apply pressure to people/for later vca?

Eh I’ve never put much faith into VCA. It can be a useful tool, but it is not the be-all-end-all and context is extremely important if you are going to use it. Even if you expect to see patterns over the course of the game, context is still important. I think a lot of people who use VCA luck themselves into conclusions that happen to be correct or are correct more often than not or just ignore the times it doesn’t work while remembering the times it does.

why tf are you so damn active and fluffy LUV? Am I wrong to expect a lurky midgame-content poster?

[pisskop]

hmmmm I feel like I need to reread. my reads dont seem to line up with some other players.

[Menalque]

I get the impression that he is new to MS, but throws around buzzwords like he's a ToS player.

lol

[Menalque]

I think I’m still scumreading pisskop at this point with the switch from me to exilon being a result of skitter/cinn both picking up on it being forced

The cinnamon TR feels like it could be an attempt to pocket?

But it’s all also so blatant that I kind of wanna TR for it because I think scum would at least try to have some subtlety, but equally I don’t know your meta at all

[Dannflor]

Exilon, do you have any scum reads other than Cinnamon?

[Exilon]

So sky did you

also

roll scum this game

aaah I see the bolded now

My last two games were with Sky and she was scum in both, that was just a reference without impact to the game following her rvs

[Exilon]

To be more specific, I think it's more of a slip than a scum-driven agenda post.

that's fine. I've seen it happen before, so it isn't just conjecture. Nevertheless, it's worth whatever an early-game read is worth.

Feel free to direct attention to some other areas we can explore

i really dislike these two though. I think we just went from 'it is a scum slip' to 'lets look somewhere else' while skipping the vote and pressure in between.

town

really

shouldnt be doing that so early.

I think we just might have different playstyles and opinions. I didn't go from one to the other and just drop it (which seems to be what you're implying here), I can still have it at the back of my mind for later.
As it stands, I can believe it came from town. But I also see it as a possible scum slip. It also doesn't eliminate the fact it is a bit anti-town.

Obviously I will move around and explore as many areas as possible, and will invite others to do so. I don't see how that can be a problem.
You saying there's a skip implies there's people that would be on board with my read on him, but as you can clearly see, that's not how the game went. So what you're pointing at here in this post doesn't exist.

[Exilon]

Exilon, do you have any scum reads other than Cinnamon?

I actually do, now. Pisskop has posted a lot and I'm having a hard time tracking some of his thoughts and I think I feel that somewhere along the way he's been internally inconsistent in some of his opinions / reads? I need to reread it. Some of it also feels slightly forced.

To borrow Menalque's words, which I agree with:

[...]

The cinnamon TR feels like it could be an attempt to pocket?

[...]

[Exilon]

hmmmm I feel like I need to reread. my reads dont seem to line up with some other players.

Also this is "huh?"

Why would it be an issue that your reads aren't lining up with other players?

[Robbnva]

Also, q for the board: is greeting the thread only considered a scumtell in newbie games?

idgi

saying hi isnt really a scumtell. maybe for nervous new players but that seems really unreliable since some come out swinging and some dont?

Thank you. Somebody else who doesn’t believe on that stupid tell.