Mini Normal 2081 — My First Game! [Game Over]

[ClearlyClarity]

Day 1, Votecount #5

Spoiler: Flavor

I went to the Shanghai Science and Technology Museum today. I normally hate museums, but I had a really fun time! There were "zoo" exhibits so lifelike they seemed like the real thing; an earthquake simulator; a science section; and a cool gallery with some optical illusions. For instance:



This painting was titled

My Wife and My Mother-in-Law

. Who is depicted here: a young woman, or an old lady? Let me know what you see!

pisskop (3) -

Cinnamon, Menalque, Dannflor

L-2

skitter30 (1) -

Robbnva

Cinnamon (1) -

Exilon

Exilon (1) -

pisskop

Dannflor (1) -

Hitei

Not Voting (2) -

Lil Uzi Vert, skitter30

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2019-06-25 00:42:13)

Mod notes:

Hitei has (expired on 2019-06-20 07:47:22) to respond to her prod before I replace her.

[Robbnva]

hmmmm I feel like I need to reread. my reads dont seem to line up with some other players.

Also this is "huh?"

Why would it be an issue that your reads aren't lining up with other players?

I 2nd this question.

[pisskop]

I don't need to have reads like other people. I do want to have something that resembles a confident read.

perhaps I phrased that wrong.

[pisskop]

When studies are conducted on the subject, they have reliably found that a mass of 'average' people are correct about more things than 'experts' in their fields and similar ones..
wisdom of the masses is real.

[Exilon]

That logic applies when you're an external source looking at information points. You would look at the average of the results and hypothesize around the average.

It doesn't apply here whatsoever, because you're the one producing results.

It seems that you're saying you want to reread the game in order to sheep someone or sheep the average, which is pretty bad for what I hope are obvious reasons.

[pisskop]

.

To borrow Menalque's words, which I agree with:

[...]

The cinnamon TR feels like it could be an attempt to pocket?

[...]

hunh?

if you think Id pocket cinnabun, why him explicitly? Why not robnva, who I tred out the gate?

the issue with this line of thought is that it is narrative. there is no way to prove or disprove it, especially with out evidence

[Exilon]

I don't know why him explictily, that's one thing we can figure out. Not knowing why something happens or feels a certain way doesn't invalidate that it happened

[Exilon]

But I can go over your ISO and draw some comparisons and shed some light on why I feel that way.

[Robbnva]

if you think Id pocket cinnabun, why him explicitly? Why not robnva, who I tred out the gate?

Why were you trying to pocket me?

[Robbnva]

Or better phrased. Why are you trying to pocket me?

[Exilon]

Ok let me split this up. I read Pisskop ISO.

Regarding Rob and Cinn townpocketing. These are the direct mentions to Rob:

282 townreads Rob.

Also this wasn't out of the gate. Before, Pisskop posted a skim list in 258. This list doesn't mean much according to himself and most of the reads are weak and changed shortly after, so it's self-admitted noise (295). He's null on ROb here.

And these are direct mentions of Cinn.

286 says cinn v exi is interesting, doesn't specify or go anywhere with it.
305 makes a point of replying to Cinn specifically with no real follow up.
313 TR's the tone of Cinn in a post where he's explictily talking about exi v Cinn.
314 has really weird timing because it's quoting the same post that he did in 295. The first time pisskop didn't make any mention of it being a townish tone. If he thought it was townish, this seems like a weird timing to be brining it back and wording it like it was looking at it fresh, but if he didn't feel the tone was townish then, it just seems like confirmation bias at work and artificial.

The fact that he never goes deeper with Cinn regarding Menalque being new to the game or not (thus his actions being / not being scummy) which would be I imagine a point of contention seems like pisskop just giving Cinn some leeway based off "tone" alone. I even called him out on it in 288, which Pisskop conveniently completely ignored.
So it feels especially weird as a defense to invoke Rob when it's pretty clear how much more town you're announcing Cinn to be, without even *really engaging* with him.

While I'm on the topic of Pisskop ISO, some other things really jumped out at me. See next post.

[Exilon]

Pisskop finds Menalque to be scummy or anti-town in 262 and votes him for it.
Directly disagrees with Cinn that Menalque is new at forum mafia, which would give some credence to my read on Menalque (297).

But then there's 307. Disagreeing with me here and in this way is essentially conceding that Menalque had a townish action, and yet earlier he pushed Menalque for it, and said it was scummy. This is internally contradictory: if by definition you think what Menalque did is townish, it doesn't make any sense to find him scummy earlier for it. You're either faking what you think about Menalque or intently shading me to justify a push.

Either is scummy.

This coupled with that last post, then 316 happening, which seems like scum tripping over himself (and then trying to rephrasing without any success), is very very bad.

But it gets worse! If you were trying to gamesolve, why would you conveniently completely ignore the points raised up by the guy you're voting for:

Spoiler:

So, Robbnva, I understand you believe skitter is using faulty logic. I don't think anyone disagrees with you that lurking is inherently null. I do think, however, that skitter is looking deeper then you might assume. It's not about the lurking, it's about the context around it and possible reasons for it. She even backed off of Skygazer when she noted that she was busy because of IRL circumstances. There's more subtlety to it than skitter saying "lurking = scum," because that's obviously not true.

Do you see that? Do you have grievances with skitter outside of that point?

I rather like this whole convo where Dann trys to convince rob to stop tunneling skitter over her push on sky.

I mean i guess it implies that dan could be scum w/skitter, but i dont think skitter is under any pressure here?

I tried to do this same thing so am I town or scum with skitter?

Melanque is def scummy or terribad with logic. your choice, but Ill tell you he's not a newbie to forum mafia.

I'd like to direct you towards cinnamon then cause she has an opposite belief

To be more specific, I think it's more of a slip than a scum-driven agenda post.

that's fine. I've seen it happen before, so it isn't just conjecture. Nevertheless, it's worth whatever an early-game read is worth.

Feel free to direct attention to some other areas we can explore

i really dislike these two though. I think we just went from 'it is a scum slip' to 'lets look somewhere else' while skipping the vote and pressure in between.

town

really

shouldnt be doing that so early.

I think we just might have different playstyles and opinions. I didn't go from one to the other and just drop it (which seems to be what you're implying here), I can still have it at the back of my mind for later.
As it stands, I can believe it came from town. But I also see it as a possible scum slip. It also doesn't eliminate the fact it is a bit anti-town.

Obviously I will move around and explore as many areas as possible, and will invite others to do so. I don't see how that can be a problem.
You saying there's a skip implies there's people that would be on board with my read on him, but as you can clearly see, that's not how the game went. So what you're pointing at here in this post doesn't exist.

UNVOTE:

FOS: Pisskop

until Clarity updates the VC.

[Exilon]

Oh look, a wagon!!
VOTE: Pisskop

[pisskop]

oh hey.

im the doc

gg guys

[Robbnva]

for those who can't read the mod's font.

Pisskop is at L-1

[Robbnva]

oh hey.

im the doc

gg guys

hey answer my question please

[pisskop]

what evidence do you have that I'm pocketing you?

[Robbnva]

came in hard defending me which is bizarre since nobody else really has been

scum reading at least one of the same people I do sort of adds to it.

[pisskop]

okay

[pisskop]

I mean scum me hammer rn sooooo what you gonna do rob

[Robbnva]

What do you mean what am I going to do?

[pisskop]

came in hard defending me which is bizarre since nobody else really has been

scum reading at least one of the same people I do sort of adds to it.

where was this?

[Robbnva]

maybe defending is the wrong word but you made posts that definitely come off as buddying/pocketing

258 - menal had accused me of being both of those, you are basically saying he's wrong without actually mentioning his name, where I had been a little toxic
278 - this is a "see rob agrees with me" post
282 - You declare you town read me not sure why that post I made dd it

I don't see how you came in and town read me so hard, so easily. that gave me a pocketing vibe.

[Exilon]

Oh I had missed 278

[Robbnva]

278 is a definite buddying post imo. Like I have any sort of credibility this game.