Mini Normal 2081 — My First Game! [Game Over]

[Menalque]

luv case:

fluffiest

i did not roll scum :c

that's what scum would say

We got her

fluffposts continue

First time I’ve seen it used in a mafia game

more fluff

Is it just me that’s forgetting there is only 9 players?

Are you an alt by any chance Hitei?

fluff and also mildly diverting attention away from the game

How do we jumpstart it? I feel like we jumped out of LIVS too quickly.

well, by voting? which you're finding every excuse to do through this whole portion of the game

I'm too neurotic to lurk as scum :c

Do you mean stressed? How would that make you lurk less as scum?

this is now reading as an intentional not understanding of what she meant to be able to ask the second question and give the appearance of trying to solve

And for the sake of pressure?

Admitting her wagon is a pressure wagon defeats the purpose of having it in my opinion.

so by forcing me to have this conversation with you, the usefulness of a pressure wagon was largely eroded -- yet you had plenty of chances to jump on before making it incredibly overt which would have meant it could have been useful as a pressure wagon

this is anti-town because it makes it harder to glean information from the wagon

I have some suspicion regarding Menalaque but it’s very weak.

Can you expand on where you get this from?

It seemed like he was pushing me to vote Sky and it rubbed me the wrong way a bit.

I guess my followup question would be why wouldn't you pressure this?

I took a very very quick glance at your meta and it didn't seem like you had any qualms with voting early in another game. I'm just trying to figure out whether this is a playstyle thing for you or if there's something about

this game

in particular that's giving you trouble.

Just felt like it was more noteworthy then something to condemn him for. Some games I’ll have very quick tonal scum reads and others I won’t.

"yeah, I found it kind of scummy but despite the fact that nothing was really happening in the game at that point I decided not to bother putting any pressure on someone I had scumpings off"

also "it seemed like he was pushing me to vote sky" I mean yeah how else could you possibly interpret that, you don't need to say it seemed that way

i'm kinda confused by this convo

fluffiest

i'm kinda confused by this convo

pretty sure it was several happening at once.

It’s more so that I really didn’t get anything out of the last page and a half.

seems weird that you would get nothing from all of that unless you're not actually trying because you don't care about sorting any slots because you're scum?

Where’s Hieti?

Intent

weirdly placed intent as Dannflor has also been pushing you over

I find it weird to claim doc as the D1 fake claim. Like, that has the least utility for scum in terms of eliminating a PR on N1, because it’s so purely protective. I think that scum would normally prefer to claim cop/tracker or even JK over doc here, and I think that with any fake claim there’s got to be thought about the CC scenario

And yeah I think I kind of believe it — like, I think he’s been playing really bad as doc, but that adds credence to my belief that it’s real. For instance, I feel a cop would be a much better fit for a claim (trying to lead pushes, but walking close enough to the mislynch line not to be the NK) so why would scum not do that?

Doctor is normally a pretty safe claim as scum because you can just claim to have protected someone other than the person who died

and people hate lynching doctors.

only there's three people on the wagon who apparently barely gave it a second thought

Where’s the line? I think that’s sarcasm coming from frustration of feeling forced to claim his PR halfway through D1

Do you not think I don’t know that everyone hasn’t reacted? If I had any intention of

hammering soon

, I wouldn’t have mentioned Hitei.

Also why would you intent before half te board had a chance to react to the claim?

What line? What are you on about?

line between sarcasm and frustration

I don't see how mentioning hitei means you weren't considering hammering soon

It actually used to be common practice to hammer without stating intent until not claiming certain roles became a viable strategy. What’s my motivation for putting myself out there and stating intent? Why don’t I just decide to play the too scummy to be scum card and hammer to end discussion?

easy, you hope that a few hours pass without much response then hammer anyway and can then say "bUt GuYs i gAvE iNtEnT" when it comes up tomorrow

whereas if you know that pisskop is town and therefore probably not lying about the doc claim then lolhammering v likely does get you lynched tomorrow

[Menalque]

where it says "fluffiest" it's an autocorrect of "fluff post"

[Lil Uzi Vert]

LOL

[Cinnamon]

Hey I'm really busy today so I'll try to catch up tonight/early tomorrow

[Robbnva]

I don't really see anything AI in that case. Fluff is annoying, maybe anti-town, but it isn't AI. I am not even mad at the intent post because piss was the one acting squirrely and the way he was acting doesn't make sense for a PR under pressure.

I appreciate the attempt.

[pisskop]

yo luv -> rob -> skitter -> Exil [after he becomes obvious scum to the rest of you]

[Menalque]

pisskop talk to me about why skitter is scum?

[pisskop]

gut.

meta from an alt of mine and gut. skitter's a good scum player, and i dont see her misreading sky like she did.

[Menalque]

I had a look at skitter's meta after the super early sky read and to me this seems much more in line with her town game than her scum game

[pisskop]

Ill be on tonight.

[Robbnva]

man, pk gets called out for pocketing me and instead of admitting it, does a 180.

u mad bro

[pisskop]

Right. I have over 100 games onsite for you to sample my play from.

I'm not sinking to this level w/you of all people

[Lil Uzi Vert]

It’s funny that you’re interpreting my responses Mena as trying to force you have a conversation with me. You brought up two faulty reasons why I should join a wagon on Sky. You eroded the pressure from the very moment you brought up VCA.

I stated that you seemed like you were pushing me because I felt it was starting to be in bad faith. You clearly didn’t have an alignment indictive reason for wanting to vote Sky so the insistence on trying to get me to vote for her started to ping me.

I mention Hitei because I and the rest of town damn sure want to hear from here before anyone’s hammered.

[Robbnva]

it's the truth though. You have no logical explanation on how you did a 180 on me.

You threaten to put me on the ignore list so you have already sunken to the lowest of lows.

Threatening to put somebody on the site ignore list is kind of like using outside influences in the game which is technically be against site rules.

[Robbnva]

your 180 started after I called you on you pocketing me and explaining how it is possible you could be fake claiming. I didn't say you were, I just said it is possible (which could be said about any claim)

[Exilon]

It’s funny that you’re interpreting my responses Mena as trying to force you have a conversation with me. You brought up two faulty reasons why I should join a wagon on Sky. You eroded the pressure from the very moment you brought up VCA.

I stated that you seemed like you were pushing me because I felt it was starting to be in bad faith. You clearly didn’t have an alignment indictive reason for wanting to vote Sky so the insistence on trying to get me to vote for her started to ping me.

I mention Hitei because I and the rest of town damn sure want to hear from here before anyone’s hammered.

yes. and skitter.

[pisskop]

Threatening to put somebody on the site ignore list is kind of like using outside influences in the game which is technically be against site rules.

1: No it is not
2: ignore doesnt work in-game.

[Robbnva]

now this game is getting toxic. so I am taking a break.

kop is probably scum here.

[pisskop]

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Is that a cursed image?

[Menalque]

It’s funny that you’re interpreting my responses Mena as trying to force you have a conversation with me. You brought up two faulty reasons why I should join a wagon on Sky. You eroded the pressure from the very moment you brought up VCA.

I stated that you seemed like you were pushing me because I felt it was starting to be in bad faith.

You clearly didn’t have an alignment indictive reason for wanting to vote Sky so the insistence on trying to get me to vote for her started to ping me.

Where am I interpreting your responses as you trying to force me to have a conversation with you?

I literally don't understand the bolded part.

[Menalque]

Fact remains that you went from not voting anyone/applying any useful pressure literally anywhere in the game, along with minimal analysis or attempts to make the game state move to being willing to hammer a doc claim.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

You just said I was forcing you to have a conversation with me in your case on me.

Did you not read any of what I said regarding Exilon to PK?

[Menalque]

oh that's a good point actually, lol

point still stands about the fact it would have been better for town if you'd jumped on and not debated the merits of voting/not voting sky

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Would you still scum read me Mena if I claimed cop?