Mini Normal 2081 — My First Game! [Game Over]

[chennisden]

d2 i promise you skitter will be sorted beyond a reasonable doubt.

Why do you say this

I have a meta tell

[chennisden]

Skitter is townie

Dannflor if you believe cinna/skitter is s/s then pls vote cinna with us

[Dannflor]

i might be wrong on skitter

[Dannflor]

I'm not in a rush

I want to see if there's meta to how scum!Cinna reacts to pressure

[chennisden]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 1&start=50

only one is a marathon

[Dannflor]

Hm I’m sleeping on it

Good night

[chennisden]

night

[Exilon]

I'm gonna have a long day ahead of me today and not much time to post; I wanna try and touch on a heatpoint for me rq tho

@cinn
Regarding what Menalque pointed out about you scumreading those that push you or scumread you. What are your thoughts on that feedback? I would like if you could go as deep as possible on this.

[skitter30]

@cinn actually this is the sort of thing i need a pc for - i should habe time after work before my weekend vla

[Lil Uzi Vert]

UNVOTE:
i'm not really feeling this anymore, i think

Why?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I am conceding that it was weird that I didn't respond to the pisskop pocket claim; but even so if you think that's scummy I would think that would make me scummy on my own more than scummy as a team with pisskop.

I mean concerted effort in that one of you is pushing that to shade me as part of a larger gameplan, not that you are both doing it together.

I'm not confident that I can argue better than you can, and that's why I think you'd be making this push as mafia. It feels 'icky' to quote dannfloor to me because I think you're trying to make accusatory statements to make me 'slip up' rather than actually trying to gamesolve. I say this because I don't see you trying to reconsider my alignment at all.

I don’t see how not having a strong belief or full assurance would make you think he’s scum here. It sounds more of you problem than anything. I want to say you’re town for expressing this though and it isn’t something that you made up because of how you felt your first go around arguing with him. (292)

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Exil is scum, when can you wagon him


Exil is apparently trying to shame people into voting.

But i have done no reading to verify that.

Why aren’t we lynching here again?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

So then you have a conundrum here, don't you? If your case on Menalque is weakining and now Pisskopp is scummier, but you're unsure of their claim.... the thing you do... is accuse me and Dennis-chan ... of being a scum team?

Stuff like this is exactly what I mean. This just seems to be purposefully misrepping me and twisting what I've said, without actually trying to engage me on my play.

I see attempt to figure out why you aren’t voting PK more than misrepresentation here. Similar to how I did with Mena.

You didn’t explicitly state that your read on Mena was weakening but I think it’s fair to argue you did or it’s implied based on 640 and 643. You also stated that you think he’s trying to game solve as opposed to PK so there’s no reason to not vote him if you’re doubting the claim.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I haven't read Rob yet and will do so

Why did you delay reading Rob?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

(...)

why do you dislike the timing re:pisskop? that was the whole impetus for why I started finding luv scummy, with the intent prompting me to go back and read his ISO

(...)

I think you've covered this with someone else and you're aware of it (I think skitter mentioned that it was looking like you were scum trying to avoid his partner getting lynched).
That's what I mean about timing.

It actually to me came a bit out of left field, and while I can certainly believe that his vote spurred you to go into his ISO and make a deep analysis, it still feels as if you're having a hard time letting go of some points and you seem to be grasping very hard at the notion that he must be scummy, the proof you have should be enough, and that we can find much more of it if we keep reading the ISO.

You know? It's not like you don't want to be wrong about him, it's that at some points your insistence feels similar to stalling.

the more i think about it the more i feel like scum who knows that doing X will make them look scummy won't do X because it makes them look scummy

like if menalque knows that defendign partner!pisskop will make him look bad, why does he do it?

He’s not really defending PK’s play though. He’s defending the claim. A claim that is a very good one for scum to make

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Are these reasons the same ones why you believe the pisskop claim or different ones?

Different.

My reasons for believing the pisskop claim are speculatory

The reason I won't get lynched is pretty concrete

Don’t follow the solve the setup philosophy. Do you think PK’s play come from town? Why or why not?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

chennis i'm not even talking to you, if you're seriously town here your head is so far up your butt it's insane

I forgot who but someone said that Cinnamon’s tone just reeks of town and I think this is prime example of that in every way

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I'm just trying to figure out if Cinnamon's response to Chennis is more frustrated townie or a "scum caught for the wrong reasons" type deal

I think if Cinnamon was scum caught for the wrong reasons, he would’ve stopped interacting and arguing a long time ago.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

i feel like cinnamon tried to discredit me to some extent when i pushed him and now that he's realized it's not working, he's vaguely trying to appeal to the towncore by saying stuff like "this is probably TvT lol wouldn't that be funny" while leaving his discrediting options open

Yeah I find that to be the weirdest post in his ISO and the timing of it does no favors. I still think his tone is screaming town though.

[Dannflor]

Exil is scum, when can you wagon him


Exil is apparently trying to shame people into voting.

But i have done no reading to verify that.

Why aren’t we lynching here again?

Well for one, Chennis apparently has “reasons” to say the claim is real

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Exil is scum, when can you wagon him


Exil is apparently trying to shame people into voting.

But i have done no reading to verify that.

Why aren’t we lynching here again?

Well for one, Chennis apparently has “reasons” to say the claim is real

That are based on setup speculation with no flips.

[Dannflor]

I guess I'm reluctant to scum read pisskop just because of how many fucks he does not seem to give

[Cinnamon]

Cinnamon, do you have any completed scum games?

If you want to look at marathons I have a couple, a WNAF with RC and a Lovers 6p with Oka. Outside of that, I don't.

[Dannflor]

Okay

I think you're town

Skitter, why are you scum reading Cinnamon?

[Gamma Emerald]

EGO FUCK ME