Gameshow Mafia (Reroll): Game Over

[BNL]

Vote Count 11.1.1

Rank (2): Time Devil, RadiantCowbells

Not Voting (2): 0verki11, Titus

With 4 players alive, it takes 3 to select a power.

The deadline for power selection is 1 July 2:00 UTC-4, or in (expired on 2019-07-01 02:00:00)

Mod notes:
Day 11 has begun!
Friendly reminder to all be nice to each other and that discussing replacing out is prohibited.

[RadiantCowbells]

when you say "bullying you is not helping" what you really mean is that i should be treating you like you're a player whose read on me should be respected when based on purely factual evidence it shouldn't.
you see anyone who deals with you based on a realistic assessment of your capabilities as being cruel or bullying when it's literally just a function of your mafia capabilities.

i'm not trying to make you feel any better or worse. i'm trying to get you to have a realistic view of yourself.
if you prove your reads to be consistent i'll follow you. there's about 5 players on this site whom i believe have better or equal reads to me, i go pretty far out of my way to work with them

but i believe that it is statistically shown by your performance over all the games that you've played that your reads on me are significantly significantly worse than random, so...

[RadiantCowbells]

like it's not bullying to say that your reads aren't that good. your reads aren't that good. would it be bullying if someone told me I had a tendency to strongarm towns?

[Time Devil]

I'm just gonna say this to Titus:

The game is stagnating, there is no benefit from you delaying hammering Rank.

-TL

[Titus]

I'll hammer rank Monday morning if I haven't done my VCA. That is worth waiting for if there's any chance Overkill could use it.

I know RC values my opinion less than dirt.

RC, I spent half the game fighting slots like you for respect. I play to learn. I doubt my win rate is as low as you say. It could be higher. It could be lower. I don't care. Each player deserves a modicum of respect, even if you trash my thoughts, regardless of your alignment.

[RadiantCowbells]

I respect you as a person and think you're nice outside of mafia games.

I don't respect your reads and won't pretend to when doing so is against town wincondition

[RadiantCowbells]

RC, I spent half the game fighting slots like you for respect. I play to learn. I doubt my win rate is as low as you say.

My statistics are accurate. You're welcome to verify.

[RadiantCowbells]

If I was in a room with Kawhi Leonard and a free throw needed to be made I wouldn't be the one making the free throw. Mafias not really different. I don't have any pointless egalitarian beliefs like everyone's reads are created equal: reads are definitely not equal. The first step to getting the respect that you want is acknowledging that your reads aren't that good and putting in a lot of hard work to improve them. Demanding respect isn't a shortcut to anything.

[RadiantCowbells]

It's not that you can't be respected.

It's that you don't just show up and be respected without earning it.

And it's a hard road and no matter what you do some people will still doubt me. People still doubt me.

But respect can be earned and earned quickly. NSG went from some newbie who derptunneled and had no scum game to the best townie on MS on one year.

Forget the past. Count your town games from here on out. Try to win as many of them as you can. Don't accept anything as a loss, learn from all your mistakes.

Take it as an invitation to grow.

[RadiantCowbells]

Just so we're clear, saying that I don't want to play with Titus was neither encouraging her to replace out or theatening my own. It's saying that she needs to change.

[BNL]

0verki11

has been prodded

[0verki11]

Can someone explain rank to me before I hang it, im tired and dont quite get what it means, It is probably the best play though

[RadiantCowbells]

basically

we get a confirmed townie at the cost of giving scum a nightkill

so we reduce the pool of nonconfirmeds from 3 to 2.

[0verki11]

ok but tell me what happens when like they just confirm titus and kill him in the same night, then we just have 3 unconfirmed people in a lylo.

[RadiantCowbells]

we don't put titus in the rank. we're guaranteed a non-titus clear.

[0verki11]

ah ok I get it now

[0verki11]

VOTE: Rank

[RadiantCowbells]

0K 1 of me/TD has to be scum. who do you think that it is?

[Something_Smart]

Vote Count 11.1.2

Rank (3): Time Devil, RadiantCowbells, 0verki11

Not Voting (1): Titus

With 4 players alive, it takes 3 to select a power.

The deadline for power selection is 1 July 2:00 UTC-4, or in (expired on 2019-07-01 02:00:00)

Rank has been selected!

[0verki11]

Not answering that yet, want to do an in-depth meta dive when im done with my homework

[0verki11]

also im pretty sure from ur PoV I can be scum as well.

[RadiantCowbells]

ok

VOTE: RC/TD

obviously it's optimal fmpov to rank 0K/TD but if Titus is concerned about me this is the exact worst setup for scum me, so i'd rather just do this.

also im pretty sure from ur PoV I can be scum as well.

well, yes. I'm talking to you as if you're town because if you're not town there's no point in talking with you.

[RadiantCowbells]

Also it forced non-me scum to kill Titus which is very nice.

[Baezu]

0K 1 of me/TD has to be scum. who do you think that it is?

Why can’t Overkill be scum?

[Baezu]

also im pretty sure from ur PoV I can be scum as well.

Exactly