Mini Normal 2081 — My First Game! [Game Over]

[Menalque]

Nrg?

[pisskop]

normal review

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[skitter30]

normal review group (? i think that's what it stands for)

the people who review the normal games to make sure they're normal

they like to stack modifiers so like any combo of those could be a thing

it prob isn't an ungated doc but that's really my only guess

[skitter30]

oh i thought it was nrg

[Menalque]

Exi dann chenn luv pls also answer

[Cinnamon]

My gut instinct is that chenn is actually a pr who just played it really weirdly.

[Cinnamon]

For the conclusion of the first part, I think that is when you have to consider his personality. It’s possible that Cinn is very stubborn. Stubbornness is a trait that’s really hard to change in part because of fluid intelligence vs. crystallized intelligence. Think of the age-old idiom “You can’t teach a old dog new tricks”. As you point it out, he’s implied that he’s played a ton IRL mafia, which means it’s still probably all he knows. It’s essentially still a part of him and thus makes it harder to change. One has to learn that though and I think that takes another level of self-awareness.

I can’t speak on the first part of the latter. Never played IRL mafia and don’t think I’d have any intentions to. I’ve seen town do the categorizing all the time though. I honestly think he’s just town who didn’t realize just how big the major leagues are. The other queues are vastly different from the Newbie queue. They don’t treat you with kids gloves and they don’t cut your PB&J sandwiches in quarters either. I think it’s very easy for newer players to behave the way Cinn has at times when they first get a taste of real mafia.

Just making sure I remember this for later. I have a response but it's not all that game relevant at this point so I'll save it for post game.

On second thought, it couldn't hurt to have the response to this now.

IRL Mafia is basically an entirely different game than this; with no ability to go into somebody's post history and instead being forced to use real-time interactions, the game plays out pretty differently. It's not all that surprising that what works in IRL doesn't have the same effect here. However, with no other experience to go off of it's what I've used until I can find the adjustments necessary to succeed here. Considering that, I think your stubbornness comment is a bit off base but the rest of it is pretty true and I haven't been sure where to go with my gameplay considering that what I've done has clearly not worked for me thus far.

[Cinnamon]

I don't Sr skitter more than cinnamon or pisskop

But I don't particularly think she's town

Let’s compromise on Mena.

I hard oppose a compromise lynch on Mena today, they're in my no lynch group for today.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Yeah modifier insert x amount of shots is common

I haven’t seen a doctor limited in terms of how many times they can protect in a Normal yet though.

[Cinnamon]

LUV can you explain why you want a lynch on Mena today?

[chennisden]

Is it likely that a doc would be gated in two different ways or just one?

I think one.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

LUV can you explain why you want a lynch on Mena today?

Same reasons as before. The flip on PK based on the claim and the way he’s attempted to caterogize and frame my play.

[skitter30]

VOTE: skitter
You've been deliberately dragging me out.

My "reason" is because I'm macho. So that's why I initially believe the claim.

Also I believe it's likely there's an rb for scum

I want to buy this and I think I do but we now have the same problem I have with PK and that’s going to bug me to no end. There was no reason to claim here and I think you have a good understanding of why you shouldn’t have unless it was absolutely needed.

The roleblocker theory is interesting but I think the NRG regardless of the setup are opposed to giving scum that role and won’t until sufficient data is shown that towns have improved. Skitter mentioned not finding a single normal of BNL’s. Do you have reviewer meta? I don’t think Performer for ongoing game reasons gives scum a roleblocker.

What do you think of the odds of a jailkeeper?

I think we should lynch chenn

[Menalque]

The fact that you're an experienced player and the reason you want me lynched is basically OMGUS is just wow

I think you want my lynch because you know I'm on you and I'm gonna keep pushing it until it happens

also did you even read my posts after my flip regarding PK's claim? bc if you did then you're either being dense or deliberately ignoring stuff

[skitter30]

Oh that quote was unrelated

[Menalque]

skitt would you compromise and go luv if we don't get a deadline freeze?

[skitter30]

I was just thinking about that, but probably
Would vastly prefer chenn tho

[Menalque]

I'm open to chenn but wanna hear from dan/exi on the gated thing before I decide

[Lil Uzi Vert]

The fact that you're an experienced player and the reason you want me lynched is basically OMGUS is just wow

I think you want my lynch because you know I'm on you and I'm gonna keep pushing it until it happens

also did you even read my posts after my flip regarding PK's claim? bc if you did then you're either being dense or deliberately ignoring stuff

I did read them and your argument is that PK was frustrated based on tone and that the claim is weird coming from scum because of the timing. I don’t want to rehash whether he was generally frustrated or not so I’ll touch on you finding the claim weird and the timing.

I find it weird to claim doc as the D1 fake claim. Like, that has the least utility for scum in terms of eliminating a PR on N1, because it’s so purely protective. I think that scum would normally prefer to claim cop/tracker or even JK over doc here, and I think that with any fake claim there’s got to be thought about the CC scenario

And yeah I think I kind of believe it — like, I think he’s been playing really bad as doc, but that adds credence to my belief that it’s real. For instance, I feel a cop would be a much better fit for a claim (trying to lead pushes, but walking close enough to the mislynch line not to be the NK) so why would scum not do that?

The fact that it’s protective is exactly why PK wouldn’t mind claiming it or jokingly claim it here in my opinion and run with it. Protective roles are usually town aligned because scum naturally don’t have a need to be protected. PK’s much more experienced than I am which means he knows how often scum can get away with claiming or fake claiming roles that are often in towns hands in order to be cleared by faulty setup speculation.

As for eliminating a PR, that’s not why scum fake claim unless it wins them the game right then and there. Scum fake claim because they have more incentive to not get lynched.

And as for the timing, I’ve pointed out I have a hard time believing PK felt he needed to claim there. You didn’t comment on that at all.

And yeah the timing is just off

If I’m scum there then I’m trying to look as town as possible — that means that I wanna keep the fact I’m doc hidden as long as possible, which means there’s no way I’m claiming before the intent comes

This whole thing reads to me as legit but really badly played doc getting frustrated

You agree on the timing but then you try to conflate what would you do as scum as the standard to justify why the claim is real. That’s not an argument at all.

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Now I could ignore all of the above but when you not only start but insist on pushing on me for things that are very idiotic like fluff posting and stating intent on someone you were scum reading, I struggle with letting go.

[chennisden]

So as I'm seeing it, what needs to be resolved is either

{LUV, Menalque} and {Chenn, skitter}.

[chennisden]

btw if you end up lynching me you def need to kill skitter the day after.

[chennisden]

Based on LUV Menalque I would probably be on LUV's side.

[Menalque]

If you are town then maybe go away and think about why that’s happening as a whole

tin-foil hat theory is that scum were informed that there was a doctor and he's expecting someone to cc

Can you not think of any other theories?

I was talking about this not about the stuff to do with frustrated tone or whatever

[Menalque]

I find it weird to claim doc as the D1 fake claim. Like, that has the least utility for scum in terms of eliminating a PR on N1, because it’s so purely protective. I think that scum would normally prefer to claim cop/tracker or even JK over doc here, and I think that with any fake claim there’s got to be thought about the CC scenario

And yeah I think I kind of believe it — like, I think he’s been playing really bad as doc, but that adds credence to my belief that it’s real. For instance, I feel a cop would be a much better fit for a claim (trying to lead pushes, but walking close enough to the mislynch line not to be the NK) so why would scum not do that?

The fact that it’s protective is exactly why PK wouldn’t mind claiming it or jokingly claim it here in my opinion and run with it. Protective roles are usually town aligned because scum naturally don’t have a need to be protected. PK’s much more experienced than I am which means he knows how often scum can get away with claiming or fake claiming roles that are often in towns hands in order to be cleared by faulty setup speculation.

As for eliminating a PR, that’s not why scum fake claim unless it wins them the game right then and there. Scum fake claim because they have more incentive to not get lynched.

And as for the timing, I’ve pointed out I have a hard time believing PK felt he needed to claim there. You didn’t comment on that at all.

And yeah the timing is just off

If I’m scum there then I’m trying to look as town as possible — that means that I wanna keep the fact I’m doc hidden as long as possible, which means there’s no way I’m claiming before the intent comes

This whole thing reads to me as legit but really badly played doc getting frustrated

You agree on the timing but then

you try to conflate what would you do as scum as the standard to justify why the claim is real

. That’s not an argument at all.

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Now I could ignore all of the above but when you not only start but insist on pushing on me for things that are very idiotic like fluff posting and stating intent on someone you were scum reading, I struggle with letting go.

the fact that you're dismissing the fact that scum should be (and are therefore likely to be) not only considering the benefits of surviving from a fakeclaim but also should it not work what has the best odds of revealing a real PR for their scumbuddy is scummy

obviously I'm going to use what I would do as scum as a basis to analyse play? like I'm always going to playing optimally to try and win, I think it's a reasonable assumption to make that others are playing to their wincon, therefore if it makes sense to me as something that I would view as optimal that helps me read and vice versa

I was pushing on you for fluff posting because I think you were being lurky, not contributing anything but trying to maintain an appearance of activity
which I think is scummy

either be active and contribute or lurk out totally and it's NAI but that specific combo is scummy

and for the millionth time it wasn't the intent it was the timing of the intent

[Dannflor]

hi I just got home

there's 30 pages from when I left

has something weird happened with claims

I'll read after I sleep but if someone wants to catch me up too that would be appreciated