Mini Normal 2081 — My First Game! [Game Over]

[Exilon]

kept going it actually felt as if he really believed what he pointed out in skitter, which is weird to me.

I dont see it

I can still buy scum!him doing that.

[Menalque]

exi/dann can you pls answer my question about the gated doctor thing? ie if we assume there is a doc and that said doc is gated then do you think it's probable that the doc would be gated in only one way or more than one?

[Menalque]

Clarity could we get another vote count pls?

[Menalque]

I mean I think he's already great for associatives.

He helps sort Pisskop, Cinn, me (from others PoV), and even LUV
Who does LUV flip help solve?

Not to mention, personally, I find LUV to be slightly more likely to be town than Menalque (I know you didn't mention this, but it's relevant to me).
But I'll try to comb their ISOs before end of day, see if I change my mind on it. But it's unlikely.

I don't see how the luv flip doesn't help solve chenn/pk/me/you?

Can you talk me through what makes me more likely scum from your perspective?

[Menalque]

also, putting this out there: I feel like the difficulty I've had in getting this wagon to go anywhere on luv indicates that he's scum too

as his scumbuddy hasn't wanted to get on and has been trying to create an alt wagon elsewhere - not sure exactly where but probs on me/cinn

which is why I still like chenn or exi for partner

[Dannflor]

exi/dann can you pls answer my question about the gated doctor thing? ie if we assume there is a doc and that said doc is gated then do you think it's probable that the doc would be gated in only one way or more than one?

I'm not experienced enough in setups to say

and it's hard to speculate about without more knowledge

but normals trend towards simplicity so one gate would be more likely

a full doc existing in tandem with macho town roles makes sense and is probably enough of a gate

I believe both the pisskop/chenn claims, mechanically neither should ever be lynched today, and I still think it's highly unlikely chenn is scum unless it's specifically chenn/pisskop as a team, but I also think that's highly unlikely.

[Cinnamon]

Dann who would you want to lynch today?

[Dannflor]

gonna shower then spend a couple hours catching up and I'll figure out an answer to that

hit me w any questions / specific things I should address while I'm doing that

[Exilon]

exi/dann can you pls answer my question about the gated doctor thing? ie if we assume there is a doc and that said doc is gated then do you think it's probable that the doc would be gated in only one way or more than one?

Why do you want my opinion on this?
Regardless, I don't have one. Setup speculation at this point feels like wasted time to me and only helps scum rolefish

I mean I think he's already great for associatives.

He helps sort Pisskop, Cinn, me (from others PoV), and even LUV
Who does LUV flip help solve?

Not to mention, personally, I find LUV to be slightly more likely to be town than Menalque (I know you didn't mention this, but it's relevant to me).
But I'll try to comb their ISOs before end of day, see if I change my mind on it. But it's unlikely.

I don't see how the luv flip doesn't help solve chenn/pk/me/you?

Can you talk me through what makes me more likely scum from your perspective?

Show me how

I don't see if for pk and chenn and definitely not me, considering his defense of me and my defense of him are NAI.

For you specifically,
- your timing of LUV's case on PK was odd; we went over this; I still find it plausible for you!scum to do;
- actually all three of these posts that you never got around to addressing when you stopped posting between 656 and 808 sum it up perfectly to me:

so the upgrade from scumlean to scumread isn't sudden at all.
I see voting as a form of engagement though. It definitely got you two talking

It feels to me like you're reacting a bit antsy there to getting voted.

I'll go back and comment on the rest as well, I just wanted to point this out.

One other thing I feel about this is that your initial vote has little to do with the reasons you're pointing out that lead to you scumreading him, which leads to some kind of weird-not-an-actual paradox where your past self is voting for him based on actions from him that hadn't yet happened.

This is a bit of an aside but I think it merits a note.

Not to mention I never got around to understanding the basis of your SR on me which from what I read amounts to "doesn't agree with my scumread on LUV", which is also weaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaak.


On the other hand, LUV has been posting interesting and thoughtful analysis which have been contributing to town positively. And that's my opinion.

also, putting this out there: I feel like the difficulty I've had in getting this wagon to go anywhere on luv indicates that he's scum too

as his scumbuddy hasn't wanted to get on and has been trying to create an alt wagon elsewhere - not sure exactly where but probs on me/cinn

which is why I still like chenn or exi for partner

I think it's probably more indicative of your case on him not being very strong to take off.
Actually why don't you do this;
go back and tell me if you feel like there's anyone that was actively responsible for shifting town's attention away from your wagon, bonus points if it seems deliberate. Cause that would be more indicative of a scum-inclined agenda, if LUV is in fact scum.

Because for me the most repsonsible for that was you (see above)

[Exilon]

EDBWOP: ooops, the htird post I mentioned in that summary is thus:

(...)

why do you dislike the timing re:pisskop? that was the whole impetus for why I started finding luv scummy, with the intent prompting me to go back and read his ISO

(...)

I think you've covered this with someone else and you're aware of it (I think skitter mentioned that it was looking like you were scum trying to avoid his partner getting lynched).
That's what I mean about timing.

It actually to me came a bit out of left field, and while I can certainly believe that his vote spurred you to go into his ISO and make a deep analysis, it still feels as if you're having a hard time letting go of some points and you seem to be grasping very hard at the notion that he must be scummy, the proof you have should be enough, and that we can find much more of it if we keep reading the ISO.

You know? It's not like you don't want to be wrong about him, it's that at some points your insistence feels similar to stalling.

[Dannflor]

the team should be in:

luv
exil
mel
dann

somewhat towny to be scum reading me at this point

especially for a player that came in under pressure like pisskop it would be much easier to play safer and stick to the more consensus reads

[Dannflor]

IF YOU ARE A POWER ROLE -- ANY POWER ROLE -- DO NOT COUNTERCLAIM. WAGON PISSKOP.

i dont understand why chennis does this

unless he hard scumreads pisskop for some reason

[Dannflor]

ehhh no I see it

Chenn is very obviously town here I think

I was cautious at first because I hate the bravado "I'm obv town" type play style, but once I get past that he's pretty much always town here imo

[Dannflor]

You know the human psyche is never simple.

Unless we're talking about sex, in which case, penis

best post in the game

[Dannflor]

The entire back and forth between Exilon and Cinnamon is incredible towny for both of them

[Dannflor]

i mean yes you slipped once but you've done a good job covering it afterwards

Where was this slip, Chenn?

[Dannflor]

Would you still scum read me Mena if I claimed cop?

This whole convo was just weird.

Agreed

I think I'm voting in [Luv/Menalque] today, not sure which yet though

[Dannflor]

chennis you need to CALM DOWN ty

[Dannflor]

I think you’re all way off on Cinn

And I think at least one person pushing this is scum probably

So exi or chen

kinda weak while voting Luv

Doesn't feel like a real defense, rather a way to say I told you so after Cinnamon flips green and then push exi or chen

Weird that Menalque omits skitter from the candidates pushing Cinnamon too?

[chennisden]

also, putting this out there: I feel like the difficulty I've had in getting this wagon to go anywhere on luv indicates that he's scum too

as his scumbuddy hasn't wanted to get on and has been trying to create an alt wagon elsewhere - not sure exactly where but probs on me/cinn

which is why I still like chenn or exi for partner

im on the wagon

[chennisden]

IF YOU ARE A POWER ROLE -- ANY POWER ROLE -- DO NOT COUNTERCLAIM. WAGON PISSKOP.

i dont understand why chennis does this

unless he hard scumreads pisskop for some reason

i did a couple hundred posts ago

the dayplay tempted me to throw the mechanical reasons out

[Dannflor]

If I get mislynched today I don't think menalque should ever be lynched. Scum menalque has no reason to come in and hard defend me vs Exilon chennis and skitter pushing when sheeoing them would not pull a scumread.

Except it doesn't feel like a hard defense. It's a frequent scum tactic to defend mislynches that look like they'll go through so they can look better for it after.

[chennisden]

i mean yes you slipped once but you've done a good job covering it afterwards

Where was this slip, Chenn?

the entire 1v1 with me

[Dannflor]

I feel like Luv is getting beetlejuiced a lot this game

[chennisden]

what does "beetlejuiced" mean, por favor?