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Post Post #725 (ISO) » Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:21 pm

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In post 719, Binary Star wrote:Plenty of good reason--DEB was widely scumread enough to be put at L-1. DEB hasn't contributed anything meaningful to progress the game state, develop reads, or make reading his slot easier. There's no indicator that DEB will do any of this if left alive. It only behooves us to lynch scum. The same 'well we can lynch it later if it survives' logic could literally be applied to ANY lynch on ANY slot on D1, too. Someone needs to eat the rope and I'm perfectly fine with the risk of losing a Doctor Enabler against the chance of catching scum here and now
No, the same logic wouldn't apply to any other slot. The logic holds when you have an unprotected slot whose death neuters a very important town role. If he towns up in later days, cool. If he doesn't, he'll be lynched for sure late game.

I think the claim more often comes from scum though - it makes sense to have a mafioso as enabler, as removing one hurts both sides. The smart play here is to leave him be, have the doctor NOT protect him, and mark him for a D3/D4 lynch unless he gives great reason not to be in later days.

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Post Post #726 (ISO) » Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:21 pm

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In post 724, NerfedBuJ wrote:I would be impressed with BOTH of you if this flips
Flipless game Buj :P

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Post Post #727 (ISO) » Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:26 pm

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In post 726, Arkham Asylum wrote:
In post 724, NerfedBuJ wrote:I would be impressed with BOTH of you if this flips
Flipless game Buj :P

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Post Post #728 (ISO) » Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:27 pm

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Have you ever seen a playerlist not too chicken to kill or lynch FL anyway? It's not impressive if he's bussing
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Post Post #729 (ISO) » Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:29 pm

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Not that he's scum here imo. He's been pretty controversial at very specific times that I don't see helping a scum agenda
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Post Post #730 (ISO) » Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:28 pm

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In post 717, Flavor Leaf wrote:DEB doesnt come up with that here on his own; he’s either true claiming as town, has that role or scum, or somebody coached him into it
Goodposting
In post 719, Binary Star wrote:
In post 714, Arkham Asylum wrote:Unless you can tell me why it's a bad idea to leave the slot and lynch it later if it survives, it's valid logic.

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Plenty of good reason--DEB was widely scumread enough to be put at L-1. DEB hasn't contributed anything meaningful to progress the game state, develop reads, or make reading his slot easier. There's no indicator that DEB will do any of this if left alive. It only behooves us to lynch scum. The same 'well we can lynch it later if it survives' logic could literally be applied to ANY lynch on ANY slot on D1, too. Someone needs to eat the rope and I'm perfectly fine with the risk of losing a Doctor Enabler against the chance of catching scum here and now.
In post 717, Flavor Leaf wrote:DEB doesnt come up with that here on his own; he’s either true claiming as town, has that role or scum, or somebody coached him into it
Why not?

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Hmmmm also goodposting.
In post 728, NerfedBuJ wrote:Have you ever seen a playerlist not too chicken to kill or lynch FL anyway? It's not impressive if he's bussing
I'm pretty sure I've gotten it done before. That's the advantage of being a tree, and not a tasty semi-flightless avian.
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Post Post #731 (ISO) » Fri Jun 28, 2019 10:02 pm

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FUCK I THOUGHT I WAS OUT OF PROD RANGE AND I DEFINITELY DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY TO POST NOW AND WHILE I MAY BE ABLE TO TOMORROW IT'S ONLY A 50/50.
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Post Post #732 (ISO) » Sat Jun 29, 2019 3:44 am

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Mastina - make this a priority? I want your input, even if you’re likely to call me scum.
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Post Post #733 (ISO) » Sat Jun 29, 2019 8:07 am

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In post 723, Flavor Leaf wrote:VOTE: Binary Store
Nice explanation, 10/10 stuff.

And it -does- apply anywhere, AA. Scum can just NOT KILL A SLOT once you've said 'oh well it sorts itself' and then we have to spend a lynch there ANYWAY or if the dude is faking he can just be like "Well obviously scum would rather shoot anywhere but me because they wanna hit the Doc/other PRs'. So, NO, it does NOT SORT ITSELF AT ALL.

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Post Post #734 (ISO) » Sat Jun 29, 2019 8:26 am

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In post 733, Binary Star wrote:And it -does- apply anywhere, AA. Scum can just NOT KILL A SLOT once you've said 'oh well it sorts itself' and then we have to spend a lynch there ANYWAY or if the dude is faking he can just be like "Well obviously scum would rather shoot anywhere but me because they wanna hit the Doc/other PRs'. So, NO, it does NOT SORT ITSELF AT ALL.
When I say sorts itself, I mean "We Lynch him D3 if he's not killed by then". Why would you try to randomly hit a PR when you have a guarantee that you'll neutralize one very important PR?

If scum just NOT KILLS him, great, our doctor's not neutered; plus DEB *can* obvtown by then.

So, YES, IT SORTS ITSELF AND IS A BAD LYNCH.

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Post Post #735 (ISO) » Sat Jun 29, 2019 8:41 am

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In post 734, Arkham Asylum wrote:Why would you try to randomly hit a PR when you have a guarantee that you'll neutralize one very important PR?

If scum just NOT KILLS him, great, our doctor's not neutered; plus DEB *can* obvtown by then.

So, YES, IT SORTS ITSELF AND IS A BAD LYNCH.
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Post Post #736 (ISO) » Sat Jun 29, 2019 8:42 am

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ANNOUNCEMENT: I have done a meta deep dive (for certain values of "deep") on DEB and it significantly weakened some of my concerns about him. I can't go into too many details for ~reasons~.

I still think he'd be a good lynch in a typical game, for policy/instructive/flip purposes, but in a flipless game where he'd be able to keep talking, it's no longer attractive to me. FL and AA are also making good points about the slot being self-sorting.

UNVOTE:

With the demise of my Binary Star scumread, I'll have to give this some thought.
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Post Post #737 (ISO) » Sat Jun 29, 2019 8:50 am

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I am beginning increasingly convinced that the lynch I want is whatever slot I never remember is in the game.

I'll let you all know who that is when I remember they're in the game.

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Post Post #738 (ISO) » Sat Jun 29, 2019 8:59 am

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In post 735, Dannflor wrote:
In post 734, Arkham Asylum wrote:Why would you try to randomly hit a PR when you have a guarantee that you'll neutralize one very important PR?

If scum just NOT KILLS him, great, our doctor's not neutered; plus DEB *can* obvtown by then.

So, YES, IT SORTS ITSELF AND IS A BAD LYNCH.
I agree with this argument too ftr.
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I'll let you all know who that is when I remember they're in the game.

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Post Post #739 (ISO) » Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:50 am

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In post 736, Pine wrote:ANNOUNCEMENT: I have done a meta deep dive (for certain values of "deep") on DEB and it significantly weakened some of my concerns about him. I can't go into too many details for ~reasons~.

I still think he'd be a good lynch in a typical game, for policy/instructive/flip purposes, but in a flipless game where he'd be able to keep talking, it's no longer attractive to me. FL and AA are also making good points about the slot being self-sorting.

UNVOTE:

With the demise of my Binary Star scumread, I'll have to give this some thought.
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Post Post #740 (ISO) » Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:03 am

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Not really.
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Post Post #741 (ISO) » Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:09 am

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In post 740, Pine wrote:Not really.
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Post Post #742 (ISO) » Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:25 am

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I'm already the most likely Night 1 kill, i dont need to give scum more reasons to kill me by giving solid cases.
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Post Post #743 (ISO) » Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:30 am

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ZZZX has requested replacement. Deadline is currently suspended, and will be reevaluated when a replacement is found.
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Post Post #744 (ISO) » Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:31 am

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Seriously @DEB, you need to stop acting so antitown in your posting. Whatever you are in this game, you’re really not doing yourself any favours. *smdh*

I like the other AA heads am convinced your doc enabler claim is real. I also trust FL town and his read on you but your attitude is hurting helpful reads on you.

What are your current reads/opinions on the players on your wagon? Thanks.

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Post Post #745 (ISO) » Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:33 am

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In post 742, Flavor Leaf wrote:I'm already the most likely Night 1 kill, i dont need to give scum more reasons to kill me by giving solid cases.
Do you seriously think scum targets you over a 5 headed hydra?

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Post Post #746 (ISO) » Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:34 am

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In post 745, Arkham Asylum wrote:
In post 742, Flavor Leaf wrote:I'm already the most likely Night 1 kill, i dont need to give scum more reasons to kill me by giving solid cases.
Do you seriously think scum targets you over a 5 headed hydra?

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Yes. Do you seriously think I don't get targeted by scum here unless they think I'm trying to get shot?

My activity level + content this game is very comparable to the majority of games that I am night 1 killed on.
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Post Post #747 (ISO) » Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:34 am

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In post 743, Jingle wrote:
ZZZX has requested replacement. Deadline is currently suspended, and will be reevaluated when a replacement is found.
ZZZX has basically siteflaked, so probably another bad wagon.

Both DEB and ZZZX wagons are bad.

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Post Post #748 (ISO) » Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:37 am

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In post 746, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 745, Arkham Asylum wrote:
In post 742, Flavor Leaf wrote:I'm already the most likely Night 1 kill, i dont need to give scum more reasons to kill me by giving solid cases.
Do you seriously think scum targets you over a 5 headed hydra?

~HQ
Yes. Do you seriously think I don't get targeted by scum here unless they think I'm trying to get shot?

My activity level + content this game is very comparable to the majority of games that I am night 1 killed on.
Because of 5 heads, we are a much bigger headache for scum, I think.

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Post Post #749 (ISO) » Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:38 am

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