Role Call I (Game Over)

[momo]

This is the second iteration. I made minor changes overall. I still haven't changed the stronger roles though.

Timid = Hidden Happiness (Shadoweh/MariaR hydra)
Vanilla = Iconeum
Inventor = popsofctown
Day 5 Innocent Child = Oversoul
Miller = apthet
Neighbour = Nero Cain
1-shot Gladiator = momo
Day 3 King = Vecna
Night 1 Universal Backup = CheekyTeeky
Neighbour = Almost50
Odd-Night Motion Detector = Gamma Emerald
Macho = Lil Uzi Vert
Inactive = Saudade
Compulsive Quitter = Sothis Stefon Styx (RadiantCowbells/Baezu hydra)

I'm all for this. You need to change the compulsive quitter to titus.

My only question is why you want to neighborize Nero? He hasn't posted much as far as I can remember. What's your logic on this one?

[Oversoul]

Aw momo, I wanted to ask her questions about that

[momo]

Aw momo, I wanted to ask her questions about that

Unless I'm being pocketed (someone tell me if I am) I don't see scum posting this. Oversoul's recent posts have also been better. He might be a townlean now.

[Titus]

Rc quits when it effects his win percentage but that's not role related

[Almost50]

My only question is why you want to neighborize Nero? He hasn't posted much as far as I can remember. What's your logic on this one?

I just think I can read Nero (and he can read me) well enough. If there are a couple who are known to have good reads on each other I am willing to give them neighbors instead (you're right about Nero not being active, but the game is still young. He

can

disappear for sometime but when he does show up he's sure to make his presence well noticed.)

[momo]

Rc quits when it effects his win percentage but that's not role related

But the events leading up to it clearly mirror scum RC replace outs (see Access Point)

[momo]

My only question is why you want to neighborize Nero? He hasn't posted much as far as I can remember. What's your logic on this one?

I just think I can read Nero (and he can read me) well enough. If there are a couple who are known to have good reads on each other I am willing to give them neighbors instead (you're right about Nero not being active, but the game is still young. He

can

disappear for sometime but when he does show up he's sure to make his presence well noticed.)

cool

[Almost50]

Rc quits when it effects his win percentage but that's not role related

Perhaps you should read his ISO before you sink yourself any deeper. He was in a hydra, so it didn't affect his winrate anyway.

Given that I don't have to try to play to winrate

over an enjoyable game experience, I'm not willing to play with that under the off chance that it's town doing it.

See?

[momo]

I think it's time we have an official proposal. I think this one is as good as any and I'll be voting for it. Even if it doesn't pass, we need the discussion.

Official Proposal

Timid = Hidden Happiness (Shadoweh/MariaR hydra)
Vanilla = Iconeum
Inventor = popsofctown
Day 5 Innocent Child = Oversoul
Miller = apthet
Neighbour = Nero Cain
1-shot Gladiator = momo
Day 3 King = Vecna
Night 1 Universal Backup = CheekyTeeky
Neighbour = Almost50
Odd-Night Motion Detector = Gamma Emerald
Macho = Lil Uzi Vert
Inactive = Saudade
Compulsive Quitter = Titus

[momo]

VOTE: FOR

[Hidden Happiness]

VOTE: Against

Uh I am not in favor of basically being a hated townie in this setup. (I don't think Maria would mind actually but she's too busy packing to stop me. )

I also can't remember any time two people screaming at each other to death was actually alignment indicative of anything but two townies being stubborn as fuck. I wouldn't support a lynch on that slot at all. I see the hydra replaced out but unless RC has literally replaced out as scum about to be lynched before I'd sooner think he realized he shouldn't be playing.

[callforjudgement]

Game status

There have been no previous proposals.
List of roles to distribute

Proposal available

(13): Hidden Happiness, Iconeum, popsofctown, Oversoul, apthet, Nero Cain, Vecna, CheekyTeeky, Almost50. Gamma Emerald. Lil Uzi Vert, Saudade, Titus

Proposal unavailable

(1): momo

Current proposal

(by momo):

• 1-shot Gladiator
  : momo
  
• Inactive
  : Saudade
  
• Day 5 Innocent Child
  : Oversoul
  
• Inventor
  : popsofctown
  
• Day 3 King
  : Vecna
  
• Macho
  : Lil Uzi Vert
  
• Miller
  : apthet
  
• Odd-Night Motion Detector
  : Gamma Emerald
  
• Neighbour
  : Nero Cain
  
• Neighbour
  : Almost50
  
• Timid
  : Hidden Happiness
  
• Night 1 Universal Backup
  : CheekyTeeky
  
• Vanilla
  : Iconeum
  
• Compulsive Quitter
  : Titus

For

(1): momo

Against

(1): Hidden Happiness

Not voting

(12): Iconeum, popsofctown, Oversoul, apthet, Nero Cain, Vecna, CheekyTeeky, Almost50. Gamma Emerald. Lil Uzi Vert, Saudade, Titus

To end day with a particular role assignment, one player must propose it, and 8 players vote for it.
Deadline is currently 00:05 UTC on Monday 15 July (

automatic countdown: (expired on 2019-07-15 00:05:00)

). It will be extended when a proposal is made.

Unofficial vote count

Saudade

(2): Iconeum, Saudade

Hidden Happiness

(2): Iconeum, popsofctown

Nero Cain

(1): Oversoul

Vecna

(1): Hidden Happiness

These votes don't do anything, but I'm counting them anyway.

[Oversoul]

Rc quits when it effects his win percentage but that's not role related

Real time image of Titus watching the fireworks.

[momo]

VOTE: Against

Uh I am not in favor of basically being a hated townie in this setup. (I don't think Maria would mind actually but she's too busy packing to stop me. )

I also can't remember any time two people screaming at each other to death was actually alignment indicative of anything but two townies being stubborn as fuck. I wouldn't support a lynch on that slot at all. I see the hydra replaced out but unless RC has literally replaced out as scum about to be lynched before I'd sooner think he realized he shouldn't be playing.

The reason is, you've basically replaced oversoul as a scumread for me.

RC, who I think is scum, wanted you to be the backup. That means someone who has an excuse for not eating an early NK and would get any power the scum team wants them to if they're scum.

If RC flips scum, you are almost certainly scum.

If he doesn't, that means you have an above average change of being town and you get a legit PR tmmrw.

[momo]

Rc quits when it effects his win percentage but that's not role related

Real time image of Titus watching the fireworks.

What's your vote? I'm assuming a yes based on your previous posts, but since you're online, you might as well do something official.

[Oversoul]

I think it's time we have an official proposal. I think this one is as good as any and I'll be voting for it. Even if it doesn't pass, we need the discussion.

Official Proposal

Timid = Hidden Happiness (Shadoweh/MariaR hydra)
Vanilla = Iconeum
Inventor = popsofctown
Day 5 Innocent Child = Oversoul
Miller = apthet
Neighbour = Nero Cain
1-shot Gladiator = momo
Day 3 King = Vecna
Night 1 Universal Backup = CheekyTeeky
Neighbour = Almost50
Odd-Night Motion Detector = Gamma Emerald
Macho = Lil Uzi Vert
Inactive = Saudade
Compulsive Quitter = Titus

I don't agree with CheekyTeeky being backup. I think Almost should get that role. I also still want the neighbor role, but if Nero is going to have the other one I will pass.

[Oversoul]

Rc quits when it effects his win percentage but that's not role related

But the events leading up to it clearly mirror scum RC replace outs (see Access Point)

Can you link this game?

[momo]

Rc quits when it effects his win percentage but that's not role related

But the events leading up to it clearly mirror scum RC replace outs (see Access Point)

Can you link this game?

This game

He wasn't about to be lynched, but he was being pressured. Things were turning against him.

Everything I said in this post can be confirmed.

[momo]

I think it's time we have an official proposal. I think this one is as good as any and I'll be voting for it. Even if it doesn't pass, we need the discussion.

Official Proposal

Timid = Hidden Happiness (Shadoweh/MariaR hydra)
Vanilla = Iconeum
Inventor = popsofctown
Day 5 Innocent Child = Oversoul
Miller = apthet
Neighbour = Nero Cain
1-shot Gladiator = momo
Day 3 King = Vecna
Night 1 Universal Backup = CheekyTeeky
Neighbour = Almost50
Odd-Night Motion Detector = Gamma Emerald
Macho = Lil Uzi Vert
Inactive = Saudade
Compulsive Quitter = Titus

I don't agree with CheekyTeeky being backup. I think Almost should get that role. I also still want the neighbor role, but if Nero is going to have the other one I will pass.

I agree with you on almost being an idea backup. That said, at least one of the neighbors should be a strong tr and idk if cheeky fits that description. She's town, but idk how strong.

The problem with giving you neighbor means that nero would become Day 5 IC. a50 says he can read nero. And given your D1, I would say that you are one of the few viable options for D5 IC that I actually see making it to D5 with that role.

[Hidden Happiness]

The reason is, you've basically replaced oversoul as a scumread for me.

RC, who I think is scum, wanted you to be the backup. That means someone who has an excuse for not eating an early NK and would get any power the scum team wants them to if they're scum.

If RC flips scum, you are almost certainly scum.

If he doesn't, that means you have an above average change of being town and you get a legit PR tmmrw.

That is a whole ass jank reason for doing this. You're basically proposing to neuter me forever but tomorrow if you're WRONG you'll give me an apology gift. Do you not think Timid is as crippling as I think it is or something? This is ignoring what I think of you thinking I'm scum because RC didn't hate me..

Wait did RC replacing out as scum about to get lynched actually happen

[Hidden Happiness]

..I'm not fixing that. I tried to gif post and I am a failure.

[Oversoul]

I think it's time we have an official proposal. I think this one is as good as any and I'll be voting for it. Even if it doesn't pass, we need the discussion.

Official Proposal

Timid = Hidden Happiness (Shadoweh/MariaR hydra)
Vanilla = Iconeum
Inventor = popsofctown
Day 5 Innocent Child = Oversoul
Miller = apthet
Neighbour = Nero Cain
1-shot Gladiator = momo
Day 3 King = Vecna
Night 1 Universal Backup = CheekyTeeky
Neighbour = Almost50
Odd-Night Motion Detector = Gamma Emerald
Macho = Lil Uzi Vert
Inactive = Saudade
Compulsive Quitter = Titus

I don't agree with CheekyTeeky being backup. I think Almost should get that role. I also still want the neighbor role, but if Nero is going to have the other one I will pass.

I agree with you on almost being an idea backup. That said, at least one of the neighbors should be a strong tr and idk if cheeky fits that description. She's town, but idk how strong.

The problem with giving you neighbor means that nero would become Day 5 IC. a50 says he can read nero. And given your D1, I would say that you are one of the few viable options for D5 IC that I actually see making it to D5 with that role.

If that is the case, would you really want Cheeky then becoming one of the few good roles that we have? I actually agree with reasoning for the Innocent Child role, it is just actually not a fun role. I was an innocent child once and everyone ignored me. And I still made it to LyLo. I feel like that is going to happen again.

[momo]

The reason is, you've basically replaced oversoul as a scumread for me.

RC, who I think is scum, wanted you to be the backup. That means someone who has an excuse for not eating an early NK and would get any power the scum team wants them to if they're scum.

If RC flips scum, you are almost certainly scum.

If he doesn't, that means you have an above average change of being town and you get a legit PR tmmrw.

That is a whole ass jank reason for doing this. You're basically proposing to neuter me forever but tomorrow if you're WRONG you'll give me an apology gift. Do you not think Timid is as crippling as I think it is or something? This is ignoring what I think of you thinking I'm scum because RC didn't hate me..

Wait did RC replacing out as scum about to get lynched actually happen

Timid truly isn't terrible though. Like you can't propose but proposals are discussed unofficially beforehand. You can make one, convince even one person, and it gets put up officially. And if you can't convince one person, it wouldn't have passed in the first place.

Also giving people a role because you like them isn't legit. You give them roles to further your wincon (town or scum). If he's scum, the role he gives you furthers his wincon if you are scum. If he's town, that means he thought you were town.

[momo]

I think it's time we have an official proposal. I think this one is as good as any and I'll be voting for it. Even if it doesn't pass, we need the discussion.

Official Proposal

Timid = Hidden Happiness (Shadoweh/MariaR hydra)
Vanilla = Iconeum
Inventor = popsofctown
Day 5 Innocent Child = Oversoul
Miller = apthet
Neighbour = Nero Cain
1-shot Gladiator = momo
Day 3 King = Vecna
Night 1 Universal Backup = CheekyTeeky
Neighbour = Almost50
Odd-Night Motion Detector = Gamma Emerald
Macho = Lil Uzi Vert
Inactive = Saudade
Compulsive Quitter = Titus

I don't agree with CheekyTeeky being backup. I think Almost should get that role. I also still want the neighbor role, but if Nero is going to have the other one I will pass.

I agree with you on almost being an idea backup. That said, at least one of the neighbors should be a strong tr and idk if cheeky fits that description. She's town, but idk how strong.

The problem with giving you neighbor means that nero would become Day 5 IC. a50 says he can read nero. And given your D1, I would say that you are one of the few viable options for D5 IC that I actually see making it to D5 with that role.

If that is the case, would you really want Cheeky then becoming one of the few good roles that we have? I actually agree with reasoning for the Innocent Child role, it is just actually not a fun role. I was an innocent child once and everyone ignored me. And I still made it to LyLo. I feel like that is going to happen again.

Ignoring an IC is literally the stupidest decision you can make in a mafia game. I won't do that for sure.

It isn't fun tbh, but since you're basically guaranteed to not be lynched until D5, you'll def get some other roles.

As for Cheeky getting backup, this is an excellent opportunity to sort her. I don't want to say too much because then scum will easily be able to WIFOM my logic, but I think Cheeky is town. This can confirm it. Calculated risk.

[Almost50]

VOTE: For

@Oversoul: I don't think you need worry about CT being the backup. If pops gets popped as Inventor I'm sure he hands out Activated Hero tonight, so the remaining 3 inventions are: BG (useless for scum), Fruit Vendor/Visitor (useless for scum), and Announcing Mailman (Not totally useless but not overly dangerous).

Basically the Inventor's real power is for N1 (and since there are no Roleblockers then scum will have to guess who Pops is going to hand it to in order to stop him), but then he's still not a great kill.

momo as the Gladiator? Then what? Preventing a Gladiator shot (for the price of having it themselves) is a bad idea. First off, chances are the Gladiator shot is going to end up between 2 townies anyway, so why take the chance and guarantee one scum is in it??

D3 King (Vecna) is also a stupid kill considering they'd be giving both the Gladiator and the Inventor the chance to use their roles. Then the distribution of roles on D3 has to be agreed upon BEFORE the proposal is official or it will be treated as explicit scum claim.

One of the Neighbors then? Sure.. but then CT is and easy read for both myself and Nero (not as easy as cake, but not as hard as rock either). Nero even tends to SR her everytime, so that'd be bad for her if she's scum.

That leaves us with the Motion Detector, which is the weakest investigative role ever.

In short, I'd worry more about who got the original role(s) than if Cheeky inherited them.