Role Call I (Game Over)

[Lil Uzi Vert]

y?

Strong town reads should receive negative utility roles or useless roles to discourage scum from killing them.

[Iconeum]

VOTE: for

[Nero Cain]

What made you change your mind?

[Iconeum]

You were right that saying you were inactive this game is a thing. The distribution of the roles is fine for me, I have no reason to not accept that proposal.

[Nero Cain]

I still don't get it but I'm too tired to think rn.

[Iconeum]

V/LA weekend

[Vecna]

Rc quits when it effects his win percentage but that's not role related

But the events leading up to it clearly mirror scum RC replace outs (see Access Point)

aye, theres other examples as well, I think my previous game

[Vecna]

VOTE: Against

Uh I am not in favor of basically being a hated townie in this setup. (I don't think Maria would mind actually but she's too busy packing to stop me. )

I also can't remember any time two people screaming at each other to death was actually alignment indicative of anything but two townies being stubborn as fuck. I wouldn't support a lynch on that slot at all. I see the hydra replaced out but unless RC has literally replaced out as scum about to be lynched before I'd sooner think he realized he shouldn't be playing.

twice, actually, in recent memory

[Vecna]

I think it's time we have an official proposal. I think this one is as good as any and I'll be voting for it. Even if it doesn't pass, we need the discussion.

Official Proposal

Timid = Hidden Happiness (Shadoweh/MariaR hydra)
Vanilla = Iconeum
Inventor = popsofctown
Day 5 Innocent Child = Oversoul
Miller = apthet
Neighbour = Nero Cain
1-shot Gladiator = momo
Day 3 King = Vecna
Night 1 Universal Backup = CheekyTeeky
Neighbour = Almost50
Odd-Night Motion Detector = Gamma Emerald
Macho = Lil Uzi Vert
Inactive = Saudade
Compulsive Quitter = Titus

I don't agree with CheekyTeeky being backup. I think Almost should get that role. I also still want the neighbor role, but if Nero is going to have the other one I will pass.

I agree with it at large, but also wouldnt mind a little finetuning here ans there

[Saudade]

Whats inactive

[callforjudgement]

Game status

There have been no previous proposals.
List of roles to distribute

Proposal available

(13): Hidden Happiness, Iconeum, popsofctown, Oversoul, apthet, Nero Cain, Vecna, CheekyTeeky, Almost50. Gamma Emerald. Lil Uzi Vert, Saudade, Titus

Proposal unavailable

(1): momo

Current proposal

(by momo):

• 1-shot Gladiator
  : momo
  
• Inactive
  : Saudade
  
• Day 5 Innocent Child
  : Oversoul
  
• Inventor
  : popsofctown
  
• Day 3 King
  : Vecna
  
• Macho
  : Lil Uzi Vert
  
• Miller
  : apthet
  
• Odd-Night Motion Detector
  : Gamma Emerald
  
• Neighbour
  : Nero Cain
  
• Neighbour
  : Almost50
  
• Timid
  : Hidden Happiness
  
• Night 1 Universal Backup
  : CheekyTeeky
  
• Vanilla
  : Iconeum
  
• Compulsive Quitter
  : Titus

For

(3): momo, Almost50, Iconeum

Against

(1): Hidden Happiness

Not voting

(10): popsofctown, Oversoul, apthet, Nero Cain, Vecna, CheekyTeeky, Gamma Emerald. Lil Uzi Vert, Saudade, Titus

Iconeum is V/LA this weekend.
To end day with a particular role assignment, one player must propose it, and 8 players vote for it.
Deadline is currently 00:05 UTC on Monday 15 July (

automatic countdown: (expired on 2019-07-15 00:05:00)

). It will be extended when a proposal is made.

Unofficial vote count

Saudade

(2): Iconeum, Saudade

Hidden Happiness

(2): Iconeum, popsofctown

Nero Cain

(1): Oversoul

Vecna

(1): Hidden Happiness

These votes don't do anything, but I'm counting them anyway.

[Nero Cain]

I haven't really thought about the roles that I'd want. I'd be fine with anything but Inactive, Macho or Compulsive Quitter .

[Saudade]

What does inactive do

[Nero Cain]

it makes you unable to post for the rest of the game.

[apthet]

Early on for me Saudade is a scumread. I think he falls neatly into the archetype of confident, relaxed scum who wants to get through the early game smoothly and position himself well. 71 seems kind of all-around not a good post. I don't like the way he presented his thought (the shower thing seems extraneous in the way the scum would like people to think they're engaging with the game) nor do I like the thought itself (the first thing I did was think "what role would my original role synergize with the most" and I think that anyone who isn't vanilla would also think of that).

I don't really know what to make of Vecna. That statement about "let's just let people do what they want, it makes for a more interesting game" seems like a town sentiment but I don't really see why town would feel motivated to type that out and press Submit. My heart is telling me that this is a town thing to say though.

Here's a new strategy: Let's all in to games we know we won't play. Like, if you're on a holiday. or if you have exams, or you have a new job.. you're wedding is within a week.. etc.

I'm guessing you're not American, then.
170 is like, moving unusually rapidly into WIFOM it feels like. Reads to me like a bit of an overreaction.

If apthet is going to take Friday off from work and combine the weekend into a 5 day vacation I'm definitely with you, though, I missed Pokémon Ruby Mafia because I knew I had a 1 week vacation coming up.

You're in luck. I'm one of three people in my office right now.

momo's big list in 187 is a good way to anchor my thoughts. First of all, good effort. Regardless of momo's alignment I think he makes a lot of intelligent points. One thing I do like that his strongest townread on Vecna is just a shrug as far as justification goes. It feels right to me and something that scum faking a readslist would not easily think of doing.
Other things...

• Almost50 is leaning slightly scum for me at this point. Good to know about the tone meta thing, though. momo I'd appreciate if you could link a few games that made you think this (also serving the dual purpose of holding you accountable to these claims).
  
• I like his justification for the Iconeum read.
  
• Lil Uzi Vert is a nullread for me. I'm not sold on the neighbors being town as too anti-scum for scum to propose. Would need to see more from him.
  
• I don't know what to make of RC. RC, the game I played with you, you were far more engaged as town even when mentioning that you were probably going to get nightkilled and whatnot, and its weird to see you sort of prematurely turn away from this game for the same reason. Why is this game different for you?
  
• I don't agree with the Oversoul read but I don't necessarily have any reasons to think he's town. I have no experience with him but my intuition tells me he is kind of a person who has a naturally scummy tone.
  
• I'm with you on Saudade though.
  
• Also, I'm a she.

I don't like the way popsofctown shuts down the preflip associatives in 194. I think it fits with the archetype of scum that is focused on seeming to be rational, picking holes in arguments and lines of questioning here and there to look helpful. I also think that momo's theory is the focal point of the game at this point and his only response is to shut it down.

206 reads as a post I would make in his situation as town.

It seems like momo and RC have some kind of history and that's informing this argument? RC feels really different from the game I played with him. I get the sense he feels very emotionally different about this game and I feel like there are layers to peel back: my brain says momo is on the townier side of the argument but I feel like I can't commit to that. In any case, that back and forth was vaguely unpleasant to read.

I already think momo's proposed scumteam isn't very good so I'm ok with them being ejected

What. This statement is ridiculous. Bless your heart.

Rc quits when it effects his win percentage but that's not role related

What.

This sounds to me like a serious accusation to bring into a game. If this is true that is despicable and possibly a trust tell. Why did you replace in knowing this? Why the hell is this an accusation you're making in public and not with the game mod? Can anyone back this up? Does callforjudgement need to be involved?

Also, Vecna's posts on page 15 all feel very good.

[Saudade]

it makes you unable to post for the rest of the game.

What the fuck no

[Saudade]

VOTE: against

[Saudade]

Punkass cow moomoo go eat grass

[Saudade]

All these people scumreading are in for a shock

[Gamma Emerald]

@momo:

1- Why do you SR RC?
2- My point was "you can SR RC all you want, but getting him lynched w/o an explicit guilty is a pain in the arse", and I see no other investigative roles on the list top use on the slot.

Baezu's silence, the connections in between my other scum reads and him. Especially paired with his normal activity, both in games and around sites. It would be a really smart move for scum RC to declare that he's going to lurk day one.

Of my 3 SRs, I would probs lynch RC last. However, if any one of those two flip scum, the ties to RC become much stronger.

Either way, RC is very hard to read. The best use of the

inactive

role, imo, would be for someone like RC. If he is town, then great. He can help us scum hunt and the incentives to lynch a player like RC would be much lower if we make him inactive. That way town RC stays alive and helps us.

If he is scum, then he can't use any abilities.

Giving RC inactive is probably the easiest decision we have to make today.

This also works out perfectly because the HH hydra is hard to read. Day 5, we get a confirmed read. Just swapping those two would make your proposal better.

I might be weird, but I want to give you one of the worst abilities. Youre already so solidly town, and putting in the good work that youll never be lynched. Make scum kill a terrible ability when they want to get rid of you.

This makes sense

[Saudade]

I am relaxed because finally i play a game that i really dont care if i win or lose

[Nero Cain]

it makes you unable to post for the rest of the game.

What the fuck no

of course im kidding, dillhole

[Saudade]

Theme games aint competitive but a chill lounge so giving me the mute role is out of the question for me

[Saudade]

it makes you unable to post for the rest of the game.

What the fuck no

of course im kidding, dillhole

What kind of jesus are you

[Saudade]

Fuck it ill read it myself