Role Call I (Game Over)

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I don't trust pops enough to give them UB

Hmm... why? And what would you give him?

pedit:

Why not Vert? I have Cheeky as scumlean and trapping a potential scum with a Gladiator seems like a really good idea.

Mainly because she can be impulsive and hot headed as town.

[Almost50]

I kinda want neighbor but I'll defer

You can only have the Neighbor if you have someone specific you think you can read with good precision. Who do you think you

can

read well?

Me and cheeky are perfect for that

I'll consider it if Cheeky confirms

[Almost50]

oh then we should get the neighbor roles so that cfj doesn't have to bother making a Private Topic I guess.

Huh?

I believe this was a joke in response to aphtet joking she was popsofctown's roommate.

Oh!! Thanks a bunch

[Almost50]

I am offering up a competing proposal so that we more evenly spread out PRs to prevent mostly easy nightkill choices

propose:

Big snip

Once a proposal has been made, no more proposals may be made until voting on that proposal ends (and attempts to do so will be ignored).

Come on, people. How hard is it to read the mechanics of the game??

[Oversoul]

vote: against

My B. I did not see that

[momo]

While I do not need my proposal to be the final one, I would greatly prefer it to what is being proposed rn.

Giving the gladiator role to someone like Cheeky is highly sus imo. The gladiator will basically decide the D2 lynch. If it falls into scum hands, they can basically garuntee a mislynch. They chose someone that is scummy, say that they scumread this person, and think that this is the way that town needs to go.

Also, I doubt scum is going to kill anyone (me or otherwise) because of their roles because there is a backup. The kill will be based on how people have been playing.

The three most essential roles are Gladiator, King, and Backup. All three of those roles need to be strong TRs. As someone who is widely townread, (and knows that I myself am of course town), to me it makes sense to give me one of these roles. I'm aware that this may sound blatantly scummy to some people, but honestly, it's fact. Scum have daychat. If they want me dead, I'm gone anyways.

[momo]

While I do not need my proposal to be the final one, I would greatly prefer it to what is being proposed rn.

Giving the gladiator role to someone like Cheeky is highly sus imo. The gladiator will basically decide the D2 lynch. If it falls into scum hands, they can basically garuntee a mislynch. They chose someone that is scummy, say that they scumread this person, and think that this is the way that town needs to go.

Also, I doubt scum is going to kill anyone (me or otherwise) because of their roles because there is a backup. The kill will be based on how people have been playing.

The three most essential roles are Gladiator, King, and Backup. All three of those roles need to be strong TRs. As someone who is widely townread, (and knows that I myself am of course town), to me it makes sense to give me one of these roles. I'm aware that this may sound blatantly scummy to some people, but honestly, it's fact. Scum have daychat. If they want me dead, I'm gone anyways.

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't trust pops enough to give them UB

Hmm... why? And what would you give him?

pedit:

Why not Vert? I have Cheeky as scumlean and trapping a potential scum with a Gladiator seems like a really good idea.

I feel like their post about "letting the perfect get in the way of the good" was rather shady. I was abstaining for similar reason, mostly to collect info to determine if I should vote for as I did like some things but other I didn't like or understand.

And I agree a scummy person is an okay choice for Gladiator.

[momo]

I don't trust pops enough to give them UB

Hmm... why? And what would you give him?

pedit:

Why not Vert? I have Cheeky as scumlean and trapping a potential scum with a Gladiator seems like a really good idea.

I feel like their post about "letting the perfect get in the way of the good" was rather shady. I was abstaining for similar reason, mostly to collect info to determine if I should vote for as I did like some things but other I didn't like or understand.

And I agree a scummy person is an okay choice for Gladiator.

I disagree, completely.

For town, the path if Titus (RC) flips scum is clear, lynch Hidden Happiness.

However, a scummy gladiator could force a decision in between themselves and another scummy person. If we lynch the declared, the fact remains that we are set back a day.

Or we could lynch the other person.

This leaves two paths. We lynch the declarer.

Or the other person flips scum.
And the declared could have been busing and is left with a presumption of innocence throughout the game.

Gladiator absolutely needs to go to a townread slot.

Seriously, there are like three relevant roles that are really important to go town (king, gladiator, backup). 4 if you count one of the neighbor slots.

There is no reason to give one of these slots to someone you aren't townleaning/ have a townread on. There have been enough active people in this game to fill the important roles, the roles that control the action of the town, with towny people.

To suggest a need to do otherwise is blatantly misguided and not optimal play for the town wincon.

There are more towny players than important roles. Therefore, towny players should be left in charge of the important roles.

[Gamma Emerald]

To elaborate, scum wouldn't be able to gladiate two other people so scum would be on the table

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm not saying we need to give scum the Gladiator. I'm saying it is not the end of the world.

[Oversoul]

To elaborate, scum wouldn't be able to gladiate two other people so scum would be on the table

Yeah exactly. I think Gladiator is probably the one role that scum does not want

[Nero Cain]

Who are your top 3 town reads momo?

[popsofctown]

how about we generate consensus that gladiator is an antitown role and that actually using the shot is a scumclaim
and just give it to one of the 80% of the playerbase that doesn't do stuff like fake guilty results as town and lolhammer before the claim in opens.

[momo]

Who are your top 3 town reads momo?

Pops, vecna, and you

[momo]

how about we generate consensus that gladiator is an antitown role and that actually using the shot is a scumclaim
and just give it to one of the 80% of the playerbase that doesn't do stuff like fake guilty results as town and lolhammer before the claim in opens.

I could get behind this. If u can’t convince the town, u shouldn’t be forcing their hand anyways.

[popsofctown]

Some people pull off a gladiate without the PR actually anyway. There's a dayplay pattern for it.

[momo]

Here are the roles you get to allocate for Day 1! Each role must be given to one player, and each player must get a role.

Day 1 Role Call

• 1-shot Gladiator
  (
  Day
  ): Once in the game, during the Day when no proposal is being voted on, you may challenge a player via bold post in the game thread ("
  Challenge:

  player
  "). All proposals that day are invalid unless they give the Compulsive Quitter role either to you, or to the player you challenged.
  
• Inactive
  (
  Passive
  ): For the rest of the game, proposals that give you a
  Day
  or
  Night
  action are invalid.
  
• Day 5 Innocent Child
  (
  Passive
  ): If you are Town-aligned, your alignment will be publicly revealed at the start of Day 5.
  
• Inventor
  (
  Night
  ): Once each on four Nights in the game, you may grant a new night action to a player in the game (other than yourself). Each of these actions may be given once:
  
  Spoiler: Inventions

  • 1-shot Bodyguard
    (
    Night
    ,
    Protective
    ): Once in the game at Night, choose a player other than yourself. Any
    Eliminate
    actions aimed at that player will be deflected onto you.
    
  • 1-shot Friendly Neighbour
    (
    Night
    ): Once in the game at Night, choose a player other than yourself. If you are Town-aligned, the moderator will confirm that fact to the chosen player. (If you use this ability when not Town-aligned, it acts as a Visitor, i.e. it targets that player but has no further effect.)
    
  • 1-shot Activated Hero
    (
    Night
    ): Once in the game at Night, you may activate this role. On the following Day only, if an accepted proposal would give you the Compulsive Quitter role, you swap places in that proposal with the player who proposed it (so they end up with the Compulsive Quitter role, and you take the role they gave themself).
    
  • 1-shot Announcing Mailman
    (
    Night
    ): Once in the game at Night, you may send the moderator a message, who will forward it on to a player of your choice. The message will be marked as having come from a Mailman, but the moderator will not confirm who sent it (until after the game).
• Day 3 King
  (
  Passive
  ): On Day 3, no other player will be able to propose; as the last remaining player with a proposal, your proposal will therefore be accepted automatically, without voting.
  
• Macho
  (
  Passive
  ):
  Protective
  roles will fail when used on you.
  
• Miller
  (
  Passive
  ): All other roles will interact with you as though you were Scum, regardless of your actual alignment.
  
• Odd-Night Motion Detector
  (
  Night
  ): Once on each odd-numbered night, you may choose a player, and will learn whether or not there was motion involving that player that night. A player has motion involving them if they use a
  Night
  action, or if a
  Night
  action is used on them, or both.
  
• Neighbour
  (
  Passive
  ): You will gain access to read and post in the Neighbour private topic, and may use it to discuss the game with the other players there.
  
• Neighbour
  (
  Passive
  ): You will gain access to read and post in the Neighbour private topic, and may use it to discuss the game with the other players there.
  
• Timid
  (
  Passive
  ): You cannot make proposals.
  
• Night 1 Universal Backup
  (
  Passive
  ): At the end of Night 1, you will automatically gain the role of the player who was eliminated Night 1.
  
• Vanilla
  (
  Passive
  ): This role doesn't do anything.
  
• Compulsive Quitter
  (
  Twilight
  ): You immediately leave the game and are eliminated.

Game status

There is no active proposal.
There have been no previous proposals.

Proposal available

(14): Hidden Happiness, Iconeum, popsofctown, Oversoul, apthet, Nero Cain, momo, Vecna, CheekyTeeky, Almost50. Gamma Emerald. Lil Uzi Vert, Saudade, Sothis Stefon Styx

Proposal unavailable

(0):

nobody

To end day with a particular role assignment, one player must propose it, and 8 players vote for it.
Deadline is currently 00:05 UTC on Friday 12 July (

automatic countdown: (expired on 2019-07-12 00:05:00)

). It will be extended when a proposal is made.

Gladiator - Gamma Emerald
Inactive - Saudude
D5 IC - Almost50
Inventor - Iconeum
D3 King - popsofctown
Macho - CheekyTeeky
Miller - Vecna
Odd Night Motion Detector - apthet
Neighbor - Lil Uzi Vert
Neighbor- momo
Timid - Hidden Happiness
N1 Universal Backup - Nero Cain
Vanilla - Oversoul
Compulsive Quitter - Titus

[momo]

If i could make a proposal now, that ^^^ would be it.

Thoughts?

[momo]

You can always reinvent yourself as scum and you always need to be doing stuff that people won't point to recent scum experiences and be like HEY HE DID THAT AS SCUM.

That said I went undefeated as scum in 2018 while only actually trying in one game and pretty much just lurking the rest of them so you can get away with that even.

Rolling scum is like pressing the easy button

That’s RC in a mafia discussion thread in January. He is def scum.

[popsofctown]

does he count replace-outs as defeats?
I count them as defeats.

[Nero Cain]

Who are your top 3 town reads momo?

Pops, vecna, and you

namaste

but y vecna?

[momo]

As a general guideline for how we go about this:

Id propose that people that usually get killed off early due to great gamesolving skills get the low impact or negative utility roles, to balance effectiveness of scum nightkills. No doubt thisll result in quite some discussion, which is exactly what the doctor ordered.

the main interesting ones that dont appear that interesting is what well do with the passives. Miller, VT, useless person, etc.

we should just turn this into a monarchy and make me the permanent king.

wed ptobably loose badly, but id have fun

I have an off feeling about a50.
His posts really feel to me like hes trying to immitate his towngame, but it feels different from what im used, slightly less genuine

I have an off feeling about a50.
His posts really feel to me like hes trying to immitate his towngame, but it feels different from what im used, slightly less genuine

like, 152 and 153 dont really feel like things hed nornally get irritated over?

159 isnt really something youd make a surprised post about?

Feels a bit like just grasping for stuff to comment on.

Ill see myself out

Found the slot that's gonna be my "pain in the neck" all game. The last game it was Alchemist, so I hope you'll have the same courtesy as him and apologize post game.

For now, carry on..

yikes

I'm getting at that a difficult to read player seems like the best fit for the IC role.

That would be RC (The SSS hydra) then. They're hard to lynch without a hard guilty, yet everybody wants to lynch them from the word go anyway.

If the RC hydra is scum, theyll probably try for a flawless victory anyway, which means day5 is too late of a sorting for the slot.

Bad allocation there id say.

This is a terrible post. Why are you trying to appeal to fear like this? People talk up RC's reputation a lot but suggesting he can protect all of his partners with 100% reliability is flat absurd.

This is not me appealing to fear. Day5 is too late to sort a slot like RC, and if hes town scum will likely jave killes him by then. So IC is wasted there. You can disagree all you like, but the IC is much better used on a person more likely to survive that.

Oversoul - Finally oversoul. He opens by saying "these roles are lame." He also requested roles. On top of this, Oversoul had light buses on both RC and Sadude. Nothing substantial and nothing he needs to commit to, but they are there. This one for Sadude and this one for RC. He is right, RC is active, and he is directing this scum game.

I feel like you are incredibly off base with your reads this game if you're going to base the entire scumteam around me. You are too influenced by your own confirmation bias that I

must

be scum. Please read your own reasoning for me being scum.

"Oversoul thinks these roles are lame" Ok.
"Oversoul then ASKS for one of those lame roles" Ok.
"Therefore, Oversoul must be scum"

The only thing I can conclude from your scumread on me is that your preconceived notions about how scum would play this game are entirely wrong since I am your strongest scumread and I

know

you're wrong about that.

1. Objectively, these roles are lame. I was thinking we would get more basic things like 1-shot vigilante, tracker, roleblocker, macho cop, etc. Instead, we got a motion detector, several mechanic specific day abilities, and a slew of negative utility passive abilities. I came into this game thinking it was going to be role madness. Obviously that is not the case.
2. I chose a role that I felt like I could actually 1) have fun with, and 2) give benefit to the town. I think I am pretty good at needling people to better understand their motivations. I love neighborhoods, masons, etc. It is like a game within the game. I really do not see why scum would objectively want neighborhood when it has no bearing on actual night play (at least as far as Night 1 goes).

You seem to be holding me to

your

standard of play when it comes to these reads and what

you

would do. I very much doubt that you and I play similarly. The answers to my questions about Saudude and RC would be very helpful for me to ascertain their general motivations in this game. If Saudude has done this type of contradictory behavior, then it would help frame is motivations as not scummy. Additionally, if RC likes being scum and would try, then his lack of trying would help frame is motivation as not scummy.

Pedit:

No he is not. I thought Almost was Alchemist.

This feels like a very honest town-post to me.

Vecna, do you have experience playing with Gamma Emerald?

Also, I do, but its been really hit or miss for me to read his alignment. I used to be able to catch him fairly easily as scum, but he changed up his game and it has become a lot harder for me to tell his alignment.

And when Titus replaces into a scum-slot it usually becomes apparent really quickly. Regardless, I agreed with most of Momo's posts on RC. Its been so long since I saw an RC towngame that I probably dont even remember what that looks like though.

All of these posts struck as me town because of context (originality), nuance, and shifting but well maintained opinions (thought process seems reasonable)

Idk vecna but given that he has been around for a few years, I’m assuming that he wouldn’t be afraid to bus as scum. So him taking against the grain reads feels town.

Also most ppl, as scum, put more thought into posts then as town. Much less open. This leaks into their posts. The tone feels very genuine and I like that.

[Vecna]

Eh I agree with Nero somewhat, it's better to not provoke him as it imo becomes harder to read him if he gets riled up. That said I think the clearest method to read him I've come up with only works if he gets riled up.

dont do crack cocaine boys n girls

[Vecna]

VOTE: against

I don't really like the idea of vecna as king someone come up with a better plan

Thats the one thing you have against it? I think people are vastly overstating the.importance of the role.

The only important parameter is to not assign it to scum just in case they get caught by day three, and do a desperate action and fuck up that day and all its actions. assigning it to.me accomplishes that.

Besides, maybe itll increase the odds of scum nking me early. somehow, i feel that would please you