Mini 2084: Pokemon Ruby Mafia - Game Over

[RedPanda]

I'm not voting chemist even if he's lurking and one my third scumread. Today I just can't compromise gamma.

[Creature]

I wonder if Chemist is like "oh they only want me to post not lynch me lets see what happens if i dont post"

[RedPanda]

prob thinks he might get lynched for posting.

[RedPanda]

Pinkball if you know your playstyle is scummy, you should change it. Sometimes I feel like you are playing this way to make people overthink that you are playing too scummy to be scum.

[Creature]

I don't recall Gamma catching up the way he did this game. Should probably check that up.

[Creature]

I could trust most of your townreads, but I don't think I can trust you on Gamma being the best lynch today.

[RedPanda]

is it because you don't trust me or m skill?

[Creature]

is it because you don't trust me or m skill?

I don't trust your ability to read Gamma well enough.

[Creature]

I hard townread dp day 1 after his posts on cinnamon.

luv

tim dp and you

Yet you hammered him?

[RedPanda]

Well I never use meta or I use it bare minimum

[RedPanda]

I hard townread dp day 1 after his posts on cinnamon.

luv

tim dp and you

Yet you hammered him?

I think the self vote was just bad play. I couldn't justify my townread after that. That was just scum gambit or town gambit to not get lynched and It was only day 1 and it's better to lynch people who try that shit. I wish Luv didn't replace out.

[Chemist1422]

What do you make of Chemist being clearly online in the online list yet intentionally dodging this thread?

why does everyone assume I do this

[Chemist1422]

like I have to have some sort of priority list, and I can't have every game be #1

that's just facts, sad as they may be

[Creature]

I wish Luv didn't replace out

Me too. Probably wouldn't have lynched him.

Your excuse seems like something scum could easily pull, but guess you can easily get awsy with it anyway.

[Chemist1422]

Creature how confident are you that you can solve this game

[Creature]

I'm about one of the most capable to rn if not the most.

[Creature]

Or I can get killed and my reads will be forgotten.

[Detective Pikachu]

like I have to have some sort of priority list, and I can't have every game be #1

that's just facts, sad as they may be

sure, but you can convince us that if you're town you're worth keeping alive

[Chemist1422]

like I have to have some sort of priority list, and I can't have every game be #1

that's just facts, sad as they may be

sure, but you can convince us that if you're town you're worth keeping alive

I'm not good at that though

I'm about one of the most capable to rn if not the most.

That doesn't answer my question

I'll reword it, how confident are you that you could win the game if you had control of every lynch?

[RedPanda]

I'm going to sleep.

[Chemist1422]

I'm going to sleep.

ok night

I think Creature is town but I’m waiting for his response to my question

[Creature]

I'll reword it, how confident are you that you could win the game if you had control of every lynch?

Would say about decent chance. Can't guarantee I won't go wrong sometimes though.

[Gamma Emerald]

creature I'm sure you weren't happy with your reads after tim flip so why don't you just sheep me today. You can use the gamma flip to judge my slot and reevaluate your pine read.

Firstly this is wrong, second this feels like scum trying to bargain into a mislynch

[Gamma Emerald]

Spoiler:

Read like the first 4 pages and have some opinions already

this feels like it's a v plausible fake after reading through everything, seeing pressure on his slot, and then posting this to talk about how he wasn't trying to obv!town bc he didn't know his slot was being pressured

also can't remember the numbers but wasn't Cinn pressure starting around p4? need to check that

I played pokemon red when it came out. it was okay

haven't touched the stuff since

but making animals fight each other is cruel. did you know that millennials who consider themselves pokemon fans are less likely to think dog fighting is wrong than those who don't? yeah, that's some messed up stuff, huh?

If you don't like the games and are going to bash others for liking them like this, get the fuck out now. I'm not gonna tolerate this at all. Also, where is your evidence for the dog fighting claim?

this felt v aggressive unneccesarily and like setting up a reason to go after urap!slot (aka me) later which did then happen, but he can talk it off by lacing it as being about Pokemon (as we see later)

Interested to hear some thoughts from the following people:

u r a person 2
Lil Uzi Vert
Cinnamon
ClearlyClarity

Lurker scum can be pretty dangerous. These four haven't posted much yet.

At this point feeling Espresso is town. Liking their instincts.

I think espresso seems scummy early game but is just mislynch bait -- to actually read him as town (or as town without mentioning that the reason for it is that he seems super mislynch-y) is weird and pocketing

Choo choo

Don’t you mean...

Pika-choo choo?

Pikachu is town and I’m not seeing any non-RVS reasoning for his wagon tbh

Call me back when something cool happens.

This isn't good imo

think this is him seeing that CC is a good potential slot that also replaced out and deciding that pushing there will make him look town

also CC is an easy push because she hasn't done anything towny but equally hasn't done anything scummy, so it's a great way to look like he's productive while not focusing on any of the important players and whether or not they're town

{TG, CC, EP} is a good starting ground

What about CC's posting was town?

more of this

Call me back when something cool happens.

Kk, so you have DP as town. Any scumreads?

You made your vote in Klick in RVS. Do you still agree with your vote? Why/why not?

By "something cool" I don't mean "interrogate me because I'm on your arbitrary lurker prodlist" but w/e.

You're my biggest scumread rn. Klick is like... muddled. 105 was kinda bad but they actually try to scumhunt, even if misguided or reaction-testy.

My problem with CC is that they were kinda coasting by and were acting like they weren't the reason the game is slow.

and more of going after CC for just slow playing, I don't think she ever made claims that the game being slow wasn't to do with her, so this is misrepping

dang

i feel like both CC and EP are pretty hard town after that last interaction

like i guess CC might just be playing super well but i think i'm pretty happy clearing them both.

I can actually understand this given the previous post by CC

backing off it but he's created some susp on that slot to come back to if his other desired push (urap!slot aka me) doesn't come off

cinnamon and cc are scum. Will post in sometime.

Now that I've come around on CC I don't like this post, feels like targeting LHF lurkers

RP is correctly SRing Cinn so there's a pushback here in the same way that he'll do to me when I correctly SR Cinn on my entrance

I was waiting for both cinnamon and clearity reactions to my post to vote for the scummier one but since clearity is ignoring this game, I'm forced to choose.

I don't like that cinnamon ignored my post. Seems like cinnamon is scared of a back and forth that might happen.

Vote cinnamon

Still wanna hold to this push now that they've replaced out?

this is a weird way to try and deflect pressure

I'm trying to learn everyone's name before pushing anyone

...ok. How is this coming?

VOTE: Pink Ball
Their last post doesn't mesh with their activity level or what I feel like their personality is

I think the last two are distancing probs

That's a pretty bad entrance?

Also I spoke to cinnamon unrelated to this game and he had a family member in the hospital; you're kind of pushy about this Cinnamon didn't siteflake thing.

But he didn’t though? Didn’t know about the family in hospital thing and I’m sorry to hear it but doesn’t change the fact that he didn’t

Yeah you're coming off as irl scum so really back this the fuck up

hyper aggressive overreaction

clearly my arguments on Cinn aren't being accepted at this point and I wasn't getting much traction

why freak out like this? bc gamma is scum and he knows I've got him, and probs pissed off that it isn't even bc of his play but bc of the play from Cinn beforehand

I’ve played with Cinn before and there’s no way that slot is town lol

Where did I say “Cinn never does C as town”? I’m saying that I think Cinn was playing completely out of character here from what I know of him, and I’ve read some of his meta and think it seems off for that too

The whole family thing does throw me off a bit, but I also think it makes total sense for Gamma to come in and try to be as obv town as possible as the cinn!slot was getting somewhat scumread when he entered the game

I wasn't trying to obvtown I was trying to revive a game I perceived as stalled

the lack of contribution (just vaguely hitting at my slot, painting CC as potential scum which was easy) means this doesn't hold up

I’ve played with Cinn before and there’s no way that slot is town lol

Where did I say “Cinn never does C as town”? I’m saying that I think Cinn was playing completely out of character here from what I know of him, and I’ve read some of his meta and think it seems off for that too

The whole family thing does throw me off a bit, but I also think it makes total sense for Gamma to come in and try to be as obv town as possible as the cinn!slot was getting somewhat scumread when he entered the game

So Cinnamon playing out of character is enough to call him obvscum, but you say to not judge you off your own obvtown game you had? Not buying it.
VOTE: Menalque

I now have two town games although admittedly I couldn't talk about it at the time -- but could easily have looked at my user and read a bit of that game where I was also p obv town based on flips by this point and my play in that game is much more similar to here

There is someone in this game who can vouch for me being good at detecting scum town!faking after pressure versus genuine town

Also I noted I read only the first few pages as soon as I entered so what makes you think I felt I was under pressure?

easy, I think you're lying about only reading the first few pages as you entered

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Yaaaaay

LOLOLOLOL

TIM IS RC.

So does this reinforce you opinion about Tim?

i don't know what it makes me think

Ok

contributing nothing but looking active

I caught scum last game for this same behaviour

Hey look at that, everyone's scumreading me, that means even my partners agree I should be wagoned

This feels so trite

think this light interaction is distancing

note that gamma never votes pink

I feel like historically I've been a shit ton of games where I was the only one who scumread someone playing hyper aggressively and I usually ended up being right
I think that -oh that confidence is towny- isn't good logic here. scum would need to do something big with this entrance with how tight the PoE pool already is. this is a situation to make a push like that.

why not apply this to gamma?

I wasn't hyper aggressive though, just hyper active
Did you see me go for someone's neck out of the gate?

yeah I saw you be hyper aggro on urap

then go in on the CC slot

even if your phrasing was calmer the intention was there

That was essentially gatekeeping

convenient excuse when pressed

less convincing given how you jumped on me which is the same slot

I could see that
Anything else? About yourself or anyone else

Could you expand?

asking Qs but not really advancing the game in a solve-y way

Be more specific

I want know what is informing some of your reads rn, I'll say Creature Tim and Espresso for now

I started calling people attention and wanted to analyze whoever called me scum at the begining of the game, then see what their intentions could be. People who didn't call me scum at the begining didn't deserve analysis.

Creature because of the way he started posting. There was no need for his classic bullet posting shenanigans at the begining of the game but he did it anyways so I think he wasn't trying to look town but instead just being town.

Tim because when he's scum he waits for me to call him scum before calling me scum 'cause he knows that's the best way to disengage with me 'cause I don't like being called scum when I'm town. He scumread me before I said my read on him so he genuinely thinks I'm scum and there's no agenda behind. He knows I'm not an easy mislynch so he would've tried to push a wagon on me already instead of leaving me for later.

Espresso I can't recall but I think it was solely because he called me scum at the right time.

That's why LUV is scum too by the way, he townread me for my tone when there was starting to be some consensus on me being scum. That kind of "hot takes" without explanation are just to look good in case I get lynched.

That works, I don't feel like lynching PB at this point because this is pretty good and I want yo give him a chance to contribute later

so -- distancing. he's talking about how PB is scummy but shouldn't be lynched while also never putting a vote there or seriously pushing it

we all see how this is distancing yeah?

how r we doing distancing from each other? do u think they believe it?

woops wrong thread.

zzzz
VOTE: Firebringer

hops on the FB wagon at a convenient time to make sure the mislynch goes through

also why not more concern that PB -- who you were scumming -- was on that wagon

Did Menalque post that case at all, if not at this point he should probably be lynched

yeah being lazy is a good reason to lynch someone, sure

from the very start of this I can tell the logic is twisted to fit the conclusion so I'm not engaging with Menalque at all until I see some evidence to the contrary

[Gamma Emerald]

@Menalque Gamma did vote me though. Your case seems to be reactive to Gamma pushing you instead of genuine scumreading him, but sure, let's lynch him, I don't like him alive either.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

L-1

Hey look at that, everyone's scumreading me, that means even my partners agree I should be wagoned

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