Role Call I (Game Over)

[Vecna]

And before anyone asks: Most others have been townier, with the exception of a few low effort'ish slots.

Not sure which of those or the tryhards id pick as my third. HH feels like a bad fit with either of those two as scum

[Oversoul]

Odd-Night Motion Detector: Lil Uzi Vert I haven't actually been paying too much attention to the proposals until now, but this is the role I'd prefer to get. I think it has potential to synergize well with

my role

, although there's no guarantee that it will really pay off in any impactful way

Could you explain the underlined bit? Are we not all just vanilla townies?

[momo]

UNVOTE:

[popsofctown]

Odd-Night Motion Detector: Lil Uzi Vert I haven't actually been paying too much attention to the proposals until now, but this is the role I'd prefer to get. I think it has potential to synergize well with

my role

, although there's no guarantee that it will really pay off in any impactful way

Could you explain the underlined bit? Are we not all just vanilla townies?

Apthet can multiact her factional rolestop

[callforjudgement]

Game status

Failed proposals:

Spoiler: momo's proposal

• 1-shot Gladiator
  : momo
  
• Inactive
  : Saudade
  
• Day 5 Innocent Child
  : Oversoul
  
• Inventor
  : popsofctown
  
• Day 3 King
  : Vecna
  
• Macho
  : Lil Uzi Vert
  
• Miller
  : apthet
  
• Odd-Night Motion Detector
  : Gamma Emerald
  
• Neighbour
  : Nero Cain
  
• Neighbour
  : Almost50
  
• Timid
  : Hidden Happiness
  
• Night 1 Universal Backup
  : CheekyTeeky
  
• Vanilla
  : Iconeum
  
• Compulsive Quitter
  : Titus

For

(4): momo, Almost50, Iconeum, Saudade

Against

(7): Hidden Happiness, popsofctown, Nero Cain, Oversoul, Titus, Lil Uzi Vert, Vecna

Not voting

(3): apthet, CheekyTeeky, Gamma Emerald

Spoiler: Vecna's proposal

• 1-shot Gladiator
  : Almost50
  
• Inactive
  : Saudade
  
• Day 5 Innocent Child
  : Nero Cain
  
• Inventor
  : Iconeum
  
• Day 3 King
  : momo
  
• Macho
  : CheekyTeeky
  
• Miller
  : Vecna
  
• Odd-Night Motion Detector
  : Lil Uzi Vert
  
• Neighbour
  : popsofctown
  
• Neighbour
  : Gamma Emerald
  
• Timid
  : Hidden Happiness
  
• Night 1 Universal Backup
  : apthet
  
• Vanilla
  : Oversoul
  
• Compulsive Quitter
  : Titus

For

(2): Vecna, Lil Uzi Vert

Against

(7): Titus, Oversoul, Nero Cain, popsofctown, momo, CheekyTeeky, Almost50

Not voting

(5): Iconeum, Saudade, apthet, Gamma Emerald, Hidden Happiness

Current proposal

(by popsofctown):

• 1-shot Gladiator
  : Hidden Happiness
  
• Inactive
  : Saudade
  
• Day 5 Innocent Child
  : Gamma Emerald
  
• Inventor
  : popsofctown
  
• Day 3 King
  : momo
  
• Macho
  : CheekyTeeky
  
• Miller
  : Nero Cain
  
• Odd-Night Motion Detector
  : Lil Uzi Vert
  
• Neighbour
  : Oversoul
  
• Neighbour
  : Almost50
  
• Timid
  : Iconeum
  
• Night 1 Universal Backup
  : Vecna
  
• Vanilla
  : apthet
  
• Compulsive Quitter
  : Titus

For

(5): popsofctown, Nero Cain, Almost50, Oversoul, Saudade

Against

(3): Hidden Happiness, Titus, Vecna

Not voting

(6): Iconeum, apthet, Gamma Emerald, CheekyTeeky, Lil Uzi Vert, momo

List of roles to distribute

Proposal available

(11): Hidden Happiness, Iconeum, Oversoul, apthet, Nero Cain, CheekyTeeky, Almost50, Gamma Emerald, Lil Uzi Vert, Saudade, Titus

Proposal unavailable

(3): momo, Vecna, popsofctown

To end day with a particular role assignment, one player must propose it, and 8 players vote for it.
Deadline is currently 00:05 UTC on Sunday 21 July (

automatic countdown: (expired on 2019-07-21 00:05:00)

). It will be extended when a proposal is made.

Unofficial vote count

Saudade

(1): Saudade

Hidden Happiness

(1): Iconeum

Vecna

(1): Hidden Happiness

Iconeum

(1): Oversoul

Nero Cain

(1): popsofctown

These votes don't do anything, but I'm counting them anyway.

[popsofctown]

VOTE: CheekyTeeky

[Saudade]

VOTE: cheekyteeky

[Nero Cain]

and if the worst argument against giving you IC is "ill jus tget shot n4" then im not all that bothered? four days of play is a lot in a 14 player setup, abd the game could be over already before.

then shouldn't you be trying to get IC if you believe that?

Also, you can't ask my opinion on getting it and then fuss at me for giving my opinion.

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: against

Titus, how would you feel about a Vecna or Icon lynch?

[Nero Cain]

If it's your goal to live past N4, why not go for some of the lesser roles?

you do realize that in the current proposal I am a miller and I was ok with that.

[Gamma Emerald]

If my proposal doesn't pass, as new proposals are generated I want people to look at the miller and universal backup assignments that are in mine and the other one that got close to passing and reuse those. Because the idea that mafia are playing dumb about this NK strategy stuff and trying to reroll until they get a mafia miller is horrifying to me.
The mafia are even less likely (I guess I shouldn't say even less likely, enough of you seem to refuse to see this the same way as me that at least a couple have to be town) to perceive an proposal as being flawed because it has a strong optimal play of shooting a certain PR slot, because they know which slots are town and scum and can plan the hypothetical N1 kill and look at how the hypothetical N1 kill moves onto the N1 backup. It's kind of like as a beginner at chess it's a little easier to see that a move makes check if you're allowed to physically move the chess piece into that position and will be able to take it back if you don't like how it looks, versus having to imagine possible moves. So they're the ones pretending not to follow because they see it's an acceptable position because townies are taking it, but they're actually hoping for a miller reroll. Don't give it to them. You can reroll the motion detector into whatever the worst possible position is, I don't care, but a miller deepwolf scares me.

What the fuck does a Miller deepwolf do?

[Titus]

@Nero, I would lynch icon. I am like 90% confident in Vecna town.

@Gamma, Allows pops to make noise. Logic says miller and macho are better for scum.

[Almost50]

Logic says miller and macho are better for scum.

Was this meant to be "scum would prefer to have them" or "better for town to give to scum"?

[Nero Cain]

I don't really like the idea of giving scummy players a miller role b/c assuming we get a cop @ some point they can just use but "im a miller" as an excuse for why they invested as red. Miller should go to someone that's town and a that's being heavily town read by the majority.

I dunno why scum would ever want macho.

[Gamma Emerald]

@Nero, I would lynch icon. I am like 90% confident in Vecna town.

@Gamma, Allows pops to make noise. Logic says miller and macho are better for scum.

I really don't get it so you're gonna have to spell it out for me.

[Titus]

Logic says miller and macho are better for scum.

Was this meant to be "scum would prefer to have them" or "better for town to give to scum"?

The second.

[Gamma Emerald]

I understand that better, but I don't think that's what pops was saying.

[Titus]

@Nero, I would lynch icon. I am like 90% confident in Vecna town.

@Gamma, Allows pops to make noise. Logic says miller and macho are better for scum.

I really don't get it so you're gonna have to spell it out for me.

Miller = scum vanilla. If scum get miller, all cop results are guaranteed accurate.

[Nero Cain]

All other roles will interact with you as though you were Scum, regardless of your actual alignment.

scum getting miller doesn't stop them from investigating as red it just gives them an excuse for investing as red.

[Gamma Emerald]

Actually hold up has it been asked what happens if a Miller uses FN? By the wording of the Miller ability it might not be a failure

[Titus]

Actually hold up has it been asked what happens if a Miller uses FN? By the wording of the Miller ability it might not be a failure

The suggestion is that this would fail. I got roasted for suggesting this combo hard.

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok so it's been guessed but not confirmed.

@Mod if a Miller used a Friendly Neighbor ability would it fail?

[callforjudgement]

Ok so it's been guessed but not confirmed.

@Mod if a Miller used a Friendly Neighbor ability would it fail?

It would act the same way as if scum had used it, i.e. act like a Visitor ability.

[popsofctown]

I just wanted to get the inventor role and change my avatar to Miu.

But none of you will let me have a nice thing.

[Oversoul]

I feel like we are spending an inordinate amount of time discussing role distribution and kind of just accepting Titus's death which is making me paranoid. I think the most important roles to actually distribute is the miller for obvious reasons and potentially Day 3 King, but to a lesser extent. I think we need to refocus because there seems to be some consternation about Titus and Not-Titus.