Newbie 1943: Crosswords (Game Over)

[TemporalLich]

Alright might as well mediumclaim:

I know 300% Phone's "claim" is a fakeclaim

[Spangled]

What on Earth are you even talking about? There's two players out of 9 actively pushing against your lynch as hard as they can right now! In the last two pages!

There's no counterwagon.

Cyrus being against my wagon isn't going to derail the wagon.

But it is resistance. I hate to play a semantics game but you're dodging the truth of Sera's statement.

Pedit:
What do you propose then, cyrus?

[Spangled]

Alright might as well mediumclaim:

I know 300% Phone's "claim" is a fakeclaim

A cop claim. Alright.
If there are real PRs out there, could one claim?
And if anyone lolhammers you are trying to gamethrow.

[Spangled]

Or you're scum.

[cyrus62]

spangled how many games have you playd on here i say wait till another se comes if they feel the need to push for clime then they can i wont add intent and you cant so temp dont say a word till you get intent . wait for red or another se to tag in

[TemporalLich]

But it is resistance. I hate to play a semantics game but you're dodging the truth of Sera's statement.

Yeah I will concede on that, but I don't think I have a chance of surviving to D2.

[cyrus62]

phones not here to cc so we cant be sure but i say move on since theres no cc.

[Spangled]

This is my first town game, I will admit.
But if no CC is forthcoming for a while I'll say Temporal is Cop.

And remember that SEs are not allknowing, and they can be scum.

Pedit:
And Robb isn't here either.

[Spangled]

Okay.
So, Sera, everyone, for now let's assume Temporal is conf!town.
Who is scum?

[cyrus62]

waits for them to thow stones at me for standing by who i thought was pr .

[Spangled]

cyrus, I think you're town.
What I do want to know is - why did you think Temporal was a PR?

[Adorable]

So that explains why Temp was suspicious of Phone's post on page 2. I have seen alot of town flip flopping and they do this because they try to figure out who is scum and they sometimes get mislynched for flip flopping.

[cyrus62]

cyrus, I think you're town.
What I do want to know is - why did you think Temporal was a PR?

the way he plays prs would try to fight a lynch as much as a scum since they know them dieing hurts the town more then a normal town which states they, could be liring i'll give you that but untill a cc is made we have to count it as truth.

also the way they are picking who they think are scum could be a hint on who they going to check at night,

[Sera Masumi]

are you realy willing to get are only pr killed.

Um, Cyrus, how do you know we only have 1 PR?

Like, only two setups out of 9 have only one PR.

This really reads like a scum that knows there are only Goons, and therefore assumes that we're in C1 or C2. Admittedly C3 also exists which means it isn't a slam-dunk slip, but can someone explain why Cyrus is assuming this when as a PR or vanilla townie he would have no reason to believe the odds are greater than 2/9?

PREDIT:
I would like to point out that even if there is no CC even after someone replaces in, Temporal could be betting on this being C2, C3, B2, B3, or A2. Like this whole thing reeks of theater between Cyrus and Temporal to me, and I genuinely don't believe that a cop claim says this

The fact there's no resistance on my wagon means I might be done for.

And why does Temporal!Cop think this when if he is a cop there is a 75% of a doc being in the setup?

I don't think I have a chance of surviving to D2.

But we're not lynching a claimed cop today when this can become clearer later on in the game, so

UNVOTE:
VOTE: cyrus62

Also can somebody explain what Cyrus' "There are no CCs, let's assume this is legit" is about when 2 players had posted up to that point, one of whom was him, and one slot that can't CC if they even want to?

@Spangled- If you really don't want to go to Cyrus even after all this, I'm willing to vote Cyan since they've done nothing for me this game and are the weakest remaining read. But I'm genuinely be shocked if at least one of Temporal and Cyrus isn't scum at this point.

[cyrus62]

i now however scum red spangled and the new guy for pushing for a pr clime so easy.

[Spangled]

So that explains why Temp was suspicious of Phone's post on page 2. I have seen alot of town flip flopping and they do this because they try to figure out who is scum and they sometimes get mislynched for flip flopping.

Aye, but Temporal's flip-flopping looked opportunistic to me.
But! That debate is over for now. We are assuming Temporal is conf!town for now.
Adorable, who do you think is scum?

Pedit:
Anyone tries to fight their own lynch hard.
Can you elaborate on that second point; what about their scumreads made you think about those being hints on who they were going to check?
Do you mean the flip-flopping?

[cyrus62]

are you realy willing to get are only pr killed.

Um, Cyrus, how do you know we only have 1 PR?

Like, only two setups out of 9 have only one PR.

This really reads like a scum that knows there are only Goons, and therefore assumes that we're in C1 or C2. Admittedly C3 also exists which means it isn't a slam-dunk slip, but can someone explain why Cyrus is assuming this when as a PR or vanilla townie he would have no reason to believe the odds are greater than 2/9?

PREDIT:
I would like to point out that even if there is no CC even after someone replaces in, Temporal could be betting on this being C2, C3, B2, B3, or A2. Like this whole thing reeks of theater between Cyrus and Temporal to me, and I genuinely don't believe that a cop claim says this

The fact there's no resistance on my wagon means I might be done for.

And why does Temporal!Cop think this when if he is a cop there is a 75% of a doc being in the setup?

I don't think I have a chance of surviving to D2.

But we're not lynching a claimed cop today when this can become clearer later on in the game, so

UNVOTE:
VOTE: cyrus62

Also can somebody explain what Cyrus' "There are no CCs, let's assume this is legit" is about when 2 players had posted up to that point, one of whom was him, and one slot that can't CC if they even want to?

@Spangled- If you really don't want to go to Cyrus even after all this, I'm willing to vote Cyan since they've done nothing for me this game and are the weakest remaining read. But I'm genuinely be shocked if at least one of Temporal and Cyrus isn't scum at this point.

i could ask you the same how do you know its not i made a guse . and its safer to think this way for town

[Sera Masumi]

i could ask you the same how do you know its not i made a guse . and its safer to think this way for town

I don't know it's not, but as somebody that doesn't know scumteam makeup, I also know there is a 7/9 chance that this is not the case. Why did you state as essentially fact the thing that has a 22% chance of being true. Why did you default to that as a guess?

[Spangled]

i now however scum red spangled and the new guy for pushing for a pr clime so easy.

Why?
Could you flesh your reads on us out a bit?

[cyrus62]

Spoiler:

are you realy willing to get are only pr killed.

Um, Cyrus, how do you know we only have 1 PR?

Like, only two setups out of 9 have only one PR.

This really reads like a scum that knows there are only Goons, and therefore assumes that we're in C1 or C2. Admittedly C3 also exists which means it isn't a slam-dunk slip, but can someone explain why Cyrus is assuming this when as a PR or vanilla townie he would have no reason to believe the odds are greater than 2/9?

PREDIT:
I would like to point out that even if there is no CC even after someone replaces in, Temporal could be betting on this being C2, C3, B2, B3, or A2. Like this whole thing reeks of theater between Cyrus and Temporal to me, and I genuinely don't believe that a cop claim says this

The fact there's no resistance on my wagon means I might be done for.

And why does Temporal!Cop think this when if he is a cop there is a 75% of a doc being in the setup?

I don't think I have a chance of surviving to D2.

But we're not lynching a claimed cop today when this can become clearer later on in the game, so

UNVOTE:
VOTE: cyrus62

Also can somebody explain what Cyrus' "There are no CCs, let's assume this is legit" is about when 2 players had posted up to that point, one of whom was him, and one slot that can't CC if they even want to?

@Spangled- If you really don't want to go to Cyrus even after all this, I'm willing to vote Cyan since they've done nothing for me this game and are the weakest remaining read. But I'm genuinely be shocked if at least one of Temporal and Cyrus isn't scum at this point.

so becuse i stood up for a pr i am scum playing this way isnt going to win this for you lot


pre edit i am a glass half empty kind of guy when i play scatch offs lucks never on my side so why should this game be any diffent . for all we know temp could be lieing as well as theres another row that saids doc and jail keep so do i know the set up no , could i be wrong yes

[Spangled]

@Sera
I do think this is just cyrus' mode of thinking, and doing this, and he might have been caught up in the idea that it was C1.
But it gives him better scum equity, for sure, and while I don't think I'll consider him as a lynch today, I'll think about it.

Pedit:
But, cyrus, you stated it as a certainty before. You're now admitting it could be different when someone else pointed it out.

[cyrus62]

i now however scum red spangled and the new guy for pushing for a pr clime so easy.

Why?
Could you flesh your reads on us out a bit?

you dint like that did you however i am willing to bet temp now feels the same so if your town all you did was make temp waste thire check and get them kill so yes your play is scum i will pull a red and say i dont need cases i will let the cards fall where they will,
town dose not pr hunt only scum do.

[Spangled]

RedFlavor is still ignoring this game.

[Spangled]

i now however scum red spangled and the new guy for pushing for a pr clime so easy.

Why?
Could you flesh your reads on us out a bit?

you dint like that did you however i am willing to bet temp now feels the same so if your town all you did was make temp waste thire check and get them kill so yes your play is scum i will pull a red and say i dont need cases i will let the cards fall where they will,
town dose not pr hunt only scum do.

We were not hunting for PRs, we were looking for scum. I honestly believed that Temp was scum; I can't help that. Then when he was softing PR he was lost to the NK anyway.
We couldn't have done anything different.

[Sera Masumi]

[quote="In [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11088888]I do think this is just cyrus' mode of thinking, and doing this, and he might have been caught up in the idea that it was C1.
But it gives him better scum equity, for sure, and while I don't think I'll consider him as a lynch today, I'll think about it.
[/quote]

Alright, I can at least admit that "worst case scenario thinking" is a possibility, even if that isn't really how he phrased it. It reads like a slip to me, but I do agree that there are alternative hypotheses. I'm going to keep myself there until I convince myself Cyan is somehow a better lynch or it's what I have to consolidate on, though.

RedFlavor is still ignoring this game.

RedFlavor contributing more could only help, yes, I do agree. I prefer Cyan over Red, but if he keeps this up my good will is probably going to run out sooner rather than later. I'd prefer if he isn't the lynch today, though.

Anyway, catching the Red Eye now, and then going to catch some shut-eye. Probably for the best if more than 4 people got to participate in the game anyway.