Mini 2082: Hall of Mirrors I (Game Over!)

Formerfish · Post Post #1975 (ISO) » Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:07 pm

In post 1974, Sherlock Holmes wrote:
In post 1971, Formerfish wrote:Its more that you attacked me for having bad reads but I dont know who you are so i dont know if that was a bad game or if youre lying.
I might have been overstating how bad your reads were honestly, although you did have a very vocal scumread on me which was very distracting to my process which is more what I was thinking of when I said you had bad reads. I don't actually remember your reads on hardly anyone else; maybe they were fine.

Ok, now that you are backtracking, would you be willing to reach out to me post game and we can talk privately?

Sherlock Holmes · Post Post #1976 (ISO) » Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:07 pm

btw Pine's vote was a hammer

Formerfish · Post Post #1977 (ISO) » Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:11 pm

fucking hell, it was.

Ok. Now we wait.

Professor Moriarty · Post Post #1978 (ISO) » Mon Jul 08, 2019 4:27 pm

I wanted to end the world, but I'll settle for ending yours.

Professor Moriarty · Post Post #1979 (ISO) » Mon Jul 08, 2019 4:29 pm

VC 4.2

Garmr (4)- MariaR, Sherlock Holmes, Gamma Emerald, Pine
MariaR (1)- Formerfish

Not voting (2)- Dunnstral, Garmr

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2019-07-17 16:00:00)

Mod notes: quack

Professor Moriarty · Post Post #1980 (ISO) » Mon Jul 08, 2019 4:33 pm

Garmr was Gar

mrdrd

. He was a...

Spoiler:

Professor Moriarty · Post Post #1981 (ISO) » Mon Jul 08, 2019 4:36 pm

The mafia have been shattered!
Congratulations to the town on winning Mini 2082!!

scum pt here
neighbourhood pt here
dead pt here
mod pt here

Skygazer · Post Post #1982 (ISO) » Mon Jul 08, 2019 4:37 pm

/consent to neighborhood being released

Skygazer · Post Post #1983 (ISO) » Mon Jul 08, 2019 4:37 pm

(if it matters)

Skygazer · Post Post #1984 (ISO) » Mon Jul 08, 2019 4:37 pm

g o o d game

Dunnstral · Post Post #1985 (ISO) » Mon Jul 08, 2019 4:40 pm

I was onto all the mafia but didn't lynch any of them

Professor Moriarty · Post Post #1986 (ISO) » Mon Jul 08, 2019 4:40 pm

In post 1985, Dunnstral wrote:I was onto all the mafia but didn't lynch any of them

big mood
your reads were great

Professor Moriarty · Post Post #1987 (ISO) » Mon Jul 08, 2019 4:42 pm

scum pt + hood pt will be released in 48 hours if no objections
(expired on 2019-07-11 14:00:00)

Sherlock Holmes · Post Post #1988 (ISO) » Mon Jul 08, 2019 4:43 pm

GG

Thanks for running the setup, Moriarty. I think this is way less townsided on paper. Day 1 scum hood lynch really swung things toward town though. Also the vanilla cop rolled well.

ISO · Post Post #1989 (ISO) » Mon Jul 08, 2019 4:48 pm

I think this is very close to correct balance for a MS game
Have a look at the mod pt for the full setup (SS is almost certainly an evil genius). Idk if I was scum in this situation I think I would've riddled Maria with bullets asap and claimed the n4 info

Formerfish · Post Post #1990 (ISO) » Mon Jul 08, 2019 4:48 pm

Sherlock, can we find a table, chit chat?

ISO · Post Post #1991 (ISO) » Mon Jul 08, 2019 4:51 pm

Hey Sherlock I'm devastated you lived til endgame. If you died and I caught it I was going to send you a pm saying

Subject: Reichenbach Falls
body: "and this time I'm not going with you. *dead thread link*"

Dunnstral · Post Post #1992 (ISO) » Mon Jul 08, 2019 4:53 pm

In post 1989, the worst wrote:I think this is very close to correct balance for a MS game
Have a look at the mod pt for the full setup (SS is almost certainly an evil genius). Idk if I was scum in this situation I think I would've riddled Maria with bullets asap and claimed the n4 info

I'm wary of games where mafia don't really get to decide who they kill

Scum got to choose who to kill on night 1, and then they had to kill the vanilla cop, and then there were 3 cleared town

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1993 (ISO) » Mon Jul 08, 2019 4:56 pm

In post 1979, Professor Moriarty wrote:
VC 4.2
Garmr (4)- MariaR, Sherlock Holmes, Gamma Emerald, Pine
MariaR (1)- Formerfish

Not voting (2)- Dunnstral, Garmr

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2019-07-17 16:00:00)

Mod notes: quack

Thank God I didn't have to actually lynch Maria, I still felt my reasons for town reading her were good but if it was between FFish and her I knew it wasn't gonna be FFish that got lynched.

Sherlock Holmes · Post Post #1994 (ISO) » Mon Jul 08, 2019 4:58 pm

In post 1989, the worst wrote:I think this is very close to correct balance for a MS game
Have a look at the mod pt for the full setup (SS is almost certainly an evil genius). Idk if I was scum in this situation I think I would've riddled Maria with bullets asap and claimed the n4 info

Maybe

I can imagine the setup having bad gamefeel for scum; being all non-vanilla they are given no reason to think they should test the vanilla cop claim n1 only to the learn it generates full innos the next day. I can kinda see why scum play fell apart day 2. I do think the setup is probably balanced from a math pov, but likely demoralizing for scum.

ISO · Post Post #1995 (ISO) » Mon Jul 08, 2019 4:58 pm

That's valid criticism. I'm surprised Maria wasn't shot regardless of claims. A scumflip in a 3p hood when there's only one hood in the game should give two very firm softclears regardless of the informed info, so I don't think them being hardcleared via informed was particularly meaningful to balance.

Outside of that the 2-shot gated investigative shot incredibly true.

It was a very tricky situation for scum, but I'm inclined to say it's equally attributable to the setup and how well town played.

Sherlock Holmes · Post Post #1996 (ISO) » Mon Jul 08, 2019 4:59 pm

In post 1992, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 1989, the worst wrote:I think this is very close to correct balance for a MS game
Have a look at the mod pt for the full setup (SS is almost certainly an evil genius). Idk if I was scum in this situation I think I would've riddled Maria with bullets asap and claimed the n4 info
I'm wary of games where mafia don't really get to decide who they kill

Scum got to choose who to kill on night 1, and then they had to kill the vanilla cop, and then there were 3 cleared town

I do think that the 'only one scum in the hood' is way better than a mason setup though

ISO · Post Post #1997 (ISO) » Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:01 pm

In post 1994, Sherlock Holmes wrote:
In post 1989, the worst wrote:I think this is very close to correct balance for a MS game
Have a look at the mod pt for the full setup (SS is almost certainly an evil genius). Idk if I was scum in this situation I think I would've riddled Maria with bullets asap and claimed the n4 info
Maybe

I can imagine the setup having bad gamefeel for scum; being all non-vanilla they are given no reason to think they should test the vanilla cop claim n1 only to the learn it generates full innos the next day. I can kinda see why scum play fell apart day 2. I do think the setup is probably balanced from a math pov, but likely demoralizing for scum.

That's fair. I do like the fact scum (conditional on massclaim/correctly informed-hunting) have the ability to manipulate how many informed goodies the town get.

I think Garmr being the last scum standing on d3 was about as bad as it could possibly be, though. (unless like... Nk15 had been lynched day 1...)

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1998 (ISO) » Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:02 pm

Btw the alternative to my opener was a D3 IC claim. I'm glad I chose what I did.

ISO · Post Post #1999 (ISO) » Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:03 pm

The n2 informed of "only one scum in da hood" was also like the ultimate "no shit sherlock" (ayy) and had gamma not played a very sound towngame I wouldn't be surprised if it were more heavily criticised.