BTE: Boon Wars - The Boondom Menace

[Shiro]

And for those wondering I do not have a pt, I recall xtom being confirmed town by fa so I have no reason to doubt him.

Question though, when was Joan innoed?

[Shiro]

I ask because I am inclined to belive the targets werent random, it's not impossible would check me and because of lack of activity neither Titus.

[Shiro]

Then Shiro lives. The Cookies shall live long and prosper.

is this what Titus lolcatting looks like or ...?

Nsh this is our thing because our hydra is named cookie bakers :p

If you recall Krazy 8 make cookies of happiness

[Shiro]

9k wait Titus was also cleared from fa, that confuses things even more.

[Shiro]

I read joan iso, did anyone clear her? If so who and can they be trusted?

[Krazy]

Question though, when was Joan innoed?

DEB and Something_Smart both claim to have received friendly neighbor messages from Joan, so Joan scum requires there to be three scum remaining (Joan + DEB + SS). And for all the scum to have committed to a massive gambit that could have gone up in flames if literally anyone else ever visited Joan... so, not "impossible" but pretty unlikely at this point

[Krazy]

I ask because I am inclined to belive the targets werent random, it's not impossible would check me and because of lack of activity neither Titus.

FA had already investigated Titus. Her N1 was Xtoxm + Titus.

[Krazy]

9k wait Titus was also cleared from fa, that confuses things even more.

Yes, this is why you not being scum basically requires a scum roleblocker, unless the setup is quasi-bastard

I guess we could ask DEB and SS to make sure that the messages they received were real "mod-confirmed alignment messages" not "messages pretending to be mod alignment messages." Although I don't honestly think that Joan actually has the wherewithal to fakeclaim reflexive messenger as a reflexive friendly neighbor.

[Krazy]

The thing is, FA claimed she was going to confirm Joan's alignment on N1, and as the only person with a claimed visiting action on n1 there was a strong incentive for scum to use a roleblock on her if only to prevent a mechanical confirmation on Joan.

[Shiro]

This 8s quite the puzzle we got in our hands.

[Shiro]

OK if we are to lynch me we need to have plenty of time to discuss it.

I am supersaint so the more time to discuss who will hammer me the merrier.

[Shiro]

We can technically have me lynched and Titus hammer me but I kinda think there 8s more here than meets the eye.

[Shiro]

Joan could have been instructed by her partners to claim that way btw Krazy.

[Shiro]

Your assessment of reflexive messenger isn't impossible tbh.

[Shiro]

OK from my pov here there are a few possibilities.

1. Titus or Xtoxm(risky fake claim to lynch 3 people) are actually also traitors thus the clears are false
2. Joan has lied and managed to fake the results
3. A second ninja exists.(Which wouldn't be impossible just unlikely)

[Krazy]

Joan could have been instructed by her partners to claim that way btw Krazy.

At this point I'm pretty sure there were only two group scum in the initial PT. 5 scum in a 15 player game is like... I don't think realistic? even with 2 traitors?

Like Joan scum right now would require this to be a 10:5. In that case, SS was meant to connect the different traitors into one PT, and DEB help. Sure... not impossible... but in a Boon game? Like... ehhhh? I don't think so. Those odds are too extreme even with FA having a "surface-level" nuts role.

I mean I say this as someone who literally ran a 10:3-1-1 setup, but I mean that was my first large theme and I didn't realize how stupidly scumsided that setup was until it was way too late. I think Boon has more sense than that

But yeah theoretically Joan as lone scum + SS as neighborizing traitor + DEB as neighborizing traitor isn't theoretically impossible, it's just unlikely to the point of absurdity in my mind and requires Joan to have made a 4D chess play which realistically speaking she just didn't. She's almost certainly just town.

[Xtoxm]

messenger isnt in the rolebook so that would be a variant. which still would mean titus is lying.
im also fairly confident based on titus reaction to my result that she is scum, and that she would refuse to hammer you
scum having a roleblocker seems the most likely solution

[Krazy]

I guess it would be nice if DEB came in and confirmed he got a reflexive mod-confirming friendly neighbor message but given he didn't freak out because he didn't get one I'm assuming he just did and didn't really mention it

[Shiro]

Oh and the extreme 4th of all deb, ss and joan being scum gambitting which is honestly kinda highly highly unlikely since I see no reason for both of them to confirm her, even in the gambit chance only one of them has to commit both is simply uneccesar.

P. Edit

But then how do u explain fa result o Titus xtom?

[Krazy]

It really throws me that Boon made Super Saint a normal town role, I keep thinking it's boon bank for some reason

[Xtoxm]

But then how do u explain fa result o Titus xtom?

scum having a roleblocker seems the most likely solution

its either that or something really weird like scum having 2 ninjas for a one-shot investigative which i just dont see boon doing.

[Krazy]

But then how do u explain fa result o Titus xtom?

Scum roleblocked FA n1?

OR

Scum rolestopped Titus n1?

OR

Titus is scum commuter?

OR

[Krazy]

Setup balance is ??? with reflexive friendly messenger + supersaint but this is a boon game, if Titus's role is bonkers he might have thought it was balanced.

But I am slightly tempted to believe Shiro given I know Boon fucking LOVES Supersaint roles

[Dr Easy Bake]

I guess it would be nice if DEB came in and confirmed he got a reflexive mod-confirming friendly neighbor message but given he didn't freak out because he didn't get one I'm assuming he just did and didn't really mention it

Yeah, Joan's conftown for sure. Sorry I didn't make it clearer.

[Krazy]

If anyone else is supersaint though they should probably claim that because there's no way there's two supersaints and a reflexive friendly neighbor