Newbie 1943: Crosswords (Game Over)

[cyrus62]

Also I really don't think arguing with Temp is going to get the town anywhere and just clutter up the thread- I'm going to break from the thread for a while unless anyone has any questions or cases against me; I'm happy to engage with either.

show us your case why your town then defend your self cuse i can case you as scum if you perfer

[Sera Masumi]

show us your case why your town then defend your self cuse i can case you as scum if you perfer

If there are any allegations I haven't defended myself against that you would like to me to, please quote them. And I'd love to read that case.

As for reasons why I'm town?

1. I've been incredibly forthright with reads, aggressively pursued them, allowed for my reads to develop organically (see Red and Spangle, in both directions).
2. Why would I, somebody who is replacing somebody slightly suspected with no town cred, go after you right when I enter when you're nearly universally read as town? Why wouldn't I go for an easier target like Red or phone, both of whom were suspected at the time?
3. Why did I unvote Temp right away? Since I clearly am indicating skepticism of their claim, i could have at least given it the old college try to force the mislynch of a claimed cop through, couldn't I?
4. I'm honestly not sure what the case on me is beyond "found a claimed PR suspicious and therefore voted him"?

[Sera Masumi]

*now-claimed PR

[cyrus62]

show us your case why your town then defend your self cuse i can case you as scum if you perfer

If there are any allegations I haven't defended myself against that you would like to me to, please quote them. And I'd love to read that case.

As for reasons why I'm town?

1. I've been incredibly forthright with reads, aggressively pursued them, allowed for my reads to develop organically (see Red and Spangle, in both directions).

you should have made a case for temp for voteing him other then oh he flip flops but you seen every one was pointing at temp so it was a easy lynch if i wouldn't have backed you down you would have killed him what if scum was watching and we only had one pr i mean realy what if come on .

2. Why would I, somebody who is replacing somebody slightly suspected with no town cred, go after you right when I enter when you're nearly universally read as town? Why wouldn't I go for an easier target like Red or phone, both of whom were suspected at the time?

easyest way to be thought of as town this is look at me im so towny becuse i aim for the bigest town i musst be town.

3. Why did I unvote Temp right away? Since I clearly am indicating skepticism of their claim, i could have at least given it the old college try to force the mislynch of a claimed cop through, couldn't I?

3 becuse every one would know you was scum if you didnt step off forceing a clime is scummy enough as i said only 25 chance to have a doc and cop so we may end up with a died pr and then we may have nothing to go on but that you got the pr killed if .

4. I'm honestly not sure what the case on me is beyond "found a claimed PR suspicious and therefore voted him"?

[cyrus62]

thank you i showd my scum case just now

[cyrus62]

ive also gave me reads and showd who i shorted i read every post as they are sent or try to your post are to big and blog me down.

[Sera Masumi]

Going to spoiler tag this for space reasons.

Spoiler:

you should have made a case for temp for voteing him other then oh he flip flops but you seen every one was pointing at temp so it was a easy lynch if i wouldn't have backed you down you would have killed him what if scum was watching and we only had one pr i mean realy what if come on .

You can't just not lynch anyone because you might hit a PR. That's silly.

Also his engagement with Rob was one point out of the ~7 reasons I gave for Temp being suspicious; I posted that list of reasons that you can go take a look see. My case on Temp was easily the most thorough and nuanced of anybody making any anti-Temp arguments, so I'm not sure you can exactly say I was merely sheeping or following the crowd. Can you actually engage with my case on Temp instead of continually repeating untrue things about it?

easyest way to be thought of as town this is look at me im so towny becuse i aim for the bigest town i musst be town.

How on Earth is "going for somebody that everyone thinks is town" an easy way to get people to think I'm town? Going after one of the most town-read people in the game draws attention to yourself when I could be hunting targets like Phone and Cyan and Red, who people thought were scum anyway and therefore far more likely to sheep me? Instead I called Phone and Red likely town (heck I was even clearer on Red before changing my mind slightly, and that merely reduced him to "likely town" instead of "very town" for me.)

Saying that it's a "WIFOM argument" doesn't carry much weight when at its core literally anything in the game can be called a WIFOM argument. What is the scum motivation for doing it? What has it gotten me as opposed to the easier alternatives?

Also can you explain how I forced Spangled to put Temp at L-1?

thank you i showd my scum case just now

That wasn't a case at all tbh.

[cyrus62]

Going to spoiler tag this for space reasons.

Spoiler:

you should have made a case for temp for voteing him other then oh he flip flops but you seen every one was pointing at temp so it was a easy lynch if i wouldn't have backed you down you would have killed him what if scum was watching and we only had one pr i mean realy what if come on .

You can't just not lynch anyone because you might hit a PR. That's silly.

Also his engagement with Rob was one point out of the ~7 reasons I gave for Temp being suspicious; I posted that list of reasons that you can go take a look see. My case on Temp was easily the most thorough and nuanced of anybody making any anti-Temp arguments, so I'm not sure you can exactly say I was merely sheeping or following the crowd. Can you actually engage with my case on Temp instead of continually repeating untrue things about it?

easyest way to be thought of as town this is look at me im so towny becuse i aim for the bigest town i musst be town.

How on Earth is "going for somebody that everyone thinks is town" an easy way to get people to think I'm town? Going after one of the most town-read people in the game draws attention to yourself when I could be hunting targets like Phone and Cyan and Red, who people thought were scum anyway and therefore far more likely to sheep me? Instead I called Phone and Red likely town (heck I was even clearer on Red before changing my mind slightly, and that merely reduced him to "likely town" instead of "very town" for me.)

Saying that it's a "WIFOM argument" doesn't carry much weight when at its core literally anything in the game can be called a WIFOM argument. What is the scum motivation for doing it? What has it gotten me as opposed to the easier alternatives?

Also can you explain how I forced Spangled to put Temp at L-1?

thank you i showd my scum case just now

That wasn't a case at all tbh.

no one wants to write a book on here so yes thats the best case i could do ok lol i am going way out of my way to prove my self here 1st i stood by a fellow town didnt know they were pr at the time either but was a town read for me now im going after the person who targeted my bigest town read i realy have no idea any other way to prove im town but by doing what i am do i want to see you hang not with out enough poe but i wanted to get you to realize ev ery thing i am doing isnt scummy but in town play like you i am trying this is only my 2nd game ok. i have neverd playd on tos or any scum sight or foum sights so i am doing the best i can and now i am doing the best i can to prove that i am town like you and temp so get off my back and i'll get off yours and maybe we can hunt scum together sound fair.

[Sera Masumi]

no one wants to write a book on here so yes thats the best case i could do ok lol i am going way out of my way to prove my self here 1st i stood by a fellow town didnt know they were pr at the time either but was a town read for me now im going after the person who targeted my bigest town read i realy have no idea any other way to prove im town but by doing what i am do i want to see you hang not with out enough poe but i wanted to get you to realize ev ery thing i am doing isnt scummy but in town play like you i am trying this is only my 2nd game ok. i have neverd playd on tos or any scum sight or foum sights so i am doing the best i can and now i am doing the best i can to prove that i am town like you and temp so get off my back and i'll get off yours and maybe we can hunt scum together sound fair.

I mean, I think you're scum so I'm not going to get off your back, sorry. I will say that some of your posts sound sincere like this one, and that one post where you put everything on the line for Temp being town was super weird for a Temp partner post, which is in your favor if Temp is scum at least. And there's posts here and there that I've liked well enough; your ISO isn't universally terrible. But I've made various arguments for why I think you're scum, and the ones you've engaged with I simply don't find your responses entirely compelling?

And I admit this game is frustrating me a bit so that was a little snippy, but I legit don't get what the case you and Temp have on me is beyond "Could be scum with Redflavor (like most of the town) and also thought Temp was scum"?

[Cyan Talon]

scum lurk and prod doge so they don't get seen as much as town and so ofc i thought connar and phone were scum and he also rvs voted him self and then replaced out he also fake cc a cop role yet you don't aim at phone but instead aims at temp then my self then cyan and then red your not helping town at all .

You're forgetting two things:
1. Sera replaces Connor in this game.
2. The fake claim was most likely a joking attempt, and we discussed and dismissed it earlier right when it happened.

[Sera Masumi]

To try and make a case on Cyan- Post #100 and Post #106 where he comments on Phoenix's claim feels a little forced, I mean it was rather obvious that the cop claim wasn't serious given that we started on Day 1, and I do feel like Posts #177, 178, and 180 try to take both sides of the Robb v. Temp debate, and if Robb, Temp IS Town v. Town, I could see scum maybe just not knowing, or not caring, which side to push in that fight and therefore their responses feeling a little hedgy and free-flowing at times.

That said, I like his admittance of his passive behavior in #269 a bit, his #361 Connor read feels genuine and comes across like a townie thought process, I like his soft push against Cyrus in #382. Overall, like with Red, there are scummy posts here and there but in general I can see a lot of potential town thought process shining through and there is a content I really agree with in there.

The issue is that I really think that Adorable, Spangled, and Robb are town, we're not lynching a claimed cop with no CC, and I don't see much of a case against phone and want to wait for a replacement. So unless we're lynching Cyrus, that leaves Red and Cyan due to POE, even if I don't really have strong arguments against either. It's a compromise lynch for me.

[cyrus62]

no one wants to write a book on here so yes thats the best case i could do ok lol i am going way out of my way to prove my self here 1st i stood by a fellow town didnt know they were pr at the time either but was a town read for me now im going after the person who targeted my bigest town read i realy have no idea any other way to prove im town but by doing what i am do i want to see you hang not with out enough poe but i wanted to get you to realize ev ery thing i am doing isnt scummy but in town play like you i am trying this is only my 2nd game ok. i have neverd playd on tos or any scum sight or foum sights so i am doing the best i can and now i am doing the best i can to prove that i am town like you and temp so get off my back and i'll get off yours and maybe we can hunt scum together sound fair.

I mean, I think you're scum so I'm not going to get off your back, sorry. I will say that some of your posts sound sincere like this one, and that one post where you put everything on the line for Temp being town was super weird for a Temp partner post, which is in your favor if Temp is scum at least. And there's posts here and there that I've liked well enough; your ISO isn't universally terrible. But I've made various arguments for why I think you're scum, and the ones you've engaged with I simply don't find your responses entirely compelling?

And I admit this game is frustrating me a bit so that was a little snippy, but I legit don't get what the case you and Temp have on me is beyond "Could be scum with Redflavor (like most of the town) and also thought Temp was scum"?

look temp is pr do they have to die before you back down they most likely will . i neverd said red was scum i said i dont trust his reads on phone not enough post scum lurk

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[Adorable]

To try and make a case on Cyan- Post #100 and Post #106 where he comments on Phoenix's claim feels a little forced, I mean it was rather obvious that the cop claim wasn't serious given that we started on Day 1, and I do feel like Posts #177, 178, and 180 try to take both sides of the Robb v. Temp debate, and if Robb, Temp IS Town v. Town, I could see scum maybe just not knowing, or not caring, which side to push in that fight and therefore their responses feeling a little hedgy and free-flowing at times.

That said, I like his admittance of his passive behavior in #269 a bit, his #361 Connor read feels genuine and comes across like a townie thought process, I like his soft push against Cyrus in #382. Overall, like with Red, there are scummy posts here and there but in general I can see a lot of potential town thought process shining through and there is a content I really agree with in there.

The issue is that I really think that Adorable, Spangled, and Robb are town, we're not lynching a claimed cop with no CC, and I don't see much of a case against phone and want to wait for a replacement. So unless we're lynching Cyrus, that leaves Red and Cyan due to POE, even if I don't really have strong arguments against either. It's a compromise lynch for me.

You mentioned you see a lot of potential town thought process shining through Red and where was that?

[Spangled]

I have to admit, this is a debacle we've all got the town into.
Let me just throw my thoughts out:
I thought Temporal was scum. Sera made by far the best case on anyone I've seen in this thread.
For these reasons and more, I really think Sera is town.
I think, also, for many reasons explained before, that Adorable and Robb are town.
How cyrus is increasingly not seeing reason and seems to be refusing to even read Sera's scum!Temporal case is anti-town behaviour, I think, but not super scummy.
I also don't see how cyrus scumreads me and Sera for pushing for a lynch. Anyone could be a PR; we can't let that stop us lynch scum. And you can't mentally talk yourself into not pushing for the lynch of people on the basis of 'they've looked a bit like a PR'. Because, especially in this case, if you're pushing for their lynch, they've looked like scum.
Which Temporal did to us.

[Spangled]

scum lurk and prod doge so they don't get seen as much as town and so ofc i thought connar and phone were scum and he also rvs voted him self and then replaced out he also fake cc a cop role yet you don't aim at phone but instead aims at temp then my self then cyan and then red your not helping town at all .

So you're saying phone and connor are scum... and that trying to get someone you think is scummy lynched doesn't help town...
cyrus, we couldn't see things from your perspective. Only you can. We thought that Temp looked like scum, and pushed for his lynch.

What is so scummy about that

?
I really don't get it; I've explained this over again and again (or I feel like I have).
Temporal could have been scum, and we felt like he was, so we pushed. It didn't help town in the long run, but

we weren't to know that

.
Gah. We did the best we could to do what we thought would help town.

[cyrus62]

scum lurk and prod doge so they don't get seen as much as town and so ofc i thought connar and phone were scum and he also rvs voted him self and then replaced out he also fake cc a cop role yet you don't aim at phone but instead aims at temp then my self then cyan and then red your not helping town at all .

So you're saying phone and connor are scum... and that trying to get someone you think is scummy lynched doesn't help town...
cyrus, we couldn't see things from your perspective. Only you can. We thought that Temp looked like scum, and pushed for his lynch.

What is so scummy about that

?
I really don't get it; I've explained this over again and again (or I feel like I have).
Temporal could have been scum, and we felt like he was, so we pushed. It didn't help town in the long run, but

we weren't to know that

.
Gah. We did the best we could to do what we thought would help town.

as am i

[Spangled]

If by that you're referring to attacking me and Sera over what was ultimately a mistake, I don't believe you are, and I think I've shown why.

[cyrus62]

If by that you're referring to attacking me and Sera over what was ultimately a mistake, I don't believe you are, and I think I've shown why.

let me ask you this why would scum care if you outed a pr. i am calming down now i was pisst off i don't like to lose. i can only sort so much on so little post in 9 days.

[Spangled]

I don't think you're scum, cyrus; I've said it before.
But I don't think Sera is either.

[Cyan Talon]

If by that you're referring to attacking me and Sera over what was ultimately a mistake, I don't believe you are, and I think I've shown why.

let me ask you this why would scum care if you outed a pr. i am calming down now i was pisst off i don't like to lose. i can only sort so much on so little post in 9 days.

This is interesting for me. While I still disagree that forcing Temporal to claim was any more hurtful for town than making him stay shut, the fact that Cyrus showed frustration made me lean him as town for a short moment. Suddenly, he uses that as a point for his defense, and I'm feeling the lean wear off since scum are more likely to do actions that they are aware would be easy to justify, defend or gain towncred for.

[Cyan Talon]

The issue is that I really think that Adorable, Spangled, and Robb are town, we're not lynching a claimed cop with no CC, and I don't see much of a case against phone and want to wait for a replacement. So unless we're lynching Cyrus, that leaves Red and Cyan due to POE, even if I don't really have strong arguments against either. It's a compromise lynch for me.

So you suspect me as part of POE. Fair enough, but I still don't think we should ignore phone. There isn't much reason to lynch him right now, but we can't forget that the slot is staying here in this game.

On that note, since you scumread Cyrus, is there anyone you think who might be a possible partner to a scum Cyrus?

[cyrus62]

If by that you're referring to attacking me and Sera over what was ultimately a mistake, I don't believe you are, and I think I've shown why.

let me ask you this why would scum care if you outed a pr. i am calming down now i was pisst off i don't like to lose. i can only sort so much on so little post in 9 days.

This is interesting for me. While I still disagree that forcing Temporal to claim was any more hurtful for town than making him stay shut, the fact that Cyrus showed frustration made me lean him as town for a short moment. Suddenly, he uses that as a point for his defense, and I'm feeling the lean wear off since scum are more likely to do actions that they are aware would be easy to justify, defend or gain towncred for.

this is true or i could have been upset becuse if you look there is only one slot with a cop and doctor and if its not that one that we are one then temp and him hurt are chances of winning but heck im bored of this game right now its in stand still for the 2nd tim,me red hasnt posted in 3 days now and hasnt been replaced we now need red phone and rob replaced so yes go a head mate

[cyrus62]

what come on im bored right now lynch me then if you so sure im scum then when i flip town maybe your realize a 2nd time i dont lie .

[Spangled]

The issue is that I really think that Adorable, Spangled, and Robb are town, we're not lynching a claimed cop with no CC, and I don't see much of a case against phone and want to wait for a replacement. So unless we're lynching Cyrus, that leaves Red and Cyan due to POE, even if I don't really have strong arguments against either. It's a compromise lynch for me.

So you suspect me as part of POE. Fair enough, but I still don't think we should ignore phone. There isn't much reason to lynch him right now, but we can't forget that the slot is staying here in this game.

Aye, and we have four days (or something) and the timer is still paused. I say wait for replacement before we try to lynch someone.