2078: Any Non-Dead Person Can Post In This Mafia Game [end]

[Ausuka]

Ok but I don't think my d2 makes sense unless I have a guilty or am pretending to.

[mastina]

actual reads
town: ausuka, jingle, mastina, ceejayvinoya, pine, wagonomics, penguinpower, rosterfoster, redflavor
saske: ismyyaoikismesis
null: ofrhz, nomnomnom, who, titus
scum: eevee, lavender
most of these are gut/tone related.

So Ausuka unlike EeveeLution Army or PenguinPower has actual D1 content, but what I want to know is: why is EeveeLution Army a scumread with absolutely no mention as to why; why was the vote on Lavender instead of on EeveeLution Army?

But why though? And why nest your vote between two non-players voting?

i voted lavender because i thought their first post was a wolfy pop-in; like they were making excuses for not scumhunting (while not reading the shitfest is plausible i'd expect town to, like, look at some ISOs and make some sort of attempt)

i'm not going to not vote because one non-player voted before me. i think it's pretty obvious from my play so far that i haven't been trying to blend in this game.

Like, she explains the vote on Lavender here, but Eevee's just not mentioned at all; it screams distancing-without-bussing.

VOTE: penguin

Why did PenguinPower move from being town to being voted here without reasoning?

Wagon is a day superweak neighbourizer. He can target as many people as he likes but if he ever targets scum he loses instantly.

Ugh sorry I meant to post that in the PT

Man I wish Jingle were alive because I want to know if Wagonomics posted in their neighborhood PT a claim of exactly that; if he had, then this would've been the scumslip of scumslips, written off as being a joke.

VOTE: rosterfoster

I already mentioned this but given Ausuka's roleclaim, Ausuka's stance on rosterfoster doesn't sit well with me.

VOTE: Eeveelution Army

Mastina has a guilty on Eevee, we should be speed lynching them.

Framing it as a guilty from me also doesn't sit well with me.

Also I have a reason to want to speedlynch Eevee *right now*

This however fits perfectly with Ausuka's roleclaim.

Marking this for reference; Ausuka, the day before PP's roleclaim, had 108 posts and many of them had actual content in them. That was bumped up to 122 posts by the end of the day.

That's the useful bits; isoing ofhrz next.

[Katyusha]

i know i wasnt going to post anything serious on this account but mastina did you not respond to rc's claim? or are you deliberately ignoring it?

[mastina]

Yah yeet

*instantly opens ofhrz's iso*
*It's five pages long*

...

Given PenguinPower's real role, that uhh...that actually looks really damn clearing for him?

VOTE: penguin

Could be a bus vote; there's no real reasoning attached here.

That being said, while ofhrz's content is lowkey, it IS there the entire time, too.

Why is PP town?

There's naked voting for distancing and then there's some actual attempts at leading a lynch on scum which is therefore either bussing or town; this looks like the latter and of the "bussing or town", the latter actually looks more likely.

Penguin and Pine are both town?

I think Penguin is scum!

I think PP usually gives more reads by now if he were town

And also GUT

This looks REALLY good for ofhrz.

I don't think that's beneficial right now.

Why not?

Not a comment on ofhrz but my random theory time is that Ausuka's telling the truth about the conditions for her role to function but is lying and she's actually a roleblocker who needs those conditions in order to roleblock.

Marking this for reference; ofhrz, the day before PP's roleclaim, had 125 posts and many of them had actual content in them. By the end of the day, this was 920 posts.
920 + PP's 62 + EeveeLution Army's 66 = maximum scum content of 1048/5450 posts: 19.22935779816514% of the total posts in the game.

starting on day 1, if the game thread reaches 200 pages with no more than 5% of the posts having been made by any individual member of the mafia, you will become a godfather for the rest of the game. once you become a godfather, if an investigative role would investigate you, their results would suggest that you are a member of the town.

starting on day 2, if the game thread reaches 1000 pages with no more than 2% of the posts having been made by any individual member of the mafia, you will become a vigilante for the rest of the game. once you become a vigilante, each night, you can target another player. that player will die.

starting on day 3, if the game thread reaches 3000 pages with no more than 1% of the posts having been made by any individual member of the mafia, you will become lynchproof for the rest of the game. once you become lynchproof, if you would die as a result of a majority of players voting for you during the day, the day will instead continue without you dying in this way.

Oh it's individual member of the mafia, but point still holds. A mafiate needed to not make more than 5% of the posts.
920/5450 = 16.88073394495413%. Over triple that.

That seems to REALLY strongly suggest ofhrz town here.

Mastina, Jingle, Ausuka, Titus town
I will be voting in Penguin, Pine, and Who today

This looks good for ofhrz.

Yo what’s happenin
How has PP still not claimed
Kinda unfortunate for him but we know he read this page at the very least and someone mentioned that we’re waiting for him to claim zzzz

VOTE: penguin

Again, seems to indicate ofhrz is town.

[mastina]

i know i wasnt going to post anything serious on this account but mastina did you not respond to rc's claim? or are you deliberately ignoring it?

Hey Mastina we had a JoAT component to our role. If you're town, why did you lie about your role and why did you not claim earlier?

I didn't; stop fucking around.

Also I've read

yeah honestly i don't know if we were going to get anything out of mastina from that but that ofrhz reaction was pretty fucking awful.

, so.

[mastina]

Ok but I don't think my d2 makes sense unless I have a guilty or am pretending to.

The problem is the 'pretending to' isn't that hard and your posts look more like that overall.

[Oversoul]

Mastina def scum

[mastina]

Okay find scum let's go.
VOTE: Ausuka

I'd like to point out that Who has a metric shitload of posts and they do contain a fair amount of content. He was also the original holder of the slot, so.

On that note, though:

starting on day 1, if the game thread reaches 200 pages with no more than 5% of the posts having been made by any individual member of the mafia, you will become a godfather for the rest of the game. once you become a godfather, if an investigative role would investigate you, their results would suggest that you are a member of the town.

starting on day 2, if the game thread reaches 1000 pages with no more than 2% of the posts having been made by any individual member of the mafia, you will become a vigilante for the rest of the game. once you become a vigilante, each night, you can target another player. that player will die.

starting on day 3, if the game thread reaches 3000 pages with no more than 1% of the posts having been made by any individual member of the mafia, you will become lynchproof for the rest of the game. once you become lynchproof, if you would die as a result of a majority of players voting for you during the day, the day will instead continue without you dying in this way.

MOD: For the purposes of PenguinPower's role, how would you resolve a member of the scumteam having a role like Titus/popsofctown/Tammy's role? Would each head of the hydra be treated as their own separate entity, or would they all collectively count?

That is...if the scumteam had a hydra of ten players, would the ten players posts be combined as a single slot, or would each be treated separately?

VOTE: PenguinPower
PenguinPower how are you doing today?

I'd want to know the same thing here as with ofhrz; this could be a distancing vote because there's no reasoning attached to it.

(That being said, I actually think it might be town because I have an inkling for what Who might've been doing there.)

Pops summon Zoraster please.

Oh this reminds me. On the day PP claimed a guilty on Pine but prior to his lynch, I tried to summon Ginngie here to reenact Camn's Revenge and to try a town jam session. I wanted to get her posting so that we could post together and I could tell her the reason why I summoned her was because Pine was caught confscum making it basically a reunion of reunions. (I'd post the sitechat log but pretty sure that's a modkillable offense.)

Who's using faulty logic

How is it faulty? If they were town they could just have followed everyone else and said "Town who gets PR when X, give me X". They had to invent an elaborate story about being scum so that suspicion of them wouldn't cause us to not attempt to make their goal happen.

I have to say that while Who was chasing after known town, it feels like he legitimately, genuinely felt like he was on the right track. There's a level of sincerity to his push on nom which is utterly absent from the isos of both ofhrz and Ausuka, a level of conviction. It doesn't look like he's pushing an easy policy lynch on "lynch the liar"; it looks like he seriously, genuinely believes that he's on the right track. It doesn't look like "scum trying to lynch a 3p", either, which I realize is a thing which would explain his push; it looks like town trying to lynch scum (just being wrong on who scum were).

Who's last post was still the day PP had claimed, so for reference, 163/5450 = 2.990825688073394%.
Above the 1000-page vigilante threshold, but below the 200-page godfather threshold...assuming each head is individual.

Still strongly think town here overall.

[mastina]

Can someone cop ELA so I don't have to pretend like I will ever learn how to sort him

How was Ausuka's reaction after that,

VOTE: penguin

How you doing Ausuka

Why do you think Pengii is scum Pengii and not town Pengii?

Tired but fine otherwise how about you?

I'm sheeping ofrhz mostly with some gut. This isn't really the sort of game I want to effort in tbh.

The likes of this, rather than absolutely no acknowledgement whatsoever of what Ausuka claims she actually did do? There's not a lick of cheekiness to be had; there's not a lick of "sure why not", there's not a lick of "that sounds like a good idea", there's no breadcrumbing on D1 at all and yet she had the literally perfect setup right here for that if she was in fact planning on copping Ausuka.

[Oversoul]

Mastina def scum

[mastina]

I think Ausuka + Lavender CAN be scums.

Also I have a reason to want to speedlynch Eevee *right now*

pray tell

I'm starting to think Ausuka is a good shot tonight.

Noteworthy?

The setup is lolz

This is the biggest reason to doubt your claim I think.

I'm pretty sure I've seen a scum commuter before?Also commuter being reasonable is true but like. Do you get the impression xyzzy sat down to make these roles and thought, "ok it's time to make a reasonable setup."?

one day later

Tbh I think Eevee is a really good lynch even ignoring the masonizer thing. We're not lynching Lavender today even if their claim is somewhat scummy. Maybe Who is a mafia odd commuter? I checked and there were 107 posters last night.

hmmmmmmm

This is also a good post.

You know this reminds me of the turbo we played together and you kept pushing lynches with convictions and always going "ah oops" when they flip town and answering in a really nonsensical way when asked questions. I think those two games are very similar and if it wasn't for the Mastina guilty I probably wouldn't push this. Speaking of which what ADDITIONAL reason could you have to push someone aside from a GUILTY?

So's this.

one-game meta is bad. it's not about whether we lynch eevee d2 or not, it's about if we lynch him today as in saturday the 15th june and as soon as possible.

?????
there's no reason to mention this unless you're going to explain, this is bad

And this.

You know they have 2 days to discuss what they can do about it, right? What kind of reasoning is that?

And this.

If this flips town there are high chances you or the VT claim goes down.

This in reference to Ausuka.

Yes, it is MyLo tomorrow if this flips town and you mis-shoot. Are you still planning to vig me?

How do you know there are 3 scums this game

More Ausuka suspicion here.

Who is still probably scum. Probably.

But then there's also this.

I don't think that's beneficial right now.

just claim your odd cop with a guilty on Eevee already

Find this noteworthy, too.

why would you want to out that

because there's simply no reason to do what you're doing, you're drawing a target on your back for no reason given there's a guilty and it's annoying and it creates non-necessary secrecy in a game where we have these roles in the open. Reducing the amount of possibilities for your vig to shoot correctly is a GOOD thing not a bad thing.

I just think that maybe the reason nom was shot was nom's interactions with Ausuka? Like...there's a metric shitload of them, more or less where nom was prodding and poking at Ausuka.

Who needs to die by tomorrow anyway
he hasn't posted in a while either

But there is this.

I am fairly confident at this point that the scum's not ofhrz in regards to nom; ofhrz had every reason to let nom live and shoot town given nom was prodding at Ausuka and suspicious of Who. The question is whether Who's scum, or whether Ausuka's scum and I still think Ausuka's the more likely of the two in spite of posts like this.

Ok I'm fine with getting vigged if this flips town.

65% of the time this is town purely off this tbh. To trust in your read no matter how shortsighted enough to die for it. Its everything i stand for. Pure and utter loyalty

Ausuka did the same thing in a turbo and was scum so I have proof that this is not town indicative.

This looks bad for Ausuka, too.

So I was roleblocked. This makes ausuka look REALLY bad for implying you could ever be an odd scum commuter by the way

I found that implication really fucking odd ever since she said it.

It really does.

The more I think about it though, the more I think we should explore Ausuka/Lavender, especially Ausuka. I am feeling really bad vibes from that front. There's just no way you imply that Who is a commuter with that modconfirmation at the beginning of the day and the fact that Ofhrz also let it slide is just really scummy in retrospective. Either that's an oversight either that's a push in bad faith and honestly I feel like it's the latter. I have scumvibes from Ausuka. She also implied having a PR and an additional reason to vote beyond Mastina's "guilty".

This also seems relevant.

There's just no way you imply that Who is a commuter with that modconfirmation at the beginning of the day

Ok I made a mistake with this; why is that scummy? It's not a badfaith push, I'm clearly not pushing the Who/RC slot right now.

You're pushing for a vigshot on them and I declared my intent to vig that slot, I could see that as a tactic to make a townie flip today then get me to vig them after. But since I declared I was going to vig you if this flips town I am going to assume that the plan now is to get me to vig you, get the doc on you/roleblock me forever then get me lynched tomorrow. This makes sense.

This, too.

Lavender/Pine/Ausuka scumteam? Possible.

And this.

her play here seems a lot more similar to her play in PyPower or Bins-mini where she was town than in something like the mini i repped in that just ended where she was scum

but the contradictions!!!! And the nonsensical stuff!!!!!!! and treating a claim as 100% confirmed when it's actually not confirmed!!!!!!!

And this.

Pine/Who/Ausuka is where I'm looking atm.

^I mean doesn't help resolve Who vs. Ausuka but pretty solid evidence last scum's not ofhrz.

ELA/Pine/Ausuka ELA/Pine/Lavender
two very likely lists

This does help tho.

[mastina]

I disbelieve this claim

Noteworthy, in reference to Ausuka's claimed innocent on them.

Hi pops
Assuming you either think the last scum is me or think that it's not worth the risk of not lynching me before endgame?

The last scum might be you but I don't see any reason why it'd be wrong for you to be an endgame lynch. I don't see any reason to believe you have a scum PR and in general I don't believe in "X shouldn't go to endgame because they can weasel out of the lynch", I think that's logically fallacious. In general I want to lynch the scummiest slots in order and you're not the scummiest slot today. I want more time to sort the slots that aren't mechanical'd

This also suggests Whoslot town.

Ofrhz's role is kind of a mind wonk. Its kinda weird as a scum role too since it doesn't do much aside from lylo, and only when his partner would be lynched in lylo. For any other usage he gets power lynched for electing to use such an antitown role. But it actually allows him to counteract mastina's hated mechanic in odd outcomes of this game where nomnom stays alive and mastina doesn't just get re-lynched. Idk. I think maybe he's allowed to govern himself and he changed that part in his claim to make it sound like a less obvscum role

On the one hand, this post raises a good mechanical point. ofhrz alive and functioning + nom alive and functioning + me alive = possibility for a town win in a situation where the town should autolose from a hated-lylo-lynch.

On the other hand, it's throwing suspicion at ofhrz.

I appreciate multiple opinions on ausuka because she reads funny to me, both in this game and a completed one I specced dead.

Yet this seems to further the Ausuka suspicion.

I do believe ausuka’s claim. At first I was like hell yeah it’s nice to be in a confirmed town slot, but then when I remembered the ic in the room, I thought it was too much, but I guess with the conditions placed on the cop shot it’s plausible it never gets used. I would say likewise on the ic aspect, iirc you needed 100 players to post in order to get the neighborhood for that role to be confirmed, but I think it was pretty likely for 100 people to post.

Anyway reading over ausuka’s play especially day two, her play makes a lot of sense with an EeveeLution guilty as it looks like she’s looking for partners wit hesitation that EeveeLution might be town. Investigating us also makes sense based on her reads and suspicions day two. So, I’m inclined to believe that role.

Why hasn’t who ousted since June 4th?

But this is something I don't want to ignore though.

Anyway, that's the nightkilled players save for Jingle.

That iso will take me a bit longer, so I'm going to take a break and probably attend to other areas of the site before tackling his iso.

[NotAJumbleOfNumbers]

hi again

[the worst]

hi NAJON

[RadiantCowbells]

It's unfortunate that I think the likeliest scum by a significant amount is Ofrhz and yet they're the most widely townread here.

[RadiantCowbells]

Besides us I guess.

Is it casing time?

[Dannflor]

case war let's go

[ruru]

More walls pls

[xyzzy]

MOD: For the purposes of PenguinPower's role, how would you resolve a member of the scumteam having a role like Titus/popsofctown/Tammy's role? Would each head of the hydra be treated as their own separate entity, or would they all collectively count?

the hydra as a whole would count as a single slot.

[xyzzy]

MOD: For the purposes of PenguinPower's role, how would you resolve a member of the scumteam having a role like Titus/popsofctown/Tammy's role? Would each head of the hydra be treated as their own separate entity, or would they all collectively count?

the hydra as a whole would count as a single slot.

[xyzzy]

oh frick i did two of em

[xyzzy]

also i forgot to use the mod color!!! i am a tremendous fuckup tonight

[RadiantCowbells]

i was kinda hoping for something closer to "yes absolutely we will sheep you rc"

[chennisden]

if i post here with an alt will it fuck you over RC?

[Chemist1422]

this is still going?