Starry Night [Game Over]

Ankamius · Post Post #425 (ISO) » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:42 pm

you're not considered an active poster yet dunn

popsofctown · Post Post #426 (ISO) » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:42 pm

Funny thing is from the setup they can't both be scum.

But it's scummy for DV to see Cephrir's iso and still want to dance with that, and it's scummy for Cephrir to not wait for a longer iso before accepting so it's like a good barrel to shoot at and hope for fish

though I'm sure some things just as interesting will develop in pregame this setup seems kewl

unwnd · Post Post #427 (ISO) » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:43 pm

In post 420, Ankamius wrote:I'm kinda feeling that the active posters are like... all town

maaaaaaaaaaybe one scum

I disagree, I think pre-game would be the best time for scum to establish presence

Ankamius · Post Post #428 (ISO) » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:43 pm

In post 427, unwnd wrote:
In post 420, Ankamius wrote:I'm kinda feeling that the active posters are like... all town

maaaaaaaaaaybe one scum
I disagree, I think pre-game would be the best time for scum to establish presence

I don't think this has happened

Firebringer · Post Post #429 (ISO) » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:44 pm

In post 426, popsofctown wrote:Funny thing is from the setup they can't both be scum.

But it's scummy for DV to see Cephrir's iso and still want to dance with that, and it's scummy for Cephrir to not wait for a longer iso before accepting so it's like a good barrel to shoot at and hope for fish

though I'm sure some things just as interesting will develop in pregame this setup seems kewl

neither are scummy for wanting to dance with each other.

unwnd · Post Post #430 (ISO) » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:44 pm

In post 428, Ankamius wrote:
In post 427, unwnd wrote:
In post 420, Ankamius wrote:I'm kinda feeling that the active posters are like... all town

maaaaaaaaaaybe one scum
I disagree, I think pre-game would be the best time for scum to establish presence
I don't think this has happened

So you disagree with Ceph being scum then? Bitmap? Don't remember your thoughts on those two

ISO · Post Post #431 (ISO) » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:44 pm

In post 426, popsofctown wrote:Funny thing is from the setup they can't both be scum.

But it's scummy for DV to see Cephrir's iso and still want to dance with that, and it's scummy for Cephrir to not wait for a longer iso before accepting so it's like a good barrel to shoot at and hope for fish

though I'm sure some things just as interesting will develop in pregame this setup seems kewl

i would argue it's actually town for him to want to dance with me despite the fact i'm probably the most suspected slot atm

Firebringer · Post Post #432 (ISO) » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:44 pm

wait since when r u the most suspected slot cephrir?

Ankamius · Post Post #433 (ISO) » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:45 pm

I'm very conflicted on Cephrir and townlean on Bitmap

popsofctown · Post Post #434 (ISO) » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:45 pm

In post 424, Cephrir wrote:i literally signed up as a lady for this express purpose

Nothing is more frustrating than when someone I'm scumreading says they acted the way they did because they are just deliberately not playing to either wincon :/

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #435 (ISO) » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:45 pm

In post 413, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 384, Firebringer wrote:
In post 382, Gamma Emerald wrote:If Shiro says no I'm down to try dancing with you again
No, you messed up the story in our PT last time and I don't forget.
Didn't you let it down?

Ok you didn't let it down but you left less than an hour after you made your last post in the PT. So that's still your fault.

Dunnstral · Post Post #436 (ISO) » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:46 pm

In post 0, FakeGod wrote:Ladies

MariaR
Alisae

Kagami

popsofctown
Gamma Emerald

lupin007

Bitmap

Cephrir
Shiro

Pink are people who pretty much will/have gotten partners
Blue are people I'd like to see get partners
Orange is the remainder, who I think we are sorting through today

ISO · Post Post #437 (ISO) » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:46 pm

In post 434, popsofctown wrote:
In post 424, Cephrir wrote:i literally signed up as a lady for this express purpose
Nothing is more frustrating than when someone I'm scumreading says they acted the way they did because they are just deliberately not playing to either wincon :/

i mean i also think i'm going to be better at reading him than i would at reading some rando

isn't that part of the process here

Firebringer · Post Post #438 (ISO) » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:46 pm

In post 434, popsofctown wrote:
In post 424, Cephrir wrote:i literally signed up as a lady for this express purpose
Nothing is more frustrating than when someone I'm scumreading says they acted the way they did because they are just deliberately not playing to either wincon :/

pops i am concerned about u

i feel ur over-acting a bit.

Dunnstral · Post Post #439 (ISO) » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:46 pm

In post 432, Firebringer wrote:wait since when r u the most suspected slot cephrir?

There's been a lot of people saying that they don't like oversoul/cephrir

unwnd · Post Post #440 (ISO) » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:47 pm

In post 433, Ankamius wrote:I'm very conflicted on Cephrir and townlean on Bitmap

Gut says Ceph accepted Deas in the manner he did because he felt pressured about the amount of flak he's taken from the thread (see: him saying that he's the most suspected slot)

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #441 (ISO) » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:47 pm

In post 400, Firebringer wrote:dunnnnnn seems town. i think. i hope. i want.
sure he is town.

Agree with this

Kagami · Post Post #442 (ISO) » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:48 pm

In post 434, popsofctown wrote:
In post 424, Cephrir wrote:i literally signed up as a lady for this express purpose
Nothing is more frustrating than when someone I'm scumreading says they acted the way they did because they are just deliberately not playing to either wincon :/

You have to accept a certain amount of not-playing-to-wincon in these dances. Dunn is very likely to pair with Maria and Firebringer will pair with Shiro regardless of any reads.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #443 (ISO) » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:48 pm

In post 408, Kagami wrote:I approve of deas-ceph.

With Cephrir widely scumread wouldn't it have made sense to leave him unpaired?

Dunnstral · Post Post #444 (ISO) » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:48 pm

Cephrir feels like town to me, what am I missing?

Firebringer · Post Post #445 (ISO) » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:49 pm

i think pops is overacting the concerned townie bit right now. This feels out of place.

Firebringer · Post Post #446 (ISO) » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:49 pm

In post 444, Dunnstral wrote:Cephrir feels like town to me, what am I missing?

Same. its probably the avatar.

Dunnstral · Post Post #447 (ISO) » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:49 pm

In post 442, Kagami wrote:Dunn is very likely to pair with Maria

Nah, we're not doing that anymore since it stopped being special

Ankamius · Post Post #448 (ISO) » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:49 pm

In post 440, unwnd wrote:
In post 433, Ankamius wrote:I'm very conflicted on Cephrir and townlean on Bitmap
Gut says Ceph accepted Deas in the manner he did because he felt pressured about the amount of flak he's taken from the thread (see: him saying that he's the most suspected slot)

well I think the only real scum indicative part of any of that was the timing that he accepted but at the same time it's not exactly something that is indicative by itself

I thought his first couple pages were meh too but I think his general demeanor between there and now diminishes that

so I really don't know with him atm

popsofctown · Post Post #449 (ISO) » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:50 pm

no
you're literally playing the setup wrong
You have to be twice as good as randomly lynching for suicide to be an EV play, due to what Kagami pointed out. We design "balanced" setups at like 40% town EV or whatever so obviously people are not twice as good as random lynching. Correct play is basically never suicide unless the lover PT has the biggest scumslip you've ever seen in your career. So since it's a slot you are unable to lynch from your POV you want it to be town, because you definitely don't want to give lynch proof power roles to scum

And I'm concerned that you are at least halfway cognizant of this dynamic and are just that fearful of death-by-wallflower