Mini 2084: Pokemon Ruby Mafia - Game Over

[EspressoPatronum]

Things seem to be slowing down. Are we waiting on anything in particular, or are we just at a standstill?

@DP, I believe we were working through a revisit on ISOs and reads. Do you think it's helpful to continue this in the down time? If so, who's next?

[EspressoPatronum]

@DP
@Gamma
@Creature

You three are not on the major wagons right now and are thus able to tip the scales one way or another. A few questions to reignite the discussion:
- What's your current read on the two wagons?
- If you had to list 3 people you'd lynch today, who would they be?
- Who do you refuse to vote for today?
- If you could pick the next focus of discussion, who would it be? Why?

Just a few questions that came to mind that might help. If you've already posted about, can you please refer me to the post?

[Gamma Emerald]

Not sure about offers as a wagon, will look him over for myself, as well as Chemist since those seem to be the consensus outside of me v Menalque

Following up on this. What did you come up with?

Fell asleep at my desk. Never mind, finish in the morning.

Gentle reminder on this. I know you're busy though, so take it as you will.

Sorry other things including another game starting distracted me but I will work ok that now

[Gamma Emerald]

@DP
@Gamma
@Creature

You three are not on the major wagons right now and are thus able to tip the scales one way or another. A few questions to reignite the discussion:
- What's your current read on the two wagons?
- If you had to list 3 people you'd lynch today, who would they be?
- Who do you refuse to vote for today?
- If you could pick the next focus of discussion, who would it be? Why?

Just a few questions that came to mind that might help. If you've already posted about, can you please refer me to the post?

>I'll get to that soon enough
>I would like to know some parameters for this but I'd say the ones I'd really not mind lynching are PB, DP, and Chemist rn
>Pine, RedPanda, and Menalque.
>Probably something wrt long game considerations, who might be a deepwolf or who is or isn't towny enough to be above paranoia

[EspressoPatronum]

Thanks for the speedy replies, @Gamma.

What kind of parameters would you like to set for the second question? I'm assuming DP in your top 3 has something to do with said parameters.

[EspressoPatronum]

G2g, but I'll follow up tomorrow.

[Gamma Emerald]

Thanks for the speedy replies, @Gamma.

What kind of parameters would you like to set for the second question? I'm assuming DP in your top 3 has something to do with said parameters.

I answered based on who I felt would be the best vote out as either town or scum, but I don't mind any parameter as long as they're clear.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm sorry but my mother decided to randomly spring a movie night on me so I probably won't be reviewing Chemist and offers as I'll prolly be too tired after the movie

[Pink Ball]

I really need Pine to come over 'cause I'm starting to reevaluate shit like fuck man Gamma and Creature could be scum together shit

This after Menalque's list feels sketchy

Gamma, shut the fuck up please

[Pink Ball]

Sorry that's in no way coming as joyful as I meant it but instead looks rude

[RedPanda]

Creature? is that all you're going to talk about? What happened to town quality? What happened to tims reads? I know you were confused about why tim placed chemist where he was but I now understand it and I wanted to discuss that with you.

[RedPanda]

And RP didn’t seem to me like he’s totally sold on gamma as town from what I remember so I just am not convinced that statement is true

Yeah, I still still see a ofrhz gamma creature scumteam

[Detective Pikachu]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

[Pink Ball]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Is it because of why I think it is?

[RedPanda]

Gamma Emerald Cinnamon
RedPanda
EspressoPatronum
Chemist1422
Klick
Tim Goodman



Menalque u r a person 2
Firebringer Lil Uzi Vert, Dr worm
Detective Pikachu
Creature
Pink Ball
ofrhz ceejayvinoya
Pine ClearlyClarity

Tim reads chemist town here just because of his support on ofrhz wagon. he's scumreading both dp and creature for not helping with it.

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay I might have the energy to read through 1 person tonight

[RedPanda]

ofrhz gamma creature scumteam

I know I shouldn't do this without flips but I want to make sure to leave this here in case I die.

I think this is my best solve.

[Detective Pikachu]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Is it because of why I think it is?

Probably

[Gamma Emerald]

I can feel my attention span slipping so I'll just post what I have so far on offers thought wise

My name is written in invisible ink at the top of my own readslist

Why post this at all?

Ofhrz posting is rly bad.

Why? Do you townread Panda?

Just assume it's coming from town and answer it then

@_@

This whole interaction still has me dazed and confused a little but after working on it I have a small grasp, it also helps I was able to look at later posts and get some perspective

I think ofrhz is worse, their reaction to pressure felt kinda off like they didn’t really care but were acting like they did.

what

I have stuff yo say here but it probably fits better in the future Chemist ISO

Detective Pika is scum and so is gamma calling it now

uh why is gamma scum?

Tbh I get a distinct feeling offers was white knighting me to and through this post, I feel they just seem super convinced I'm town which kinda concerns me, and on top of that I recall offers voting me this day phase which makes it weirder.

idk I don't have that many thoughts on him

The only thing that looks interesting in his iso is that he toneread ceejay and Pink Ball town, and I'm actually not tone townreading Pink ball here, which I think I tend to do when PB is town

actually I think FB could be scum based on uhhhh gut lol

I could join you guys on Menalque

If I voted, it'd be L-1 right

This looks like a hastily planned bandwagoning attempt tbh

I don't have thoughts on that....?

Oh I think Gamma is town :3

This feels like a cop out on actually reading Cinnamon

[Klick]

Wait no I can respond to that real quick.

All I said was you had doubts. I didn't say you lost your scumread or that you want to lynch somewhere else. You're not disagreeing with me.

I just felt like your phrasing was kinda manipulative to play down the gamma vs me situation which in turn makes it easier to deflect onto ofhrz.

Idk I still think you’re prob town but that really seemed off to me.

I also don’t like your thing about not enough people having conviction that gamma is scum. I mean, they’re voting him? And RP didn’t seem to me like he’s totally sold on gamma as town from what I remember so I just am not convinced that statement is true

I mean yes, I have an agenda in what I'm saying - I want ofrhz lynched over Gamma. But I do agree with what I said.

You and EP are voting Gamma and have what I would consider proper conviction. I disagree with your reasons (and I would love your thoughts on my refutation of your reasoning on Cinnamon), but I would consider them legitimate. Ofrhz is also voting Gamma, but his reads progression is suspect and doesn't seem to be thought through - I think he's the scum on the wagon. And DP's reasoning is lazy.
Two players out of eleven with what seems to be legitimate conviction in their Gamma votes. That's why I'm saying it doesn't seem right.

[Menalque]

I will hit you up on that if/when I get a chance on this holiday

If I don’t it was fundamentally that I just think I know Cinnamon better and can read him better

If I can I’ll try to distill my thinking a bit more

[Menalque]

Also I guess that’s a fair point about the agenda thing

[RedPanda]

This is ridiculous. I've been waiting to engage creature for three days.

[Creature]

The Creature in this game feels different than the Creature in Newbie 1936. I can't put my finger on it though.

1936: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10983772

He's still just as active in this game, but it seems like he's producing less information compared to 1936.

Cuz Shubbins was obvscum af that other game and I can't find someone obvscum af in this game also I failed to whiteknight the slot I was supposed to be defending (LUV's slot).

[Creature]

I think I produced way more info this game than that other game though.