2078: Any Non-Dead Person Can Post In This Mafia Game [end]

[chennisden]

There was a recent open game where he had to rush to give out reads after leading on scum D1

[mastina]

you know full well that I'm a way better scumhunter than you.

Sure you are!
You're better.
Doesn't make you infallible.
Doesn't mean I can't have correct reads.
Doesn't mean that in fucking lylo I am going to blindly sheep you when every peace of evidence, every bit of gut, every bit of analysis, every bit of reasoning I can think of, even listening to the dead players, tells me not to.

Fuck your record. You won't win me over by appealing to it.

You'll win me over by appealing to the evidence and the facts.

Not "sheep me I'm right".

Not "you're fucking wrong".
Not "you don't vote with me, I vote you".

If ofhrz is scum, then you can convince me, off of mechanics, off of balance, off of NKA, off of reasoning, off of posting, off of meta, off of everything, off of reasons, that he is scum. And you literally have all the fucking time in the world to do it. No deadlines. You could spend months asking me to read ofhrz's meta extensively. Word by word ask me to read every towngame of his and every scumgame of his. We'd have the time for me to fucking do that.

You could spend months asking me to read Ausuka's meta extensively. Work by word ask me to read every towngame of hers and every scumgame of hers. We'd have the time for me to fucking do that.

And I firmly believe that given sufficient time, given sufficient analysis, who is scum would be clear.

Yet right now.

Off of all the analysis I've done.
It just looks like Ausuka.

[RadiantCowbells]

Not "you don't vote with me, I vote you".

when i'm conftown this should literally be all that matters.

[Chemist1422]

quit making this personal it’s annoying to read

[RadiantCowbells]

it's rly not personal, from my side at least.

[RadiantCowbells]

i really wish there was a way to hammertest ofrhz onto mastina to force her to acknowledge that he's town without giving ofrhz hammer on her.

[RadiantCowbells]

err

ausuka onto mastina.

actually there is

[RadiantCowbells]

err

ausuka onto mastina.

actually there is

[RadiantCowbells]

but it requires ofrhz to vote mastina so.

[chennisden]

He had three main scumreads in his final readslist.

He identified three people who could've been scum.

One of them was actually scum and was obvious.

The other two were not scum.

And RC put Bitmap in the bottom of his town pool.

And I identified which reads were right. There were 4 or 5 non-trivial reads to do that too. There was also a non-zero chance town would've derp ignored RC's Buj SR.

I understand where RC is coming from and Ofrhz is scum

[RadiantCowbells]

to acknowledge she's town sorry I'm getting lost

Wait, Ofrhz, what's your preferred pronoun?

[RadiantCowbells]

For the record chennis

I was

SUPER FUCKING CLEAR

all game that Buj was the guy who was always the buddy and the others were just my best bet for the remainder based on associatives.

[chennisden]

and, I dunno.

I'm pulling this from the top of my head so it's really not hard.

[chennisden]

For the record chennis

I was

SUPER FUCKING CLEAR

all game that Buj was the guy who was always the buddy and the others were just my best bet for the remainder based on associatives.

Yeah - not saying that you did "bad" or anything that game.

You clearly carried.

[chennisden]

But I dunno.

There are a few people who would've voted wrong there RC

[RadiantCowbells]

if shoshin wasn't in the game town would have lost, yes.

[RadiantCowbells]

btw i already cased ofrhz and you just said "NO AUSUKA DID THIS MORE" even when it didn't apply at all, so.

[chennisden]

But the point is.

rc is right on the last scum

[mastina]

I've done all I'm doing to convince you, Mastina.

And it's not enough because it's not talking to me on my fucking terms.

It's demanding to be sheeped.

And fuck no you. don't. get. that. in. lylo.

If this were before lylo you bet your ass I'd give it to you in a heartbeat.

But it is lylo.

And when in a lylo.
There's only two ways I act.
I either cast a vote because I am so sure someone's scum that I'll instantly eat the loss if I'm wrong.
Or I take until literally the last minute to hammer someone because I'm that much not sure.
Given that this game has no 'last minute', I can take as much time as is necessary to vote. I'm voting Ausuka right now mostly because it works as a statement and there's no hammer risk because Ausuka won't self-hammer and even if ofhrz voted Ausuka you wouldn't hammer her so I know I can do so safely. (In fact I'd actually just prefer if he did vote Ausuka because that way either you're scum, you win, and I take the blame for the loss, and we can be done with this game and move on...or you become conftown and thus fully and entirely 100% limit it to only ofhrz/Ausuka.)

But the principle still applies there.
I can take as much time as is necessary to come to my conclusions.
So fuck your insistence on ending it now.
You want it to end now, you're not going to have that happen with an ofhrz lynch. You want it to end with a scum lynch, you take time. You walk me through in every way why scum are scum and town are town. If I don't see ofhrz as scum I won't vote for ofhrz.

But it really shouldn't be hard for you to convince me ofhrz is scum if he really is--because, again. I saw him as scum for most of the game and can see him as scum again quite easily I imagine. I just flat-out outright

don't

right now because nothing seems to fit with him as scum and lots fits with Ausuka as scum.

I realize that in lylo, every player has reasons to be town; every player has reasons to be scum. But the scum have the most reason to be scum and the town have more reasons to be town. And right now all I see is ofhrz has fairly good, compelling reasons to be town; Ausuka has fairly good, compelling, reasons to be scum.

[Chemist1422]

it's rly not personal, from my side at least.

idk I suck at reading into stuff but at least to me it looks like it’s making you both upset on a higher level than “I want to win this game”

maybe it’s that you’re both trying to impress the other person in a weird way? like positive jealousy

I’m not making any sense but whatever

[chennisden]

if you can't make someone vote scum

what else can you do

[chennisden]

i was also going to say something about "if deadline kill mastina" but then i realized.

[chennisden]

mastina is town

[mastina]

Not "you don't vote with me, I vote you".

when i'm conftown this should literally be all that matters.

Fuck your record. You won't win me over by appealing to it.

You'll win me over by appealing to the evidence and the facts.

Not "sheep me I'm right".

Not "you're fucking wrong".
Not "you don't vote with me, I vote you".

If ofhrz is scum, then you can convince me, off of mechanics, off of balance, off of NKA, off of reasoning, off of posting, off of meta, off of everything, off of reasons, that he is scum. And you literally have all the fucking time in the world to do it. No deadlines. You could spend months asking me to read ofhrz's meta extensively. Word by word ask me to read every towngame of his and every scumgame of his. We'd have the time for me to fucking do that.

You could spend months asking me to read Ausuka's meta extensively. Work by word ask me to read every towngame of hers and every scumgame of hers. We'd have the time for me to fucking do that.

And I firmly believe that given sufficient time, given sufficient analysis, who is scum would be clear.

Yet right now.

Off of all the analysis I've done.
It just looks like Ausuka.

RC in a battle of stubbornness you will fucking lose.
I won't budge by your browbeating.

You want me to vote ofhrz then fucking CONVINCE me to vote ofhrz.

Yelling at me in ten different ways to vote ofhrz because you're right?

That won't work.
And you fucking know it won't work. You've seen me be stubborn as shit. You've seen how absolute I am when I take stances like this.

You want me to vote ofhrz?
Then show me why ofhrz is scum.
Don't shout at me that he is scum.

[chennisden]

like, if mastina refuses to vote ofrhz, you don't have much a choice.