Starry Night [Game Over]

[Cephrir]

maybe pumbaa will get me the validation i need

[Cephrir]

i guess i can't really complain about there not being a lynch yet when i'm not trying to lynch the same person the IC is trying to lynch

[unwnd]

There's a reason You-Know-Who always butted heads with you Maria: It's cuz ur very similar in approach as town. I have to read him kinda the same way but I'd say that he's sorta grown into a more wall-y player. You are again different people however but my observations made feel (mostly) correct? Like, I'm not gonna sit here and say that because you are not playing the way I expect that means your scum, but rather I'm leaning on you being scum for the ineffectiveness of your play right now because I do admire your reads when you have them or even your input. Like, I read your response to me and you're saying you're transparent but I wonder why you're exactly making them. I wonder why you're focusing on the emotional aspect of my arguments unless you feel like that's the only thing I've criticized you for-- which it's not. My argument is not 'you are acting this way therefore scummy', my argument is 'you are acting this way for a reason, and the way you are doing it feels far more self-preservational. I think you are acting this way and making reads you don't entirely believe in even if you want to make the impression you do.'

[unwnd]

I don't think I even had unwnd on board in the love pt

I'll sort him later is basically my thought right now lol

[unwnd]

I guess another thing I wanna bring forward is why you easily resigned to me being a townread. I don't feel I deserved it. You said you were looking for something in me and yet it never came to light what it is. You say 'im an easy read' but I dunno I have lots of evidence that suggests you don't feel that way.

[unwnd]

I think that I also shade you a lot for the way u play but then you do something that proves me wrong and it's like 'oh lol nevermind'. Like last game on this acc I was kinda meh on you but I've accepted ill

Spoiler:

exaggerate my stance on you to some extent to gauge your reaction

[OkaPoka]

ok so ank is actually just ignoring me

i dont know how to feel about this

[OkaPoka]

Again: I don't see Maria actually pushing lynches? If anything she is playing defense right now

[Dunnstral]

100% loudest one though

Yes, looks like you initially had a scumread on FB that has recently flipped, GR had FB as townread when he made his list, and that's it among living players as far as I can tell.

Makes me somewhat skeptical of Shiro-scum unless we're hypothesizing a scum-scum pair. There's some plausibility in {shiro, GR}, I think, but that requires further review.

As I mentioned I think he's more likely town than not

[Dunnstral]

I have a townread in most if not all of the pairings

[Dunnstral]

DeasVail

-

Cephrir

Kagami

- SXTLHGaiden

Ankamius

- MariaR

Firebringer

- Shiro
OkaPoka -

Gamma Emerald

Dunnstral

-

Bitmap

unwnd

- popsofctown

Golden Robster

- Creature

This is what I'm thinking

Gamma is so so

[FakeGod]

VoteCount 1.4

DeasVail - Cephrir [1] - Ankamius
Kagami - SXTLHGaiden [0] -
Ankamius - MariaR [2] - OkaPoka, Bitmap
Firebringer - Shiro [4] - Cephrir, Creature, Dunnstral, Golden Robster
OkaPoka - Gamma Emerald [3] - unwnd, popsofctown, Kagami
Dunnstral - Bitmap [3] - MariaR, Firebringer, Gamma Emerald
unwnd - popsofctown [0] -
Golden Robster - Creature [0] -

Not Voting [3]

- SXTLHGaiden, DeasVail, Shiro

With 16 alive it takes 9 votes to lynch

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Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2019-07-22 16:00:00)

[DeasVail]

Dunn I would be interested in hearing your reasoning for me/Ceph town.

[Dunnstral]

@Kagami I talked with Oka and he told me he didn't really agree with my take at this point so I'll just state it and then write up my read list
I feel like Dunnstral actually makes more sense as scum in the Dunn + Bitmap pairing. My logic is as follows.
Alisae is getting widely townread and the general consensus is e should pair with Dunnstral. Meanwhile Bitmap and Dunnstral have interactions that would make sense for leading up to a pairing but if that doesn't happen Bitmap is kinda up shit creek. So Dunn takes a chance that Bitmap will accept as a way to throw Alisae out of the game early as e wasn't feeling any of the other possible partners at that point. Now this doesn't guarantee Bitmap is town but it makes more sense than Dunn town and Bitmap scum to me because of how the pairing felt. Had it been the other way I'd expect to have things happen in a way to where I'm like "that was sketchy from Bitmap" but it's a deep-seated concern about the fact that pairing happened at all.
And I mentioned Oka isn't on board now but when we first talked about it he kinda agreed on some points so I feel good about it since we both saw those things initially

Kagami
Ank
Oka
MariaR
Bitmap
Cephrir
Creature
pops
Fire
Shiro
Gaiden
unwnd
DV
GRob
Dunn

These are my reads rn, the middle of the list (Cephrir to unwnd) isn't super confident but that's how I feel about them rn.
VOTE: Dunnstral

Uh, 2538 only explains how I

could

be scum and make those choices, it doesn't actually explain why you think I'm scum in the first place, or why that is now your strongest read

[Dunnstral]

Dunn I would be interested in hearing your reasoning for me/Ceph town.

I've been liking your posting and your reads and your takes on the game. Am I underestimating you as scum?

Cephrir has pretty consistently looked like town to me this game, the think Bitmap brought up where his read changed was a little weird to me. I think the way he goes from questioning oka/gamma to saying they're not likely to be scum is town indicative (I think scum are more likely to continue to scumread the player in that situation)

[Dunnstral]

Uh, 2538 only explains how I could be scum and make those choices, it doesn't actually explain why you think I'm scum in the first place, or why that is now your strongest read

Basically you've chosen to scumread me for something I

could

be doing, instead of looking at what I've actually done in this game. Why?

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Ankamius/MariaR

I'm pretty sure MariaR is scum

And no, I'm not partnered with her

[Dunnstral]

OkaPoka- not impressed so far, could be scum

can gamma and i have like 48 hours before we get ded in a pt

no

Fuck you
I don't mind dying if I get a chance to try to solve the game, but if you decide to lynch me before I get that chance I'm gonna be pissed

still don't understand why you need a pt for this

Because Oka needs the PT to solve, essentially

W H Y T H O

Unpopular Opinion: FB - Shiro just seems like an easy lynch for scum.

This is how I feel about okapoka tho

This is the progression where I was saying I think scum would have kept the scumread going

And it doesn't feel like partner interactions

[popsofctown]

do I need to teach you about snowballs the way i taught cephrir

[Gamma Emerald]

@Kagami I talked with Oka and he told me he didn't really agree with my take at this point so I'll just state it and then write up my read list
I feel like Dunnstral actually makes more sense as scum in the Dunn + Bitmap pairing. My logic is as follows.
Alisae is getting widely townread and the general consensus is e should pair with Dunnstral. Meanwhile Bitmap and Dunnstral have interactions that would make sense for leading up to a pairing but if that doesn't happen Bitmap is kinda up shit creek. So Dunn takes a chance that Bitmap will accept as a way to throw Alisae out of the game early as e wasn't feeling any of the other possible partners at that point. Now this doesn't guarantee Bitmap is town but it makes more sense than Dunn town and Bitmap scum to me because of how the pairing felt. Had it been the other way I'd expect to have things happen in a way to where I'm like "that was sketchy from Bitmap" but it's a deep-seated concern about the fact that pairing happened at all.
And I mentioned Oka isn't on board now but when we first talked about it he kinda agreed on some points so I feel good about it since we both saw those things initially

Kagami
Ank
Oka
MariaR
Bitmap
Cephrir
Creature
pops
Fire
Shiro
Gaiden
unwnd
DV
GRob
Dunn

These are my reads rn, the middle of the list (Cephrir to unwnd) isn't super confident but that's how I feel about them rn.
VOTE: Dunnstral

Uh, 2538 only explains how I

could

be scum and make those choices, it doesn't actually explain why you think I'm scum in the first place, or why that is now your strongest read

The core of it is what Oka and Ank both suggested (Alisae was a better wallflower for scum than Bitmap) which leads into the thing I initially found scummy, which was you asking out Bitmap when you did. As for being the strongest read, honestly my theory equally implicates GRob which is why he's at second highest scumread, I just put you at the bottom because I'm voting you and your actions drove the thinking I'm going with.
And since this is on my mind why is your TR on me "so-so"?

[MariaR]

Man part of me wants to be lazy and just ignore you cause I know for a fact some of this is just a test to help you get a read on me otherwise you’d be pushing me harder but then people are gonna say ‘Maria is ignoring the case,’ even though I’m not getting lynched today I feel obligated to answer. *yawn*

just feel like you're not for what I expect for this approach to be normally town. Does this make sense?

Yes, in the example you gave that makes sense, but when your logic is flawed in a base sense it’s very invalid. You expect me to play in a ‘certain playstyle.’ The reason I tell people meta doesn’t work on me is because of how often I change my playstyle based on how I want/how I feel. It’s so stupidly easy for me that if you expect me to play a certain way your going to most likely just get the wrong result.

There's a reason You-Know-Who always butted heads with you Maria: It's cuz ur very similar in approach as town.

Is it bad I’m drawing a blank unless you mean woofers but I don’t think you do.

but rather I'm leaning on you being scum for the ineffectiveness of your play right now because I do admire your reads when you have them

*Tilts head*
Huh? Why don’t you ask me about my reads then. I have a solid reason for why I’m trying to play more of a backseat to this game, my partner and I both agree on it. But even if I am playing a back seat I don’t think my reads have been ifeffective or that I have a lack of them. In fact, I have a pretty good read on every slot in the game besides 2 players.

Like, I read your response to me and you're saying you're transparent but I wonder why you're exactly making them. I wonder why you're focusing on the emotional aspect of my arguments unless you feel like that's the only thing I've criticized you for-- which it's not. My argument is not 'you are acting this way therefore scummy', my argument is 'you are acting this way for a reason, and the way you are doing it feels far more self-preservational

I suppose you’re somewhat correct, I definitely had a gameplan going into this first dance (and this game, but you haven’t commented on what I purposely did to my knowlage so I see no reason to bring it up) and I’ve had to make a few adjustments but it’s still going on track. If you really think I’m scum for that by all means.

I guess another thing I wanna bring forward is why you easily resigned to me being a townread. I don't feel I deserved it. You said you were looking for something in me and yet it never came to light what it is. You say 'im an easy read' but I dunno I have lots of evidence that suggests you don't feel that way.

Why would I explain to you what it is I was looking for or, if I ever found that something? That seems pretty bad to do and I would never admit if I found it or not. Even if you feel you don't deserve the TR I found it myself and think you're town. If you think you have 'evidence' that suggests I'm wrong please point it out for the group. I'll wait. What a drag...

Again: I don't see Maria actually pushing lynches? If anything she is playing defense right now

Wonderful shade but I feel I’ve been pretty clear on who I want dead. (You/Bit/Ceph/Des)

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah I felt like unwnd meant Decsnart when he said You-know-who

[MariaR]

VOTE: Ankamius/MariaR

I'm pretty sure MariaR is scum

And no, I'm not partnered with her

You know, I'm surprised you commited a read to me. I thought you'd stop doing that since last time.

[Dunnstral]

I made it pretty clear that I wanted creature to leave the dance. I didn't ask for everybody to act like I was their last hope for the dance.

I just put you at the bottom because I'm voting you

ok...

And since this is on my mind why is your TR on me "so-so"?

Your play has become more "meh" ever since you paired up - including the end of pre-dance where you didn't have much to say as things were going on IMO

[Gamma Emerald]

@MariaR pls tell me what you think of my Dunn thoughts