Starry Night [Game Over]

[OkaPoka]

im not shading

im wondering why other people are saying u are pushing lynches

[MariaR]

@MariaR pls tell me what you think of my Dunn thoughts

Hm, I've mostly dismissed Dunn this game because my thought has always been 'Bit is scum and Dunn wouldn't suicide pair with them as scum' and if I was wrong on Bit Dunn is scum so I suppose I like where your vote is even if I don't really know how I feel about your reasoning because it requires to think Bitmap is town lol.
Pedit: Because I am?

[Dunnstral]

MariaR's reads are stale and show little thought. She should know better to have such a bad BitMap read as town - that's why she's scum. The rest of her posting is neutral

[Gamma Emerald]

I made it pretty clear that I wanted creature to leave the dance. I didn't ask for everybody to act like I was their last hope for the dance.

And yet GRob had established they didn't want to pair with Alisae. So the only one who might partner with Alisae was unwnd whom Alisae didn't want to partner with iirc. As such your course of action caused Alisae to be left out in the end and it wasn't an impossible-to-see outcome.

I just put you at the bottom because I'm voting you

ok...

And since this is on my mind why is your TR on me "so-so"?

Your play has become more "meh" ever since you paired up - including the end of pre-dance where you didn't have much to say as things were going on IMO

I recall being pre-occupied at the end of pre-dance

[Dunnstral]

@MariaR pls tell me what you think of my Dunn thoughts

Hm, I've mostly dismissed Dunn this game because my thought has always been 'Bit is scum and Dunn wouldn't suicide pair with them as scum' and if I was wrong on Bit Dunn is scum so I suppose I like where your vote is even if I don't really know how I feel about your reasoning because it requires to think Bitmap is town lol.
Pedit: Because I am?

This is a super scum post

[Dunnstral]

As such your course of action caused Alisae to be left out in the end and it wasn't an impossible-to-see outcome.

I had a stronger read on Bitmap than Alisae, up until the point where it was clear that Alisae wasn't getting a partner where I'd say it was obvious they were town (but not before then)

[MariaR]

MariaR's reads are stale and show little thought. She should know better to have such a bad BitMap read as town - that's why she's scum. The rest of her posting is neutral

'I disagree with your opinion so you're scum.'
Alright then. If you think I'd tunnel your pairing first as scum that's....
Along with the fact your reasoning is so bad. You townread Bitmap for the reasons I scumread them. So I don't know how my reads are 'stale' and show 'little thought.'

[Dunnstral]

You scumread Bitmap because you decided you would after their early posting, their more recent posting has shown a lot of different thoughts which you just brush off to continue scumreading them

[MariaR]

This is also awful logic because I can very well fake reads and come up with good reads/fake thoughts as scum. (Not that my reads are stale or show little thought in the first place.)
Pedit: That's not even close to true that's just you making assumptios. I questioned you on it and you didn't give a good explnation you said 'I'll show you after Bitmap posts more.' You never did that. Nothing they've posted this dance phase has made me change my mind and since my partner agrees with me I feel confident on the read. Stop using buzz words like 'brush off' when you have no facts to prove half the stuff you're saying Dunn. *Yawn*

[Dunnstral]

Gamma I think the case you presented would have to have another scumread attached

As in, what I'd expect you to be pushing is: Dunn is scum because x, and look, he could have chosen bitmap instead of alisae because of y

Instead, the reason I'm scum is apparently because I chose bitmap instead of alisae.

Here's the kicker though: If I had chosen alisae instead of bitmap, and bitmap flipped town, would you be arguing that choosing alisae made me scummy?

I think you, or -somebody- in this game, would, and so I think that angle is garbage

[Dunnstral]

This is also awful logic because I can very well fake reads and come up with good reads/fake thoughts as scum.

Maybe you should do it then

[Gamma Emerald]

As such your course of action caused Alisae to be left out in the end and it wasn't an impossible-to-see outcome.

I had a stronger read on Bitmap than Alisae, up until the point where it was clear that Alisae wasn't getting a partner where I'd say it was obvious they were town (but not before then)

Your "stronger townread" is why I mention your groundwork, you essentially drew Bitmap in to pair with you. I wasn't exactly confident Bitmap was town yet but writing this up I realized your play around Bitmap is a transparent pocketing ploy, so now they're confidently town for me.

[unwnd]

Yes Maria I don't feel like trying to circumvent you into admitting something so reads are fine for now

[Dunnstral]

If you're not going to move off our pair I'm not unvoting you as you hold reasonable scum equity

If you want to explore other options I'm all ears and am willing to discuss it with you

[MariaR]

Why don't you try responding to your other angle you posted. Wait, you can't because it's made up and not real. It's just baseless assumptions

[MariaR]

If you're not going to move off our pair I'm not unvoting you as you hold reasonable scum equity

If you want to explore other options I'm all ears and am willing to discuss it with you

Ohhh this is why you're trying to make up a scumread on me. Shallow move but understandable. Carry on

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma I think the case you presented would have to have another scumread attached

As in, what I'd expect you to be pushing is: Dunn is scum because x, and look, he could have chosen bitmap instead of alisae because of y

Instead, the reason I'm scum is apparently because I chose bitmap instead of alisae.

Here's the kicker though: If I had chosen alisae instead of bitmap, and bitmap flipped town, would you be arguing that choosing alisae made me scummy?

I think you, or -somebody- in this game, would, and so I think that angle is garbage

No I probably wouldn't. I have had problems with the way you paired with Bitmap from the start which wouldn't exist had you just paired with Alisae.

[DeasVail]

I think Ceph is town.

Also I was hoping to have more time for this but my work day has basically derailed so we’ll see

[MariaR]

Gamma I think the case you presented would have to have another scumread attached

As in, what I'd expect you to be pushing is: Dunn is scum because x, and look, he could have chosen bitmap instead of alisae because of y

Instead, the reason I'm scum is apparently because I chose bitmap instead of alisae.

Here's the kicker though: If I had chosen alisae instead of bitmap, and bitmap flipped town, would you be arguing that choosing alisae made me scummy?

I think you, or -somebody- in this game, would, and so I think that angle is garbage

No I probably wouldn't. I have had problems with the way you paired with Bitmap from the start which wouldn't exist had you just paired with Alisae.

Gamma one thing you need to know about Dunn is how extremely stubborn and easily blind he is. He kept on questioning on why people were lynching him/why he should die when he paired with Bitmap when over half the game expressed interest in the slots death. If you want to play around Dunn you need to show him why he's being stubborn/wrong or he won't listen.

[Dunnstral]

As such your course of action caused Alisae to be left out in the end and it wasn't an impossible-to-see outcome.

I had a stronger read on Bitmap than Alisae, up until the point where it was clear that Alisae wasn't getting a partner where I'd say it was obvious they were town (but not before then)

Your "stronger townread" is why I mention your groundwork, you essentially drew Bitmap in to pair with you. I wasn't exactly confident Bitmap was town yet but writing this up I realized your play around Bitmap is a transparent pocketing ploy, so now they're confidently town for me.

Once again, I never asked anyone to be like "I can only pair with dunn now!"

It came to the point where if I hadn't paired with Bitmap, he wouldn't have been paired up - but I didn't manipulate things to that state, I was doing the opposite - I was explaining my read on why they were town, and was asking the remaining gentlemen their opinions on who they were thinking of pairing before doing anything myself

[Cephrir]

to cosign: i also think dv is town. it's not my strongest read in the game, but i got there

[MariaR]

I'd love to hear either of your reasoning for townreading the other @Des/Ceph since I scumread both of you (Obviously I am incorrect on one of you)

[Dunnstral]

So everyone can see the way Maria suddenly changed her tune around me and how suddenly I can be scum, right?

What was her read on me in post ~400, again?

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma one thing you need to know about Dunn is how extremely stubborn and easily blind he is. He kept on questioning on why people were lynching him/why he should die when he paired with Bitmap when over half the game expressed interest in the slots death. If you want to play around Dunn you need to show him why he's being stubborn/wrong or he won't listen.

I am arguing against Dunn, not with Dunn. As such my aim isn't to convince Dunn of anything but counter his logic.

[Dunnstral]

Gamma one thing you need to know about Dunn is how extremely stubborn and easily blind he is. He kept on questioning on why people were lynching him/why he should die when he paired with Bitmap when over half the game expressed interest in the slots death. If you want to play around Dunn you need to show him why he's being stubborn/wrong or he won't listen.

I am arguing against Dunn, not with Dunn. As such my aim isn't to convince Dunn of anything but counter his logic.

So no matter what I say, you're going to try to counter it?