Starry Night [Game Over]

[Dunnstral]

What did you ask me?

[MariaR]

Mariar in Witches' Halloween Ball:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=28247

Very pushy, even when pressured.

This game:

"Hah, you think you can even touch lynching me?" attitude.

Mostly gut reads that there's a discrepancy here.

What part of meta on me doesn't work do you not understand?

[Bitmap]

Mariar in Witches' Halloween Ball:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=28247

Very pushy, even when pressured.

This game:

"Hah, you think you can even touch lynching me?" attitude.

Mostly gut reads that there's a discrepancy here.

What part of meta on me doesn't work do you not understand?

That's a WIFOM counter-argument you're giving though. Are you so knowledgeable about your play that you notice every minute nuances in your play?

[Cephrir]

I dont really want to give a blow by blow PT summary unless I have to. It feels denigrating, somehow. Like I'm a second class player who isnt allowed to do things.

[MariaR]

What did you ask me?

I want you to explain your scumread without using buzz words because half of the stuff your accusing me is stuff that isn't happening and is just baseless assumptions. I want you to explain why Bit is town because they're very clearly scum in my eyes. Do that and I'll answer your questions.
pedit: You'd be surprised. Also I've stated meta doesn't work on me in many games not just this one, because it doesn't. If my play was so easy to detect with Meta I wouldn't have such a highscum winrate.

[MariaR]

This is mostly a waste of time because I know I'll get out of this 'well besides Bitmap who now pushes me when Dunn does' (that timing though) but I'll play along I suppose. It is why I paired up with Ank after all.

[Dunnstral]

c) I am saying ur applying the standards of which you operate scum onto bitmap.

I don't think that's true, though

Do you disagree that Bitmap, as scum, would be more mindful about saying something that might come back to bite him when he is at a crucial point, those points being

1) When he needed me to partner them
2) When people started saying they were scummy at day start

Further, I think being able to catch that Cephrir's read on them changed in a weird way is something that comes from town a good portion of the time (looking at specific people on your own wagon who aren't popular lynch options)

Dunnstral, let me go down this route instead.

How does bitmap play this if he is scum? Lets assume he is town. What does he do differently in your opinion?

I think they'd play in a way that draws less attention to themselves at crucial points (like when he needs me to pair with him so he doesn't die!) where he calls out Kagami, and then later when he pushed Cephrir/Deas

I'm going to defend GR over here a bit. Kagami has done nothing remotely town worthy except get confirmed town by the mod. Kagami also wasted the opportunity to pair up with a player who is a very high town read by a majority of players here.

There I said it. I expect backlash from this.

My one issue with you is that if you were scum I think it's a natural response to townread me as you catch back up into the game since I was talking pretty favorably about you and most other people weren't

I understand that you don't have strong reads but I'm noting that you don't seem to be questioning anything I do either: For example, maybe thinking that I didn't send you an invite because you'd drag me down if I were scum or something

Maybe it's because I tr you and we have similar reads? If you do end up being scummy in the end and we do pair, I would have no problem suiciding.

Also a good chunk of the ladies have a TR on me.

Here are posts that I consider towny from Bitmap

I have bitmap are more likely town than not, but 1568 does not deserve to be treated as town-indicative.

Based on Bitmap's play, if they were scum I'd think they would be less likely to directly call you out like that

[Bitmap]

This is mostly a waste of time because I know I'll get out of this 'well besides Bitmap who now pushes me when Dunn does' (that timing though) but I'll play along I suppose. It is why I paired up with Ank after all.

Excuse me? I pushed you first and had my vote on you before Dunn.

[Bitmap]

You're playing like you're overconfident scum who doesn't think they can be D1 lynch.

[Dunnstral]

What did you ask me?

I want you to explain your scumread without using buzz words because half of the stuff your accusing me is stuff that isn't happening and is just baseless assumptions. I want you to explain why Bit is town because they're very clearly scum in my eyes. Do that and I'll answer your questions.
pedit: You'd be surprised. Also I've stated meta doesn't work on me in many games not just this one, because it doesn't. If my play was so easy to detect with Meta I wouldn't have such a highscum winrate.

My scumread on you is as follows:

- You are playing a very neutral game, other people see this as towny but it's not, for you, it's something you can easily do as scum
- You repeatedly ask the same question instead of taking the initiative when I'm explaining why I think bitmap is town multiple times in thread
- Process of elimination - other people look towny and you don't
- You avoid answering questions and then say "why would I do that as scum" - that's not how it works. I don't know why you'd do it as scum, but it doesn't make you town. Why would you do it as town?
- As soon as I voted you you did a 180 where even though you refused to give reads on me when I asked multiple times, all of a sudden I 'could be scum, if bitmap is town'

[MariaR]

You're playing like you're overconfident scum who doesn't think they can be D1 lynch.

I'm just very self aware enough to know how to get myself out of situations like this. I'm confident enough in my ablities to take a back seat like I want to until I feel the need to open the flood gates per se. I'm always scared of being the Day 1 lynch, but if I don't have confidence in myself then nothing good will come of it. So I suppose you're half right.

[MariaR]

What did you ask me?

I want you to explain your scumread without using buzz words because half of the stuff your accusing me is stuff that isn't happening and is just baseless assumptions. I want you to explain why Bit is town because they're very clearly scum in my eyes. Do that and I'll answer your questions.
pedit: You'd be surprised. Also I've stated meta doesn't work on me in many games not just this one, because it doesn't. If my play was so easy to detect with Meta I wouldn't have such a highscum winrate.

My scumread on you is as follows:

- You are playing a very neutral game, other people see this as towny but it's not, for you, it's something you can easily do as scum
- You repeatedly ask the same question instead of taking the initiative when I'm explaining why I think bitmap is town multiple times in thread
- Process of elimination - other people look towny and you don't
- You avoid answering questions and then say "why would I do that as scum" - that's not how it works. I don't know why you'd do it as scum, but it doesn't make you town. Why would you do it as town?
- As soon as I voted you you did a 180 where even though you refused to give reads on me when I asked multiple times, all of a sudden I 'could be scum, if bitmap is town'

1) This isn't even true. I've made my reads very open and clear for the most part. You all know who I want to lynch and that hasn't changed. Just because I'm not being gun ho (people know I hate doing this regardless) doesn't mean I'm playing a neutral game. So while you're right I could play a neutral game as scum I don't think I have been in the first place. I've been playing rather reversed imo.
2) Because I already explained why Bipmap is scum. I don't see a need to repeat myself over and over and get in a fightwith you on why Bit is scum when I can just lynch you because Ik you're stubborn and blind so you won't change your mind. That's how youwork
3) We both know this is a personal issue with your confidence level and insecurities around me so stop that now even though you'll never admit it we've talked about this before so stop using OGI to cloud your judgement
4) I don't ever avoid questions I just tell someone I won't answer them because I don't see the answer as helpful so I ask people to trust me. I do this all the time. You justsaw the mini we were in.
5) I've had that opinion on you long ago. Ank can vouch for me that I said I would've sr you most likely if youdidn't pair with Bit.

[MariaR]

I was townreading you in post 500. There's your answer.

[Kagami]

DeasVail

-

Cephrir

Kagami

- SXTLHGaiden

Ankamius

- MariaR

Firebringer

- Shiro
OkaPoka -

Gamma Emerald

<---

Dunnstral

-

Bitmap

unwnd

- popsofctown

Golden Robster

- Creature

Gamma is so so

How about we just get on with lynching this pair then? A non-town plus a so-so seems pretty solid.

[Dunnstral]

3) We both know this is a personal issue with your confidence level and insecurities around me so stop that now even though you'll never admit it we've talked about this before so stop using OGI to cloud your judgement

Literally I don't know what you're talking about here but me not townreading you here isn't a 'personal issue'

[MariaR]

Whatever you say Dunn.

[Dunnstral]

DeasVail

-

Cephrir

Kagami

- SXTLHGaiden

Ankamius

- MariaR

Firebringer

- Shiro
OkaPoka -

Gamma Emerald

<---

Dunnstral

-

Bitmap

unwnd

- popsofctown

Golden Robster

- Creature

Gamma is so so

How about we just get on with lynching this pair then? A non-town plus a so-so seems pretty solid.

I don't have an argument against this anymore

VOTE: OkaPoka/Gamma Emerald

[Dunnstral]

I was townreading you in post 500. There's your answer.

Do you think Bitmap having paranoia about my slot and your slot makes them more likely or less likely to be scum?

I didn't think it was unreasonable (based on looking at you, not at what I was doing)

[MariaR]

As I said, he unvoted as I expected. Now can people stop faking scumreads on me so I can focus on my plan and notes? It really makes this less annoying for me thank you.
pedit: I think it's NAI. As town it's neautral to have said Paranoia, as scum if they didn't show any it would've been super sus.

[SXTLHGaiden]

As I said, he unvoted as I expected. Now can people stop faking scumreads on me so I can focus on my plan and notes? It really makes this less annoying for me thank you.
pedit: I think it's NAI. As town it's neautral to have said Paranoia, as scum if they didn't show any it would've been super sus.

can i keep my fake scumread on you?

[Dunnstral]

5) I've had that opinion on you long ago. Ank can vouch for me that I said I would've sr you most likely if youdidn't pair with Bit.

So if I don't pair with bit, I'm scum. And if I do pair with bit, he's scum so I need to die anyway. And if Bit isn't scum, then that must mean I'm scum, because I paired with Bit

[Dunnstral]

And then when I say that other people look like town and you don't, I have 'personal problems'

[Bitmap]

So MariaR was going to lynch Dunn one way or another?

Seems kind of calculated.

[MariaR]

As I said, he unvoted as I expected. Now can people stop faking scumreads on me so I can focus on my plan and notes? It really makes this less annoying for me thank you.
pedit: I think it's NAI. As town it's neautral to have said Paranoia, as scum if they didn't show any it would've been super sus.

can i keep my fake scumread on you?

Only because you made a great Pun yes
pedit: My main reason for thinking you were scum is because I didn't think town you would fake how your feeling on me for so long, but I misjudged how misguided your feelings on me were clearly. But to answer your 3 questions
1) It would've went up
2) Yup.
3) Nope.

[unwnd]

All grievous sins are forgiven if we just nut up and lynch some motherfuckers

Preferably the person i am on. Thank u