Mini 2084: Pokemon Ruby Mafia - Game Over

[ofrhz]

I admit I don't remember Mena's arguments exactly, but I ended up drawing the same conclusion.

I think his level of engagement early game is different here

He has an unusual capacity of getting drawn into some early game arguments (sample size n=2), so I think him saying "I'm not really sure what more content you want to see right now." is less likely to come from town!him

He consistently asks pointed questions directed as specific people, I think usually to understand their mindset/reads. In light of that, I think this post

Tim, on the other hand then do you have any townreads?

is kind of unusual for him

[ofrhz]

What's interesting is at this point I'd say offers' read flip on me makes less sense than Klick's
In post 1450, ofrhz wrote:
VOTE: gamma

I agree with PB's 1652 that this vote comes at a time that makes it rather scummy

futurama fry

Can you elaborate on why you thought my read progression on you made more sense than Klick's at the time?

Spoiler:

It's like people don't understand that replacements catchup posts should not be over analyzed as scum or town. They have an advantage of no interactions and they can pick and choose what to talk about and be somewhat honest about old posts.

I both agree with this and think there was merit to pushing a narrative that Gamma was towny to encourage that level of contribution from others yesterday. Regardless of actual alignment I think Gamma's early posts were pro-town.
But now that I'm finished reading into Gamma's ISO I'm left feeling almost entirely null about him, which surprises me.

Okay no this looks like scum trying to find an excuse to walk back their town read on me
VOTE: Klick

I also recently came around to scumreading your slot, but you didn’t mention that in your catchup. Can you talk about why you treated my slot differently from Klick’s?

Because I didn't feel your progression was unnatural.

[ofrhz]

this confuses me, what indicates there is a la k of Gen 3 flavor??? Lol

Is it just me or is the answer to this really obvious

[ofrhz]

Morning all

For some reason I was expecting the flavor to be gen 3

Pokemon

so I’m a little bit disappointed

this confuses me, what indicates there is a la k of Gen 3 flavor??? Lol

[ofrhz]

I like Gamma's case on ofrhz. Gonna double check the L-x rq, but I'm pretty sure I'm going to switch my vote to that wagon.

UNVOTE:

What points in his case did you like?

[ofrhz]

Can everyone on my wagon reiterate why they're voting me over Gamma? I think more points have been raised in the last few pages that support scum!Gamma:

- him saying DP is in his bottom three lynchpool
- him previously thinking my read progression on him was towny and now coming back and saying the exact same thing I did seems scummy
- I want to say there was another thing but I don't remember

[Gamma Emerald]

-people are human and make mistakes
-oh look I changed my opinion I mist be scum now

[Detective Pikachu]

How you feel about chemist now GE?

[Gamma Emerald]

Wdym? I just recently ISOed him, and I don't recall him doing anything since

[Pine]

Harrumph, I'm here.

Mario's mustache won't stay on, Luigi forgot to bring a green shirt, and the paint on Bowser's turtle shell is taking forever to dry.

Peach's dress is on fleek though.

[Chemist1422]

Wdym? I just recently ISOed him, and I don't recall him doing anything since

Think they were asking for your conclusion from the case

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok
I think Chemist is slightly towny

[Gamma Emerald]

Harrumph, I'm here.

Mario's mustache won't stay on, Luigi forgot to bring a green shirt, and the paint on Bowser's turtle shell is taking forever to dry.

Peach's dress is on fleek though.

Also WHAT.

[Pine]

It’s Super Mario Week at camp.

C’mon, man, keep up.

Also, I think this is officially my only active game.

[Pine]

Wait never mind. It’s not.

[Menalque]

Back

But sleepy

I’m gonna try to read through a bit but may not post tonight necessarily

[Gamma Emerald]

It’s Super Mario Week at camp.

C’mon, man, keep up.

Also, I think this is officially my only active game.

Bro I don't know your life

[Micc]

Elements replaces Klick.

Votecount 2.10

ofrhz (4) -

Elements, RedPanda, Chemist1422, Gamma Emerald

Gamma Emerald (4) -

Menalque, ofrhz, Detective Pikachu, Pink Ball

Menalque (1) -

Creature

Not Voting (2) -

Pine, EspressoPatronum

With 11 players alive it takes 6 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 2 is in (expired on 2019-07-19 09:05:00).

[Elements]

Someone ask me some questions or don't expect to hear from me for a quantity of time while a trawl 1867 posts. Yes I did google 75 *25 but now I realise the posts have numbers on them so that was a waste of time. Yay!

[Elements]

UNVOTE:

[Detective Pikachu]

What you think of chemist elements?

[Elements]

What you think of chemist elements?

I think he abuses me and my family for the purpose of "science"

Spoiler:

Anyone with experience, please feel free to jump in on the lurker post above. I'm interested to hear your perspective on the matter, as I know focusing/not focusing on lurkers is a fairly contentious topic.

I’m not experienced, and only arguably if you count all of the forums I’ve played on, but I think it’s better to just read lurkers based on what they do say while they are posting. They shouldn’t be read any differently because of their activity level.

Coming from a low activity payer could be a way to put that idea in peoples heads to lower suspicion from lack of activity. But I think it's an opinon I disagree with.

Spoiler:

I'm happy calling EP/CC/Chemist town. Creature I'm less confident on but I'd still call it a town lean. Of the more prolific posters in the last couple of pages, LUV isn't giving me particularly good vibes.

Can you share why/how you got to your scumread of me? As it stands, it looks like it's either a bandwagon read or an OMGUS.

Honestly? You're right. Sorry. I signed up for too many games and I've always been more miserable in games outside of Newbie queue. I hate being in the dark about reads. Your posting has actually been p towny and I OMGUS'd out of annoyance.

Thanks for the honesty. If you find the time over the next few days, can you drop a quick post on people who feel the most scummy? We can @ you with specifics from there.

UNVOTE:

Got my sights set on URAP and Cinnamon now. Hoping to see more content from them tomorrow.

I'm not really sure what more content you want to see right now. It's kind of weird that you say that when I've posted my reads and you haven't interacted with them at all.

I like this post, feels genuine

Talk to me about this? I had the opposite reaction.

I think it just reads like indignant townie, I think scum is more likely to shift their play to appease the people pushing them

Hi I’m here

I read into ofrhz and urap and I think ofrhz is worse, their reaction to pressure felt kinda off like they didn’t really care but were acting like they did. Urap is a solid null for me rn due to lack of content.

VOTE: ofrhz

I like these posts but It's the most scumhunting townhunting I can see for him. If most of chemist's posts where of this calibre they's be a strong townread for me.

Spoiler:

Hi sorry I suck

I’m here though and read Menal’s case on Gamma and am willing to follow it

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

L-2

"Hi sorry I suck" Unnecessary fluff. Seems LAMIST to me, sort of like "sorry I'm not helping much guys. but i can admit that I'm not being very helpful and that's a town thing."
I agree that menal's case is very strong and I don't see this post happening if chemist and Gamma are both scum unless chemist had given gamma up for lost at that point, but there were still a lot of lynch candidates at that point so I think that's unlikely. If gamma is town I can see scum!chemist seeing an easy mislynch and jumping on the wagon to push it further and then disappearing for a day.

Spoiler:

Creature how confident are you that you can solve this game

like I have to have some sort of priority list, and I can't have every game be #1

that's just facts, sad as they may be

sure, but you can convince us that if you're town you're worth keeping alive

I'm not good at that though

I'm about one of the most capable to rn if not the most.

That doesn't answer my question

I'll reword it, how confident are you that you could win the game if you had control of every lynch?

I'm going to sleep.

ok night

I think Creature is town but I’m waiting for his response to my question

I'll reword it, how confident are you that you could win the game if you had control of every lynch?

Would say about decent chance. Can't guarantee I won't go wrong sometimes though.

Okay I’m willing to call creature town here

I think if he was scum he’d either say 100% or something that doesn’t match the level of confidence he seems to have

I don't understand this interaction at all. It seems completely arbitrary and takes up 9% of his iso. I can see a gain of 0 new information form it. It looks like a way of looking like he's doing something helpful while actually doing nothing

Overall Chemist is null/scum. If gamma flips town, that would decrease to a scum read. If gamma flips scum it would increase to a null read.

[Elements]

What you think of chemist elements?

I think he abuses me and my family for the purpose of "science"

Spoiler:

Anyone with experience, please feel free to jump in on the lurker post above. I'm interested to hear your perspective on the matter, as I know focusing/not focusing on lurkers is a fairly contentious topic.

I’m not experienced, and only arguably if you count all of the forums I’ve played on, but I think it’s better to just read lurkers based on what they do say while they are posting. They shouldn’t be read any differently because of their activity level.

Coming from a low activity payer could be a way to put that idea in peoples heads to lower suspicion from lack of activity. But I think it's an opinon I disagree with.

Spoiler:

I'm happy calling EP/CC/Chemist town. Creature I'm less confident on but I'd still call it a town lean. Of the more prolific posters in the last couple of pages, LUV isn't giving me particularly good vibes.

Can you share why/how you got to your scumread of me? As it stands, it looks like it's either a bandwagon read or an OMGUS.

Honestly? You're right. Sorry. I signed up for too many games and I've always been more miserable in games outside of Newbie queue. I hate being in the dark about reads. Your posting has actually been p towny and I OMGUS'd out of annoyance.

Thanks for the honesty. If you find the time over the next few days, can you drop a quick post on people who feel the most scummy? We can @ you with specifics from there.

UNVOTE:

Got my sights set on URAP and Cinnamon now. Hoping to see more content from them tomorrow.

I'm not really sure what more content you want to see right now. It's kind of weird that you say that when I've posted my reads and you haven't interacted with them at all.

I like this post, feels genuine

Talk to me about this? I had the opposite reaction.

I think it just reads like indignant townie, I think scum is more likely to shift their play to appease the people pushing them

Hi I’m here

I read into ofrhz and urap and I think ofrhz is worse, their reaction to pressure felt kinda off like they didn’t really care but were acting like they did. Urap is a solid null for me rn due to lack of content.

VOTE: ofrhz

I like these posts but It's the most scumhunting townhunting I can see for him. If most of chemist's posts where of this calibre they's be a strong townread for me.

Spoiler:

Hi sorry I suck

I’m here though and read Menal’s case on Gamma and am willing to follow it

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

L-2

"Hi sorry I suck" Unnecessary fluff. Seems LAMIST to me, sort of like "sorry I'm not helping much guys. but i can admit that I'm not being very helpful and that's a town thing."
I agree that menal's case is very strong and I don't see this post happening if chemist and Gamma are both scum unless chemist had given gamma up for lost at that point, but there were still a lot of lynch candidates at that point so I think that's unlikely. If gamma is town I can see scum!chemist seeing an easy mislynch and jumping on the wagon to push it further and then disappearing for a day.

Spoiler:

Creature how confident are you that you can solve this game

like I have to have some sort of priority list, and I can't have every game be #1

that's just facts, sad as they may be

sure, but you can convince us that if you're town you're worth keeping alive

I'm not good at that though

I'm about one of the most capable to rn if not the most.

That doesn't answer my question

I'll reword it, how confident are you that you could win the game if you had control of every lynch?

I'm going to sleep.

ok night

I think Creature is town but I’m waiting for his response to my question

I'll reword it, how confident are you that you could win the game if you had control of every lynch?

Would say about decent chance. Can't guarantee I won't go wrong sometimes though.

Okay I’m willing to call creature town here

I think if he was scum he’d either say 100% or something that doesn’t match the level of confidence he seems to have

I don't understand this interaction at all. It seems completely arbitrary and takes up 9% of his iso. I can see a gain of 0 new information form it. It looks like a way of looking like he's doing something helpful while actually doing nothing

Overall Chemist is null/scum. If gamma flips town, that would decrease to a scum read. If gamma flips scum it would increase to a null read.

[Elements]

every time

[Detective Pikachu]

So you're thinking Gamma probably goes today then?