Mini 2084: Pokemon Ruby Mafia - Game Over

[RedPanda]

but I don't want to do a back and forth.

[RedPanda]

I saw creature resistance to ofhrz lynch day 1. I saw creature wanting to sheep tims reads which was lynch menalque and ofhrz but when the ofhrz wagon actually had a chance, creature went missing. Creature also pushed away from ofhrz to chemist on day2 and I found that suspicious. Creature has deep wolf playstyle so best way for him to win is to set up mislynches and set up his buddy to win because deep wolves lose all town cred they build late game.

[RedPanda]

And I see a gamma connection because not only am i scumreading gamma but It makes sense as to why creature has to protect ofhrz because from his pov menalque and me were going to to lynch gamma no matter what.

Even if gamma flips town, I still find the creature and ofhrz slot interaction really suspicious.

[Pine]

You can quote your post if you live

This post concerns me more than pretty much any other Gamma has posted.

[Gamma Emerald]

Why

[ofrhz]

I’m VT

[ofrhz]

Collector Hector is my flavor

[ofrhz]

Time for ofrhz to claim.

What did you like in gamma’s case on me?

[ofrhz]

-people are human and make mistakes
-oh look I changed my opinion I mist be scum now

I don’t think changing your opinion makes you scum

But you changed your opinion at a time when I was looking like the most likely alternative to your own lynch so it looks opportunistic

And I don’t follow the reasoning behind it?

[Gamma Emerald]

I changed my opinion because your read confidence when you first townread me made no sense and that made you walking it back look way worse.

[Elements]

Er what is your read on me Elements? In fact a full read list would be nice from you rn

Menalque
DP

RP

Pine
PB
EP

Chemist
Creature

Gamma
ofrhz

[Detective Pikachu]

Why's Creature below Chemist?

[Elements]

RP's analysis of their voting swayed me

[Pink Ball]

Let's lynch Gamma boys. Even if we're wrong, we lynch ofrhz tomorrow. This VC seems to be that we have a scum wagon and a counterwagon, so let's do it

[Elements]

@micc could we get a votecount please?

[Pink Ball]

4 votes on Gamma, 4 votes on ofrhz

[Micc]

Votecount 2.11

Gamma Emerald (4) -

Menalque, ofrhz, Detective Pikachu, Pink Ball

ofrhz (4) -

RedPanda, Chemist1422, Gamma Emerald, Creature

Not Voting (3) -

Pine, EspressoPatronum, Elements

With 11 players alive it takes 6 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 2 is in (expired on 2019-07-19 09:05:00).

[EspressoPatronum]

@Ofrhz see below

my annotations

on Gamma's case against. TL;DR: Gamma points out your hedy reads and bandwagoning.

Note - At the time of Gamma's posting (and mine, shortly thereafter), my scumread read on Gamma had softened. I honestly think part of that is an activity bias on my part, but I think he brought up some good points on you. With Gamma's recent posting, however, I'm back to being more on the fence.

I'm still leaning toward you, Ofrhz. I feel uneasy about Creature, and others (RP specifically) are saying we gain information on hip with your flip. Seems good to me.

Spoiler:

I can feel my attention span slipping so I'll just post what I have so far on offers thought wise

My name is written in invisible ink at the top of my own readslist

Why post this at all?

Ofhrz posting is rly bad.

Why? Do you townread Panda?

Just assume it's coming from town and answer it then

@_@

This whole interaction still has me dazed and confused a little but after working on it I have a small grasp, it also helps I was able to look at later posts and get some perspective

I think ofrhz is worse, their reaction to pressure felt kinda off like they didn’t really care but were acting like they did.

what

I have stuff yo say here but it probably fits better in the future Chemist ISO

Detective Pika is scum and so is gamma calling it now

uh why is gamma scum?

Tbh I get a distinct feeling offers was white knighting me to and through this post, I feel they just seem super convinced I'm town which kinda concerns me, and on top of that I recall offers voting me this day phase which makes it weirder.

This is a good catch by Gamma. It shows your posting behaviour =/= your voting behaviour.

idk I don't have that many thoughts on him

The only thing that looks interesting in his iso is that he toneread ceejay and Pink Ball town, and I'm actually not tone townreading Pink ball here, which I think I tend to do when PB is town

actually I think FB could be scum based on uhhhh gut lol

I could join you guys on Menalque

If I voted, it'd be L-1 right

This looks like a hastily planned bandwagoning attempt tbh

I don't have thoughts on that....?

Oh I think Gamma is town :3

This feels like a cop out on actually reading Cinnamon

See above re white knighting

I believe you!

This opening feels very awkward to me

Agreed

I feel better about menalque town and am cooling on gamma

Still prefer this though

VOTE: pink

Begins flipping his read on me, but votes PB. Honestly I think with how he votes me later this indicates not just offers but PB too

I've been paranoid about them since the game started but I think he's not top priority.

If we agree that lynches should be in {ofrhz, Chemist, Menalque, RedPanda} I think we're into something. And by lynches I mean not only today. Of course we revaluate if we are wrong but I think that's a solid lynch pool, because of the townbloc that is implied with that. If we lynch Chemist and he flips scum I would trade ofrhz for another player, but more into that later.

This is pretty good but let’s not lynch me first

This post seems like he wants to be under the radar but is failing, and honestly he seems to respond like this to pressure consistently.

It's like people don't understand that replacements catchup posts should not be over analyzed as scum or town. They have an advantage of no interactions and they can pick and choose what to talk about and be somewhat honest about old posts.

I both agree with this and think there was merit to pushing a narrative that Gamma was towny to encourage that level of contribution from others yesterday. Regardless of actual alignment I think Gamma's early posts were pro-town.
But now that I'm finished reading into Gamma's ISO I'm left feeling almost entirely null about him, which surprises me.

Okay no this looks like scum trying to find an excuse to walk back their town read on me

Yeah. Super hedgy.

VOTE: Klick

I also recently came around to scumreading your slot, but you didn’t mention that in your catchup. Can you talk about why you treated my slot differently from Klick’s?

What's interesting is at this point I'd say offers' read flip on me makes less sense than Klick's

VOTE: gamma

I agree with PB's 1652 that this vote comes at a time that makes it rather scummy

Agreed. Looks like you hopped on the bandwagon. Your read transition from town!gamma to null!gamma to scum!gamma aligns with this.

[EspressoPatronum]

I was waiting for some discussion and the Ofrhz claim before voting.
VOTE: Ofrhz

L-1

[Pink Ball]

Vote Gamma fools

[Pink Ball]

Can I get a promise from all the ofrhz voters to vote Gamma tomorrow if ofrhz flips town?

ofrhz will you hate me if I hammer you?

[Pink Ball]

Now, I know that this posts will look awful if ofrhz flips scum, but whatever

[Menalque]

Did Gamma claim?

Ugh

The ofrhz wagon is pretty tempting too though

ofrhz also dodged claiming I assume?

Time for ofrhz to claim.

This is objectively anti-town

Shouldn’t be pushing for a claim before L-1

I’m willing to give EP benefit of the doubt because I’m mostly TRing him

But creature definitely knows this and did it anyway

[Pink Ball]

Yeah the Creature Gamma associations are getting awfully obvious, but it's Gamma first

[Pink Ball]

I won't lynch ofrhz yet 'cause maybe Pine and Elements join us and Gamma gets lynched