Mini Theme 2083 - Vengeful Ghosts Endgame

[Arkham Asylum]

Pine, "Guilty is Guilty is Guilty" except it's an unverifiable guilty that might as well be bullshit; what leads you to believe the guilty?
Egix, please don't resurrect Flavor Leaf on the basis of his cop claim - there must be a mortician in this game who should be able to verify we're town, in case we're lynched today.

-The Joker

[Arkham Asylum]

If that's a real guilty I'm a backup doctor enabler

"If that's screaming, I'm a fly"

I thought it was a sarcastic jab too, but both the Dann kill + No kill N1 when he claimed to protect us make sense with a backup enabler, so I think he meant it in the sense of "If that's a real guilty, here's my claim, it's backup doc enabler"

-The Joker

[Turin Turambar]

Actually, I agree with Pine. Why would AA - as town - immediately vote both people who believed the guilty on them?

[Turin Turambar]

I mean, you can defend them all you like, but they'd have to stoop down to my level in order to do that as town.....

[Arkham Asylum]

And you know what I'd say? I'd say that you are making convoluted leaps instead of embracing the simplest explanation. Do you doubt every damn cop guilty that comes your way? Cos in every game I've played, people ignored the cop guilty and it bit them in the ass.

The source and context of such claims are also important.
Flavor Leaf is known to make fakeclaims as town.
Dead scum claiming cop is a virtually risk-free strategy with a great payoff.
If town buys that, we get lynched; FL gets resurrected.

I wouldn't doubt

every

cop guilty that comes my way, but this particular "guilty" is extremely fishy, yeah?

-The Joker

[Turin Turambar]

and given their jabs at my level of play, it's unlikely they ever would. Ergo, the guilty is real and they're just scum.

[Egix96]

Egix, please don't resurrect Flavor Leaf on the basis of his cop claim - there must be a mortician in this game who should be able to verify we're town, in case we're lynched today.

I wasn't planning to anyway

[Arkham Asylum]

Guilty

Is

Guilty

Is

Guilty

Your reflexive OMGUS is all the surety I require.

OK Pine.

Let's consider the facts.

A) You voted Boon yesterday, which implies that at some point you read his posts.

B) If you read his posts, you know there's no chance in hell he had a guilty on us from days 1 or 2

C) This is Boon in a game called "Vengeful Ghosts" -- I would be shocked if he didn't claim a guilty in the graveyard as either alignment regardless of his rolecard

D) The nightkilled doctor claimed a save on us

E) You have played with Boon before

F) You are not an idiot

So are you scum or do you just have amnesia about the entire preceeding game?

-Kat

[Arkham Asylum]

I mean, you can defend them all you like, but they'd have to stoop down to my level in order to do that as town.....

Because to believe the guilty in the first place, you need to throw away a lot of convincing evidence that shows it's fake.
I voted you because I thought you were claiming the guilty was yours - thus putting us in a direct 1v1 anyway.
Krazy voted Pine because either Pine -- who's smart enough to know not to trust that guilty and push our lynch right away -- is either playing dumb, or is scum trying to push a crazy agenda. I'm inclined towards the latter.

Besides, why would this be the smartest move for scum!us?

-The Joker

[Arkham Asylum]

and given their jabs at my level of play, it's unlikely they ever would. Ergo, the guilty is real and they're just scum.

Can you quote my jabs at your play, Turin?
I was the one who placed the vote on you.
Have I ever played with you? My main is Auro.

Are you saying town!us wouldn't vote you if we thought you claimed a guilty on us?
What would town!us do?

-The Joker

[Egix96]

If that's a real guilty I'm a backup doctor enabler

"If that's screaming, I'm a fly"

I thought it was a sarcastic jab too, but both the Dann kill + No kill N1 when he claimed to protect us make sense with a backup enabler, so I think he meant it in the sense of "If that's a real guilty, here's my claim, it's backup doc enabler"

-The Joker

Yeah I can see where the possible confusion lay.

But I think that Debbie was scum. Hence no enabler required for the doc.

[Arkham Asylum]

Egix, it's pretty possible DEB was scum and a doctor enabler.
If there's an actual town cop, they should claim with N1/N2 results.

-The Joker

[Turin Turambar]

And you know what I'd say? I'd say that you are making convoluted leaps instead of embracing the simplest explanation. Do you doubt every damn cop guilty that comes your way? Cos in every game I've played, people ignored the cop guilty and it bit them in the ass.

The source and context of such claims are also important.
Flavor Leaf is known to make fakeclaims as town.
Dead scum claiming cop is a virtually risk-free strategy with a great payoff.
If town buys that, we get lynched; FL gets resurrected.

I wouldn't doubt

every

cop guilty that comes my way, but this particular "guilty" is extremely fishy, yeah?

-The Joker

But you originally thought the guilty was my doing, didn't you? Would you say that my guilty is a load of rubbish too?

Knowing the general opinion, the answer is probably yes.

Also, you called FL salty, but you yourself are salty too. So is every scum I've ever caught. They insist that my reasons for suspecting them are garbage and that I only called them scum because I wanted them to be scum, even though my reasons for suspecting them were legitimate.

[Turin Turambar]

and given their jabs at my level of play, it's unlikely they ever would. Ergo, the guilty is real and they're just scum.

Can you quote my jabs at your play, Turin?
I was the one who placed the vote on you.
Have I ever played with you? My main is Auro.

Are you saying town!us wouldn't vote you if we thought you claimed a guilty on us?
What would town!us do?

-The Joker

The first thing town you should do is explain the reasons why the guilty is wrong, not immediately OMGUs the player(s) who think it's real. Ergo, OMGUsing both of us is a gut!scum response, not gut!town response.

I mean, seriously, if I and not FL was the cop with the guilty, do you honestly believe you would win that 1v1 against me?

[Arkham Asylum]

Of course I'd say the guilty is a load of rubbish, since I'm town.
The first thing scum would do is to try explaining the guilty or whatever.

Of course I'd win a 1v1 against you if you were scum

-The Joker

[Arkham Asylum]

And the vote on you wasn't an OMGUS, technically. An OMGUS would imply you have bad reasons for voting us. It's not that you "suck" for claiming a guilty on us, you're scum

-The Joker

[Turin Turambar]

Of course I'd say the guilty is a load of rubbish, since I'm town.
The first thing scum would do is to try explaining the guilty or whatever.

Of course I'd win a 1v1 against you if you were scum

-The Joker

What if I was town and you were scum?

And you are still thinking that people should believe you no matter what just because you say so.

[Turin Turambar]

You insist people should believe you just because you say, while also insisting that the guilty shouldn't be believed at all. Either people will believe everything other people say - including the guilty - or they won't believe anything others say - including your repeated sayings that you're town. Pick one.

[Turin Turambar]

And the vote on you wasn't an OMGUS, technically. An OMGUS would imply you have bad reasons for voting us. It's not that you "suck" for claiming a guilty on us, you're scum

-The Joker

See this? They don't even acknowledge the possibility that they could be scum.

[Arkham Asylum]

Then I wouldn't be confident in winning a 1v1.
So, I'd take the 1v1 with confidence if I'm town. Which is what I did. Ergo, I'm town.

To the rest of town, we've laid down a lot of evidence for the guilty being bullshit and our being town. I'm inclined to believe that Turin genuinely doesn't understand what we said over her being scum pushing this.

I also think Pine is much likelier scum for pushing this. At the moment, I'd be happy with a Pine lynch.

-The Joker

[Turin Turambar]

Vote them, before they could dupe you all into believing that they're 'town snek', like that jerk did.

[Arkham Asylum]

Either people will believe everything other people say - including the guilty - or they won't believe anything others say - including your repeated sayings that you're town. Pick one.

Believe the overwhelming evidence we're town.
Believe the empirical likelihood that FL bullshits as either alignment.

You don't have any problem with the evidence we presented beyond "it's possible", yeah?

-The Joker

[Turin Turambar]

Then I wouldn't be confident in winning a 1v1.
So, I'd take the 1v1 with confidence if I'm town. Which is what I did. Ergo, I'm town.

To the rest of town, we've laid down a lot of evidence for the guilty being bullshit and our being town. I'm inclined to believe that Turin genuinely doesn't understand what we said over her being scum pushing this.

I also think Pine is much likelier scum for pushing this. At the moment, I'd be happy with a Pine lynch.

-The Joker

Scum were confident in winning 1v1s against me before. Just ask Tsuchinoko 'the town snek' or Radical Rat 'the guilty on me would BE inaccurate'.

[Turin Turambar]

Either people will believe everything other people say - including the guilty - or they won't believe anything others say - including your repeated sayings that you're town. Pick one.

Believe the overwhelming evidence we're town.
Believe the empirical likelihood that FL bullshits as either alignment.

You don't have any problem with the evidence we presented beyond "it's possible", yeah?

-The Joker

I'd believe you if it weren't for that knee-jerk reactions of yours, ie. voting me when you believed the guilty was mine.

Let's say I said 'I am town.' to you. Would you believe me, completely and unquestionably?

[Arkham Asylum]

Will be ignoring Turin's posts beyond this.
Rest of town should continue the claims. If my slot hasn't yet, VT.

-The Joker