Starry Night [Game Over]

[Ankamius]

Like I'd probably be looking to push a Dunn+Alisae pairing to endgame in most situations

[SXTLHGaiden]

Kagami + Gaiden is an obvious pairing

OTP

[unwnd]

I kinda agree with that solve

According to my lover intermission happens after this lynch so uh

Yeah let's take our time with this one, I was more willing to speed down to hammer if we had two but we don't

[Ankamius]

Fine with me

I'm mostly wanting to sort deas once and for all mainly, if he's town sand can really show it, all the better

[Dunnstral]

GE, could you please report Oka's PT reads if he had any? Awkward interactions, etc?

He didn't like Bitmap latching onto Dunn, which I feel lends to my idea of Dunn pocketing bit

@Kagami I talked with Oka and he told me he didn't really agree with my take at this point so I'll just state it and then write up my read list
I feel like Dunnstral actually makes more sense as scum in the Dunn + Bitmap pairing. My logic is as follows.
Alisae is getting widely townread and the general consensus is e should pair with Dunnstral. Meanwhile Bitmap and Dunnstral have interactions that would make sense for leading up to a pairing but if that doesn't happen Bitmap is kinda up shit creek. So Dunn takes a chance that Bitmap will accept as a way to throw Alisae out of the game early as e wasn't feeling any of the other possible partners at that point. Now this doesn't guarantee Bitmap is town but it makes more sense than Dunn town and Bitmap scum to me because of how the pairing felt. Had it been the other way I'd expect to have things happen in a way to where I'm like "that was sketchy from Bitmap" but it's a deep-seated concern about the fact that pairing happened at all.
And I mentioned Oka isn't on board now but when we first talked about it he kinda agreed on some points so I feel good about it since we both saw those things initially

Kagami
Ank
Oka
MariaR
Bitmap
Cephrir
Creature
pops
Fire
Shiro
Gaiden
unwnd
DV
GRob
Dunn

These are my reads rn, the middle of the list (Cephrir to unwnd) isn't super confident but that's how I feel about them rn.
VOTE: Dunnstral

Uh, 2538 only explains how I

could

be scum and make those choices, it doesn't actually explain why you think I'm scum in the first place, or why that is now your strongest read

The core of it is what Oka and Ank both suggested (Alisae was a better wallflower for scum than Bitmap) which leads into the thing I initially found scummy, which was you asking out Bitmap when you did. As for being the strongest read, honestly my theory equally implicates GRob which is why he's at second highest scumread, I just put you at the bottom because I'm voting you and your actions drove the thinking I'm going with.
And since this is on my mind why is your TR on me "so-so"?

technically it's possible that a scum!dunn picked bitmap to maintain the status quo of general reads instead of having bitmap flip town and forcing a bunch of people to rethink their reads

This was what Oka proposed that really made me confident in this btw

I'm thinking these mentions of Oka point to our pairing being town

i don't think scum!dunny pairs with bitmap over alisae. Is that a good point towards town!dunny?

@gamma did u read my point about how dun plays scum and how he isn't playing like that?

I personally agree with your analysis of Dunn's scum play but don't see how this isn't it

I didn't see this while you were alive - you are delusional if you thought I was playing back and trying to avoid notice in this game

[popsofctown]

Btw scum!me most likely pairs with MariaR because I think she'd be one of the biggest threats to my team in this plist and it would help me control the game if I could take her out when I feel like it would help my team win

Or even better, use her hunting in the PT to pocket the rest of the game and powerwolf the game where I want it to be

I could see MariaR picking me as a partner for a similar reason since I tend to be a major wildcard as town

sometimes i think you people seem to play mafia more complicated than I do

[Ankamius]

I play mafia because it's a very easy mental stimulant

[SXTLHGaiden]

I play mafia because it's a very easy mental stimulant

I play cause people deserve to be trolled!

[Dunnstral]

I think Dunn just derped and took a scum partner over two significantly more town ones

yikes

[Dunnstral]

@Mariar: I don't know if his scum read on you was from his annoyance of you or an actual scum read since I never played with either of you before.

Dunn doesn't scumread me because he can't read me right. Ever since I tricked him hard as scum before his rep of reading me went down so he doesn't like to commit a townread on me anymore.

Stop trying to make this personal

[Dunnstral]

And I was scumreading Dunn before he paired up with you. It's called changing stances.

I was townreading you in post 500. There's your answer.

Changing stances indeed

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Firebringer/Shiro

Pretty sure Shiro is scum

[Dunnstral]

It's certainly scummy enough to call it scummy rather than offering a free pass to be useless. Nothing good comes of crying about "easy lynches."

I'm giving the Fire-Shiro slot a chance to actually give reads before really pushing them. If they still are absolutely useless, I'll reconsider this lynch notion.

last sentence reads as a policy lynch advocation

But those three reasons are not AI. Especially because there is a pre dance with no lynch.

What does AI stand for?

alignment indicative

@unwnd the thing is I don't see many elaborations being posted on why firebringer/shiro is scum other than pairing so nobody is actually accountable. its just yeah scum we have to lynch

It's not bad if Fire can read Shiro no? or work well with her and since they've seemed to have a long history with each other then its probably true?

Because dominant voices seem to be consensusing around them, Kagami has given approval and Shiro hasn't really posted content in pre dance.

Is the issue of firebringer/shiro solely stemming from their pairing?

Unpopular Opinion: FB - Shiro just seems like an easy lynch for scum.

why are we scumreading shiro?

who is scum in fire/shiro?

Sorry but why are we pushing a fire/shiro lynch ?

VOTE: Firebringer

what?

u know that this isnt over right

Look at how hard oka was defending and deflecting from firebringer/shiro

And then look at how he was behind the scenes pushing my pair

[Dunnstral]

Gamma is there anything in the love pt of value you want to summarize in case FakeGod wakes up before Oka

In particular anything that would be relevant if this flips T/T

Maybe, lenme check

Look at people SRing FireShiro because we both agreed that was fk'ing weird
While I'm on that GRob voting before the flip even happens gives me bad juju

[Dunnstral]

I wish gamma had made it more clear what Oka was doing in his pt, but enouh leaked out through him to know that he was pushing my pair and defending fire's pair in there

[Ankamius]

it's just bitmap + shiro, dunn

[Ankamius]

like yeah, those associatives are bad

but bitmap's shiro associatives are also bad
and oka's bitmap associatives are also bad

[Ankamius]

bitmap was soft defending the FB/Shiro pair and then randomly changed his mind as soon as Oka flipped and it became very obvious that Bitmap was going to have to be the one to endgame if at all

Oka was very... meh about bitmap all game, a lot of noncommittal anything about him

[Ankamius]

plus

if you were on a team with shiro and okapoka, you'd panic like bitmap did if you were facing a very likely possibility of being left out of the dance

and bitmap was very survivalistic towards the end of predance

[Ankamius]

like

keep in mind

the two remaining gentlemen had no real reason to fear they wouldn't have a partner

creature and alisae had very town reactions to being among the last three to have a chance to partner up

bitmap PANICKED

[popsofctown]

Dunnmap: I know you're saying Oka had bad Bitmap associatives but Firebringer associatives were way worse.
Ankamius:

[Dunnstral]

I don't think he panicked during pre-dance

[Ankamius]

it stuck out like a sore thumb, dunn

[Dunnstral]

When did he panic?

[Ankamius]

when he realized that he either paired with you or with nobody