Newbie 1943: Crosswords (Game Over)

[cyrus62]

right, now the person who claimed is supposed to be experienced enough to know that so lets say they arent cop, what are they, who benefits from that claim? we can talk about the other situation in a sec.

ok good point so you have a maybe cop lich. two town who ran the maybe cop to l1 and with intent who may also be scum which is spangled and sera and spangled and lich are willing to kill off the only person who we all know most liely to be town.

[cyrus62]

so one of the three is most like;y scum and the other two town or two scum working together thats my thoughts

[Thespio]

Right, I think hes the best lynch right now, if hes cop 2 people on the original wagon are scum, as he wasnt hammered after his claim. when he flips scum we know we are on the right track with PRs. He is the best lynch, Since we dont have a VC I would encourage a shift this way. Also the first post SE intro is a proven scum tell for new SEs btw. Look at my scum games, look at the completed ones, its something new SEs do when they get excited about being scum.

I am fairly certain in a game like this, if he claimed PR he would die for it if it was real. Like how did he softclaim and not die at L1 to scum?

his actions dont make sense with his role.

I think one scum was on his wagon bussing or none at all.

[cyrus62]

isuse is not enough vote counts this game to find who was on the wagon as cyan came in and gos every one who was voteing lich needs to unvote now so we couldn t see the wagon

[Cyan Talon]

yeah my vote isnt moving, You are not cop, My guess is there is a mafia RB, and you are claiming a role that exists 2/3 of the time. you want a CC so you can RB the cop. and kill someone else, effectively canceling out the cop. You are likely not the RB, as you made the claim.

Post 893 has some information that would argue otherwise.

um, sorry, i meant 892. whoops

anyway, consider what i'm implying behind my statement. it would tell you that there likely isn't a Mafia RB if TL is lying with his cop claim

what are you implying? that you are a PR too? because if you are stop. Otherwise you are willing to accept a claim, even though a fake one has already been made. Are you not curious why a PR wouldnt interrogate a fake claim, or atleast ask them a question? also why hard claim when no one asks for it? we had a soft claim, it satisfied everyone apparently up to this point, why be explicit?

Said fakeclaim was most likely an obvious attempt at a joke. I'm not sure how you seem to be seeing it, but it doesn't look like a claim people would take very seriously. He didn't interrogate it because he thought Phone was fucking around, plain and simple.

And yes, I am willing to accept this claim. I hinted at myself being PR because I was (and still am) in danger of being lynched. There's also the point you made that he decided to hardclaim out of the blue; need I tell you that he was being pushed by

you?

He implied in his claim that he shifted to a hardclaim because you were pushing him.

[Cyan Talon]

Right, I think hes the best lynch right now, if hes cop 2 people on the original wagon are scum, as he wasnt hammered after his claim. when he flips scum we know we are on the right track with PRs. He is the best lynch, Since we dont have a VC I would encourage a shift this way. Also the first post SE intro is a proven scum tell for new SEs btw. Look at my scum games, look at the completed ones, its something new SEs do when they get excited about being scum.

I am fairly certain in a game like this, if he claimed PR he would die for it if it was real. Like how did he softclaim and not die at L1 to scum?

his actions dont make sense with his role.

I think one scum was on his wagon bussing or none at all.

Don't forget that placing a hammer vote out of the blue puts the hammering slot in suspicion. Sometimes, scum can be more concerned about surviving than eliminating PRs.

[cyrus62]

wait so both prs outed them selfs on d1

[cyrus62]

yep thats not good

[cyrus62]

at this point spangled is two for two

[cyrus62]

spanglead has pulled out both prs and no one thinks hes scum

[cyrus62]

UNVOTE: cyanVOTE: Spangled lets at least see if the prs can do something if they are prs

[Thespio]

Right, and that helps scum bus, I think the little spat that Robb and Lich had is a prime example of S on S fighting. Did you notice lich condemns him and then loves him in less then 10 posts?


@Cyan, I think we would all as scum quickhammer and claim lol hammer with the lack of moderation

PEDIT// almost died in an elivator

[Thespio]

almost died so hard i misspelled elevator

[Adorable]

Thespio wants to lynch Temp but why lynch him when he claimed Cop and no one counter claimed him? If Phone was the real Cop, why the heck would he recklessly hint as Cop like that? If Phone is scum, I think he did that so that he can get a reaction from the real Cop and I think Phone could be scum for doing that and now Wheme subs in for Phone. If Wheme was the real Cop, he would have voted Temp but instead he votes Cyan. I'm still sus of Red and Thespio subs in for him and he wants to lynch Temp for being Cop 2 and it looks like there are no 2 Cops. I'm not sure about Cyan but I would rather lynch Wheme, Thespio, or Sera.

[Thespio]

Sure adorable, who does a CC help D1? as you stated, it helps scum, its a scum way to get town. So if you see Phone as scum because he claimed, how do you look at Temp and think what he did is ok? Why are you ok lynching afks and me? damn maybe I need to look at your ISO. you understand the implications of what temp is doing but ignoring them for the giggles

[Thespio]

So I was susp of robb (now osuka) but Adorable is pinging my radar hard because of post 963

[Thespio]

but I would like to focus on the Cop claim from the SE even though he didnt need to claim he just did to be evil.

[osuka]

You claimed cop?

yeah, see 525

Thats a pretty soft claim, there are a different roles that dont coexist, that looks like you are PR claiming not cop claiming, so this is a hard claim now?

You claimed cop?

yeah, see 525

Thats a pretty soft claim, there are a different roles that dont coexist, that looks like you are PR claiming not cop claiming, so this is a hard claim now?

yeah I've officially gone from a mediumclaim to a hardclaim

You claimed cop?

yeah, see 525

Thats a pretty soft claim, there are a different roles that dont coexist, that looks like you are PR claiming not cop claiming, so this is a hard claim now?

yeah I've officially gone from a mediumclaim to a hardclaim

I dont buy it even a little, your an SE why are you claiming even a little, if you knew someone was fake claiming as a cop, why not investigate them at night make sure they arent town and hard claim D2?

this is a switcheroo if i've ever seen one, even if I do agree with the gist of it

[osuka]

um... I said phone's claim wasn't a cop claim in 43

And you didnt push him at all, you dismissed a false claim? more importantly you soft claimed and as soon as I brought up your scummy posts you just out and hard claimed. You know what I think? you are scum, you soft claimed to get clear, and hopefully get a CC so when you die you would trade for a PR. Theres no other logic behind you:

Someone fake claims
you are that role and you ignore them
you get pressured
you soft claim
someone brings you back up
you hard claim


Heres what I would expect:

someone fake claims
you push them because you are that role
you get pressured
you arent bad and communicate/possibly fake claim as VT
someone brings you back up
you discuss your prior behavior without any kind of claim


nothing you are doing makes sense.

qft

[Thespio]

I'm still s

Answer my of questions real quick:
who benefits from a fake cop claim?
who benefits from a Counter claim?
Why would you claim Cop over VT D1 if a PR claim helps scum?

[osuka]

i was very upset that town forced a pr clime on d1 even voiced it

Lets say its you, you are Cop, you get pressured D1, do you soft claim, hard claim, or fake claim VT?

vt dul

this interaction is really odd. I'm not sure what to make of this, but it almost feels like cyrus is just feeding thespio the answers he wants to hear

[Adorable]

It didn't look like Phone claimed Cop and if he really is a Cop, then he shouldn't have done that as his first post. If Temp really is the Cop, then I think he would have reacted to Phone's post which he actually did. Wheme subs in for Phone and if Wheme is the real Cop, he would have voted Temp for claiming Cop but he did not do that and instead he votes Cyan.

[Adorable]

I'm still s

Answer my of questions real quick:
who benefits from a fake cop claim?
who benefits from a Counter claim?
Why would you claim Cop over VT D1 if a PR claim helps scum?

Normally I would believe the counter claim. When I first saw Phone's first post, it didn't look like he claimed Cop and it looked like he was joking but now when I start to think about it if Phone is scum, he might have done that claim to get a reaction from a player who could be a Cop and Temp reacted to Phone's post and Temp claimed Cop when he had 4 votes. If I was the real Cop who had 4 votes about to get lynched, I would have also probably claimed Cop and I would expect the Doctor to protect me at night and fake claiming Vanilla Town instead of the Cop would have most likely gotten me lynched.

[Thespio]

If Temp really is the Cop, then I think he would have reacted to Phone's post which he actually did.

Would you mind linking his response to someone claiming his role?

I'm still s

Answer my of questions real quick:
who benefits from a fake cop claim?
who benefits from a Counter claim?
Why would you claim Cop over VT D1 if a PR claim helps scum?

Normally I would believe the counter claim. When I first saw Phone's first post, it didn't look like he claimed Cop and it looked like he was joking but now when I start to think about it if Phone is scum, he might have done that claim to get a reaction from a player who could be a Cop and Temp reacted to Phone's post and Temp claimed Cop when he had 4 votes. If I was the real Cop who had 4 votes about to get lynched, I would have also probably claimed Cop and I would expect the Doctor to protect me at night and fake claiming Vanilla Town instead of the Cop would have most likely gotten me lynched.

I think you are wrong here, and if you look at any game in my record where a D1 power roll was put at L1 you will see them constantly claim VT because there is no advantage to claiming cop. if there is a mafia rollcop then hes dead and they will know that, if theres a blocker theres a 50/50 chance hes dead. so basically hes rolling the dice and preying, if he claims VT we continue on our pressure spread and push for inconsistencies as the game is played.

I find it very odd you think him not reacting to the fake claim and making a nonsense claim is good towny behavior.

[Thespio]

i was very upset that town forced a pr clime on d1 even voiced it

Lets say its you, you are Cop, you get pressured D1, do you soft claim, hard claim, or fake claim VT?

vt dul

this interaction is really odd. I'm not sure what to make of this, but it almost feels like cyrus is just feeding thespio the answers he wants to hear

lets play the game then, you are cop, you get pressured before you even use your role, its mid day, meaning no rush to kill anyone. theres a risk you could get hammered by scum the moment you give up your role, do you claim VT, refuse to claim, or claim your PR?