Mini Theme 2083 - Vengeful Ghosts Endgame

[mastina]

And to quote mastina
'true town doesn't need to say they're town; they show it through their actions'.
So don't say it, show it.

mastina is in this game you should know and she says she'd lynch YOU before lynching Arkham Asylum because AA is, quite literally, no joke, conftown and even if they weren't were obvtown before becoming conftown.

[mastina]

It's been a day; claim already

It's been a day PHASE since I have.

[mastina]

In general, it’s a hard rule to not discount any cop guilty.

While there are additional liabilities to n this game due to lack of flip, I don’t see any reason to think scum would wildly risk a blatant false claim, especially with the likelihood that someone has a coroner-type role and could reveal the bluff

VOTE: Arkham

VOTE: Pine

[mastina]

VOTE: AA

I refuse to believe we have three town players that are this overwhelmingly stupid and I swear to fucking god, fuck townreads I had on any of those slots I will be down for a lynch on any of the players who voted Arkham Asylum.

Dead serious.

[Nancy Drew 39]

VOTE: Turin Turambar
We're town.

-The Joker

Yeah, but scum can say 'I am town' too and get away with it, so give me one good reason why you shouldn't be lynched.

A guilty is a guilty, no matter how many times you say 'I am town'.

I believe this was the same rationale you used to argue SS mislynch in Undertale. This push somehow just seems scummier. This is Joan right?

[mastina]

Also still want this explained.

My wagon got to L-1 yesterday with intent to hammer. Literally less than half a day later, Flavor Leaf ended up lynched. He went from L-6 (I was the only vote on him) to lynched; I went from L-1 to not having basically any votes on me at all.

Flavor Leaf was, in spite of his shitty-ass play being worthy of a policy lynch, probably not actually scum. Ergo, by employing stereotypical VCA logic, Flavor Leaf was the counterwagon driven by scum--a mislynch--to avoid the lynch of a scumbuddy who was wagoned prior.
(Joke kinda loses its effect when it needs to be explained to be honest, but you did ask, so.)

[mastina]

OK, we're not doing a massclaim. Only you are claiming because you are now today's lynch otherwise.
-Kat

VOTE: Binary Star
Sure.

[mastina]

AORN I think that Asylum v Turin is TvT.

Probably.
Doesn't mean I won't lynch Turin on policy here, because dead fucking serious.

You try to lynch Arhkam Asylum, you get my vote on YOU. AA are not only conftown but obvtown without the conftownness. There is no fucking guilty and trying to pretend there is one is an excuse scum can use to hide and prevent themselves from holding accountability especially given this is a flipless game.

[Chickadee]

Also still want this explained.

My wagon got to L-1 yesterday with intent to hammer. Literally less than half a day later, Flavor Leaf ended up lynched. He went from L-6 (I was the only vote on him) to lynched; I went from L-1 to not having basically any votes on me at all.

Flavor Leaf was, in spite of his shitty-ass play being worthy of a policy lynch, probably not actually scum. Ergo, by employing stereotypical VCA logic, Flavor Leaf was the counterwagon driven by scum--a mislynch--to avoid the lynch of a scumbuddy who was wagoned prior.
(Joke kinda loses its effect when it needs to be explained to be honest, but you did ask, so.)

tbf if you're town, a self vote is never a funny thing. And you've been wanting to die this whole game.

[mastina]

mastina -- need claim
Actually her one comment that she thought it was mountainous would maybe make sense if the scum team was just goons. So worth still thinking about but still thinking town.

You uh.
Kinda suck at drawing conclusions, don't you?
If I say that I think the game's mountainous, by proxy, that is saying that I didn't draw a role which would tell me it wasn't, e.g. that I drew VT.

[mastina]

Also how is it my fault I'm mindmelding with you when my reads have been my own? I don't feel like I've sheeped you at all.

I mean I had an early townread on Chemist which has somewhat faded; I had an early townread on Egix which has grown; I developed a jjh townread on my own; I

had

townreads on both Pine and Binary Star

before

which run counter to AA's reads but on policy if nothing else am joining them in willingness to lynch there.

But my other reads? Purely 100% sheeping AA, I do admit, yes.

[mastina]

We know that deb was not telling the truth about his role. Ideally that makes him scum.

This is a 10:3 game, right?

In a 10:3 game you get three mislynches, yes?

Well I'm flat-out down for just lynching Binary Star and Pine, assuming FL/Binary Star/Pine were mislynches even though between the three there's probably at least one scum, and then trying to find the scum in the remaining players, which would be 1-2 in {Chickadee, Chemist, CheekyTeeky}. That's a 2/3 chance worst case scenario; best case scenario, one of Fl/Binary Star/Pine were scum so we get a mislynch in there and then if we missed the first time have a 50/50 in the remaining.

[mastina]

And you've been wanting to die this whole game.

Sure have! I was about to say "Still would welcome it tho", because I don't have any scumreads and no real ability to discern who is scum, but then I realized that I actually have a reason to stay alive; as long as AA is alive and being voted, I have a purpose for being alive: shutting down the attempt to mislynch conftown who were obvtown even before becoming conftown.

But once AA inevitably eat tonight's nightkill, my statement will in fact still stand; I'd welcome death because I don't have any scumreads and have no real ability to discern who is scum. I have an idea for who isn't scum, but not enough names in that pool to POE who IS scum.

[CheekyTeeky]

Mastina is bleeding town now. I'm down with a BS or Pine lynch today.

[mastina]

Mastina is bleeding town now.

I was always bleeding town, it's just more obvious now.

[Jingle]

Vote Count 3.3

Flavor

With 10 alive, it is 6 to Lynch or 5 to No Lynch!

Binary Star (3): Arkham Asylum, jjh927, mastina,
Arkham Asylum (2): Pine, Binary Star,
jjh927 (1): Turin Turambar
Pine (0):
Turin Turambar (0):
mastina (0):
Chemist1422 (0):
Chickadee (0):
Egix96 (0):
CheekyTeeky (0):

Not Voting (4): Chemist1422, Chickadee, Egix96, CheekyTeeky,

Deadline: Day 3 will end in 10 days, on July 25th. This is in (expired on 2019-07-25 19:00:00).


Searching for a replacement for Turin Turambar. The Deadline will be adjusted accordingly when one is found.

[CheekyTeeky]

XD well it's refreshing.
I'm a VT.

VOTE: Binary Star

[Chemist1422]

Mastina is bleeding town now. I'm down with a BS or Pine lynch today.

can agree with the former statement

I’m VT if I didn’t already claim

[Nancy Drew 39]

Will be ignoring Turin's posts beyond this.
Rest of town should continue the claims. If my slot hasn't yet, VT.

-The Joker

That's what they all say, as scum. The only slot which will be given a pass for behaving this way is Wisdom for being Wisdom, and you're not Wisdom, so thanks for scumclaiming.

We in dead thread agreed to lynch everyone except AA at some point.

Consider the guilty retracted.

VOTE: jjh

It means that I am vengeance. I am the fire in the night. And I am punishing everyone who blindly believes you are town by letting you endgame. And

then I'll force them to admit they were wrong, and hopefully insert some wisdom into their stupid heads to use in future games.

Thanks for the entertainment.

Can I frame this post-game, plz?

I am actually far more suspicious of players like BS and Pine, who actually read the interactions between us and FL, which proved there was no fake guilty. Does a player who has a real guilty on another beg them to save them from being mislynched, the way FL did? There is absolutely no justifiable basis for anyone who read that to seriously believe FL had a real guilty on us.

I seriously cannot believe Pine and BS are this bad.

[Arkham Asylum]

Will be ignoring Turin's posts beyond this.
Rest of town should continue the claims. If my slot hasn't yet, VT.

-The Joker

That's what they all say, as scum. The only slot which will be given a pass for behaving this way is Wisdom for being Wisdom, and you're not Wisdom, so thanks for scumclaiming.

We in dead thread agreed to lynch everyone except AA at some point.

Consider the guilty retracted.

VOTE: jjh

It means that I am vengeance. I am the fire in the night. And I am punishing everyone who blindly believes you are town by letting you endgame. And

then I'll force them to admit they were wrong, and hopefully insert some wisdom into their stupid heads to use in future games.

Thanks for the entertainment.

Can I frame this post-game, plz?

I am actually far more suspicious of players like BS and Pine, who actually read the interactions between us and FL, which proved there was no fake guilty. Does a player who has a real guilty on another beg them to save them from being mislynched, the way FL did? There is absolutely no justifiable basis for anyone who read that to seriously believe FL had a real guilty on us.

I seriously cannot believe Pine and BS are this bad.

[Chickadee]

And you've been wanting to die this whole game.

Sure have! I was about to say "Still would welcome it tho", because I don't have any scumreads and no real ability to discern who is scum, but then I realized that I actually have a reason to stay alive; as long as AA is alive and being voted, I have a purpose for being alive: shutting down the attempt to mislynch conftown who were obvtown even before becoming conftown.

But once AA inevitably eat tonight's nightkill, my statement will in fact still stand; I'd welcome death because I don't have any scumreads and have no real ability to discern who is scum. I have an idea for who isn't scum, but not enough names in that pool to POE who IS scum.

How do you think dying would help you form scum reads? You still have to contribute as a dead player, and your slot has already been fairly absent all game as a live player.

[Arkham Asylum]

Arkham Asylum -- VT
NerfedBuj-slot -- Dead Thread Viewer
Egix96 -- Resurrect but not scum kills
mastina -- VT

Pine -- VT
Chickadee -- VT
Chemist1422 -- VT
CheekyTeeky -- VT

jjh927 -- need claim
Binary Star -- need claim

Dead
Flavor Leaf -- VT
Dannflor -- Doctor with claimed save
DEB -- Claimed doctor enabler

I think based on pure setup spec at least one of the VT claims is scum, town needs more power than just Egix's nonsense.

Whether Egix dies tonight or not probably hinges on BS and jjh, both of which... should? be PR/non vanilla claims.

Mastina I want to treat as conftown, Egix I think is conftown off role, Buj slot is almost certainly town off role and setup, leaves us with probably? 1 scum already having claimed VT in addition to our hopeful conclusion that DEB was in fact scum.

-Kat

[Pine]

Mastina

I run a summer camp

We’re in season

I missed the clues that it was a fake guilty

However

AA’s response to getting pushed has been

Pure

Fucking

Scum

[Arkham Asylum]

Arkham Asylum -- VT
NerfedBuj-slot -- Dead Thread Viewer
Egix96 -- Resurrect but not scum kills
mastina -- VT

Pine -- VT

Chickadee -- VT
Chemist1422 -- VT
CheekyTeeky -- VT

jjh927 -- need claim
Binary Star -- need claim

Dead
Flavor Leaf -- VT
Dannflor -- Doctor with claimed save
DEB -- Claimed doctor enabler

I think based on pure setup spec at least one of the VT claims is scum, town needs more power than just Egix's nonsense.

Whether Egix dies tonight or not probably hinges on BS and jjh, both of which... should? be PR/non vanilla claims.

Mastina I want to treat as conftown, Egix I think is conftown off role, Buj slot is almost certainly town off role and

setup, leaves us with probably? 1 scum already having claimed VT

in addition to our hopeful conclusion that DEB was in fact scum.

-Kat

Mastina

I run a summer camp

We’re in season

I missed the clues that it was a fake guilty

However

AA’s response to getting pushed has been

Pure

Fucking

Scum

Eww

~H

[Arkham Asylum]

I’m starting to wonder if BS is really the best lynch now. Pine, acknowledging he missed clues wrt to fake guilty and not even considering re-evaluating, looks really really bad.

~H