Project ARCH - Epilogue

[Bambi Jay]

I was more pointing out that mafia would probably also need serum to do any extra night actions instead, no that they couldnt kill.

[Dunnstral]

So what was your original point, do you think that only stronger town roles should be on a lynch wagon, and we should scrutinize those on a lynch wagon later?

[Bambi Jay]

I was mainly pointing out if there was any negative utility town, that if we lynch them now while letting way more people have a shot of getting serum was a good idea.

And it was less encouraging strong roles to vote, more... Telling VTs to maybe let someone else hammer or something.

[Dunnstral]

Do you think mafia would claim negative utility town?

[Bambi Jay]

... I'm saying negative utility town could be used now to let people get serum, not that they're mafia. Jesus. When I'm talking about A and B, that doesn't mean you combine em.

[CloudKicker]

Im thinking about whoever is being lynched could nitpick who is on their wagon, it could offset a t flip, gives more power to a lynchee and give reads if a mefia is lynched and is torned between selecting scum or town on wagon, discuss

[Dunnstral]

... I'm saying negative utility town could be used now to let people get serum, not that they're mafia. Jesus. When I'm talking about A and B, that doesn't mean you combine em.

So you think we should lynch, say, a miller, who you don't think is mafia, so that we get serum?

[Bambi Jay]

Ahh, the wonderful nature of actually doing shit now and skipping the shitpost phase.

Yeah I guess Its nice for the lynchee having more power and stuff... Still seems up to the majority to spot sus behavior before that tho cloud.

[RadiantCowbells Superfan]

i think the negative utility town we should be lynching to get serum are players we think are mafia

Im thinking about whoever is being lynched could nitpick who is on their wagon, it could offset a t flip, gives more power to a lynchee and give reads if a mefia is lynched and is torned between selecting scum or town on wagon, discuss

this actually isnt a bad idea if this playerlist is active, which i think it can be

im a bit worried abt reading into scum that know theyre dying's actions since thats almost like reading into guiltied scum but for mislynches it's good imo and if we do it for mislynches we kinda have to do it for scum

[CloudKicker]

Or we could make a vote for whoever gets to be on the lynch wagon, the lynchee’s vote could have more weigh or something, until we have a clear

[Bambi Jay]

... I'm saying negative utility town could be used now to let people get serum, not that they're mafia. Jesus. When I'm talking about A and B, that doesn't mean you combine em.

So you think we should lynch, say, a miller, who you don't think is mafia, so that we get serum?

Yes I do. The weak are fuel for the stronger ones here.

[RadiantCowbells Superfan]

i think having a second vote thing thats unofficial is going to be too much effort to keep up from personal experience, just the lynched person having some authority is good enough

... I'm saying negative utility town could be used now to let people get serum, not that they're mafia. Jesus. When I'm talking about A and B, that doesn't mean you combine em.

So you think we should lynch, say, a miller, who you don't think is mafia, so that we get serum?

Yes I do. The weak are fuel for the stronger ones here.

uhm wig

[Dunnstral]

What cloudkicker said didn't even make sense though. It's an incomplete thought.

Yeah I guess Its nice for the lynchee having more power and stuff... Still seems up to the majority to spot sus behavior before that tho cloud.

In what way does the lynchee have more power? Can you decipher her post for me?

[Dunnstral]

How does town nitpicking give lynchees more power?

[CloudKicker]

i think the negative utility town we should be lynching to get serum are players we think are mafia

Im thinking about whoever is being lynched could nitpick who is on their wagon, it could offset a t flip, gives more power to a lynchee and give reads if a mefia is lynched and is torned between selecting scum or town on wagon, discuss

this actually isnt a bad idea if this playerlist is active, which i think it can be

im a bit worried abt reading into scum that know theyre dying's actions since thats almost like reading into guiltied scum but for mislynches it's good imo and if we do it for mislynches we kinda have to do it for scum

Even if assuming they are going to act like guilted scum, their choices still will have impact on the game and thus, will always be logically picked for either the serum gain or the associatives gain, still gives content for town

[Bambi Jay]

Natural selection at it's finest.

Please tell me you don't see the value of the Mod making Negative utility roles as free food for the stronger roles to get more shit. Gimme an easy early scumread.

[RadiantCowbells Superfan]

his*

He's saying that someone being lynched should ask specific people to unvote and have people vote in their stead, which in theory would be useful to have townread people get more serum but now that im actually thinking about it what if we're like, in a cw situation or something where it's not clear who's getting lynched, or the person who the lynch wants to vote for them hard trs them, etc

How does town nitpicking give lynchees more power?

they decide who gets serum

i think the negative utility town we should be lynching to get serum are players we think are mafia

Im thinking about whoever is being lynched could nitpick who is on their wagon, it could offset a t flip, gives more power to a lynchee and give reads if a mefia is lynched and is torned between selecting scum or town on wagon, discuss

this actually isnt a bad idea if this playerlist is active, which i think it can be

im a bit worried abt reading into scum that know theyre dying's actions since thats almost like reading into guiltied scum but for mislynches it's good imo and if we do it for mislynches we kinda have to do it for scum

Even if assuming they are going to act like guilted scum, their choices still will have impact on the game and thus, will always be logically picked for either the serum gain or the associatives gain, still gives content for town

i mean fair enough, im just not going to give it much thought personally

[Dunnstral]

Yes I do. The weak are fuel for the stronger ones here.

Alright.

In order to win, we need to lynch all members of the mafia

We don't need serum to win, but it can help us win

Lynching somebody we think is town to give serum to a bunch of people we don't know the alignment of is counterproductive.

Why wouldn't you lynch somebody you think is scum?

[RadiantCowbells Superfan]

I have a negative utility read on Bambi

[Dunnstral]

Natural selection at it's finest.

Please tell me you don't see the value of the Mod making Negative utility roles as free food for the stronger roles to get more shit. Gimme an easy early scumread.

I'm only going to lynch players I believe are scum.

If somebody claimed that they gave out 6 serum to anybody who lynched them, I wouldn't lynch them, no.

[CloudKicker]

i think having a second vote thing thats unofficial is going to be too much effort to keep up from personal experience, just the lynched person having some authority is good enough

... I'm saying negative utility town could be used now to let people get serum, not that they're mafia. Jesus. When I'm talking about A and B, that doesn't mean you combine em.

So you think we should lynch, say, a miller, who you don't think is mafia, so that we get serum?

Yes I do. The weak are fuel for the stronger ones here.

uhm wig

Maybe we could pick last 3 players? Also I command all town to absolutely never self hammer + do not run up people to L-1, since there’s scum gain via selfing

[Bambi Jay]

Because day 1 is a crapshoot anyway and you know it, Dunn. Atleast I'm trying to make it easier for us later on for us.

[Dunnstral]

since there’s scum gain via selfing

No there isn't

Once again: when a scum player is lynched, ALL players gain 2 serum

I don't think that is a snowball mechanic to let town breeze through the game, and so I don't think denying serum is incredibly impactful

Less serum means it's easier to keep track of stuff. Like if somebody got roleblocked - who had serum?

[Dunnstral]

Because day 1 is a crapshoot anyway and you know it, Dunn. Atleast I'm trying to make it easier for us later on for us.

Why would we lynch players we think are town later on?

[Dunnstral]

I can agree with claiming at L-2 instead of L-1 this game

If only because people are greedy