Project ARCH - Epilogue

[CloudKicker]

since there’s scum gain via selfing

No there isn't

Once again: when a scum player is lynched, ALL players gain 2 serum

I don't think that is a snowball mechanic to let town breeze through the game, and so I don't think denying serum is incredibly impactful

Less serum means it's easier to keep track of stuff. Like if somebody got roleblocked - who had serum?

I thought being on a scum lynch was +4 overall

[RadiantCowbells Superfan]

Also I command all town to absolutely never self hammer + do not run up people to L-1, since there’s scum gain via selfing

please for fucks sake

Because day 1 is a crapshoot anyway and you know it, Dunn. Atleast I'm trying to make it easier for us later on for us.

i...

the point of d1 is to generate initial content to start the game off and establish stances/reads/stuff like that, policying someone for free serum does literally nothing that actually playing the game wouldnt except it doesnt make D2 basically D1?

some of us *like* d1

since there’s scum gain via selfing

No there isn't

Once again: when a scum player is lynched, ALL players gain 2 serum

I don't think that is a snowball mechanic to let town breeze through the game, and so I don't think denying serum is incredibly impactful

Less serum means it's easier to keep track of stuff. Like if somebody got roleblocked - who had serum?

i mean it's a small benefit but you prevent 1 player from gaining an additional 2 serum

if anything the converse is also true in that if you think your hammerer is scum selfing would prevent them from getting 2 extra serum

[Bambi Jay]

I have a negative utility read on Bambi

Oh no ive been outted. Oh woe is me!


Not.

Because day 1 is a crapshoot anyway and you know it, Dunn. Atleast I'm trying to make it easier for us later on for us.

Why would we lynch players we think are town later on?

... We don't know if we'll think they're town later on. But you clearly don't see it the way I do here

[Dunnstral]

i mean it's a small benefit but you prevent 1 player from gaining an additional 2 serum

You are assuming that more serum in play is always better for the town

I do not believe this is necessarily the case

[Bambi Jay]

Do we have any reason right now to assume its a BAD thing?

[RadiantCowbells Superfan]

if scum decide to self that means in that situation they believe that town should have less serum, giving them that agency to self is the issue

Do we have any reason right now to assume its a BAD thing?

we dont have any reason to assume anything

[Dunnstral]

... We don't know if we'll think they're town later on.

Since when do we lynch players we think are town on day 1 because we "don't know if we'll think they're town later on"

What kind of backwards logic is that? Why not vote someone you think is scum?

[CloudKicker]

i mean it's a small benefit but you prevent 1 player from gaining an additional 2 serum

You are assuming that more serum in play is always better for the town

I do not believe this is necessarily the case

Can you precise your though about that, mechanics arent my forte

[Bambi Jay]

... We don't know if we'll think they're town later on.

Since when do we lynch players we think are town on day 1 because we "don't know if we'll think they're town later on"

What kind of backwards logic is that? Why not vote someone you think is scum?

Because a competent Scum won't out themselves day 1? You tell me.

[Dunnstral]

Why would you lynch a player you think is town now, over someone you think is scum now, just because they claimed a negative utility role? No, ESPECIALLY because they claimed a negative utility role, if you don't think scum would do so.

[RadiantCowbells Superfan]

scum get lynched d1 plenty, bussed or not

we're not skipping day 1

[Dunnstral]

i mean it's a small benefit but you prevent 1 player from gaining an additional 2 serum

You are assuming that more serum in play is always better for the town

I do not believe this is necessarily the case

Can you precise your though about that, mechanics arent my forte

Having less serum in play makes it easier to keep track of things that happen.

If on day 2, 1 player 1 poisoned and will die in 2 days, another player is roleblocked, and another player has left the game thread, it can be to towns benefit that there is less serum in play, to narrow down who is performing what action and who isn't

[Dunnstral]

Do we have any reason right now to assume its a BAD thing?

Yes, we do - if a mafia player is lynched, every player gets 2 serum. Even players that weren't on the lynch wagon. I do not think this is a town snowball mechanic, at that seems like silly design, and I know this is going to end up being a pretty complicated setup

[Bambi Jay]

I'm clearly not saying we skip day 1. I'm saying we murder what could be a hinderence later on and give an organized list of people on a wagon to lynch said hinderence.

Simple math really, particularly since Dunn wants to control who exactly gets serum.

[Dunnstral]

particularly since Dunn wants to control who exactly gets serum.

I never said that

[RadiantCowbells Superfan]

I'm clearly not saying we skip day 1. I'm saying we murder what could be a hinderence later on and give an organized list of people on a wagon to lynch said hinderence.

that is, in essence, skipping day 1...

[Primate]

The problem with limiting serum to try and predict who's doing things is that sinotech are flavourwise the company that makes the serum.

[Bambi Jay]

particularly since Dunn wants to control who exactly gets serum.

I never said that

With how much you've been talking about mafia giving every one serum, it sure as heck seemed implied.

I'm clearly not saying we skip day 1. I'm saying we murder what could be a hinderence later on and give an organized list of people on a wagon to lynch said hinderence.

that is, in essence, skipping day 1...

Someone is murdered before n1 and shit happened. Therefore not skipped.

[Primate]

Are you being intentionally disingenuous?

[Dunnstral]

With how much you've been talking about mafia giving every one serum, it sure as heck seemed implied.

Uh, no it doesn't?

What I'm saying is that if a member of the mafia is lynched, everybody gets serum - that's got nothing to do with controlling who gets serum, it's something that can't be controlled

[Bambi Jay]

Technically lynching a negative utility town is controlling that outcome, Dunn.

Are you being intentionally disingenuous?

Mind specifying?

[CloudKicker]

Tbh at first I thought mafia could have a serum pool with a list of actions w/ a cost and a limit per night. The town picking up the serum could slowly reduce the pool while gaining serum for mafia could mitigate the loss, idk

[Dunnstral]

Natural selection at it's finest.

Please tell me you don't see the value of the Mod making Negative utility roles as free food for the stronger roles to get more shit. Gimme an easy early scumread.

The mod isn't deciding who the players are lynching

If you think that the mod placed negative utility roles in the setup to be lynched, you should instead flip that around and think "ok, so based on my setup speculation, this person is probably town, so I'll avert expectations and lynch someone else instead"

[Firebringer]

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With 19 Alive, It Takes 10 to Lynch.

Day 1 Ends In (expired on 2019-08-09 04:44:39).

[Dunnstral]

Technically lynching a negative utility town is controlling that outcome, Dunn.

I don't care

It's better to aim for scummy people, than for towny people

There will probably be mafia who get serum day 1 regardless. The only thing town can do is say "hey, that was suspicious" and lynch them later for it