Role Call I (Game Over)


Forum rules
User avatar
pisskop
pisskop
Survivor
User avatar
User avatar
pisskop
Survivor
Survivor
Posts: 29467
Joined: November 14, 2013

Post Post #1825 (ISO) » Fri Jul 19, 2019 5:17 am

Post by pisskop »

In post 1819, AP wrote:If you vote against though I'll reconside
this is gross.

A cool guy would give me $20.
A cool guy would let me bum a cig.
A cool guy would allow my friend to crash on their couch for a week.
A cool guy would already have his vote against the proposal, even though he isnt voting for it rn either.
beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
Almost50 pisskop: Overall, that's a townie slot. Don't ask for specifics because with PK everything can be interpreted either way. It's probably WHEN he says/does things that matter, so it's more of a matter of conception rather than solid reasoning.
User avatar
pisskop
pisskop
Survivor
User avatar
User avatar
pisskop
Survivor
Survivor
Posts: 29467
Joined: November 14, 2013

Post Post #1826 (ISO) » Fri Jul 19, 2019 5:20 am

Post by pisskop »

In post 1824, Creature wrote:Can someone explain me the current proposal?
its a meh one.

id vote against it simply because it doesnt accommodate my interests, but if the majority passes it than it is okay.
beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
Almost50 pisskop: Overall, that's a townie slot. Don't ask for specifics because with PK everything can be interpreted either way. It's probably WHEN he says/does things that matter, so it's more of a matter of conception rather than solid reasoning.
User avatar
AP
AP
Mafia Scum
User avatar
User avatar
AP
Mafia Scum
Mafia Scum
Posts: 1356
Joined: April 2, 2018

Post Post #1827 (ISO) » Fri Jul 19, 2019 5:50 am

Post by AP »

In post 1824, Creature wrote:Can someone explain me the current proposal?
Mate, just read the game mechanics and role descriptions. The proposal suggests lynching me and giving you no night/day actions for the rest of the game. These are the two most important things to you. I could go on but without having reads of your own it's pointless. Like, giving Miller to momo is BS, but maybe you'll TR him so hard of you read the game you'll not see it my way, and so on
YEAH BABY YEAH!
Oh, behave :]
User avatar
callforjudgement
callforjudgement
Microprocessor
User avatar
User avatar
callforjudgement
Microprocessor
Microprocessor
Posts: 3972
Joined: September 1, 2011

Post Post #1828 (ISO) » Fri Jul 19, 2019 5:52 am

Post by callforjudgement »

Game statusFailed proposals:
Spoiler: momo's proposal
For
(4): momo, AP, Iconeum, pisskop
Against
(7): Hidden Happiness, popsofctown, Nero Cain, Jingle, Creature, Lil Uzi Vert, Vecna
Not voting
(3): apthet, CheekyTeeky, Gamma Emerald
Spoiler: Vecna's proposal
For
(2): Vecna, Lil Uzi Vert
Against
(7): Creature, Jingle, Nero Cain, popsofctown, momo, CheekyTeeky, AP
Not voting
(5): Iconeum, pisskop, apthet, Gamma Emerald, Hidden Happiness
Spoiler: popsofctown's proposal
For
(5): Jingle, pisskop, CheekyTeeky, momo, Gamma Emerald
Against
(7): Hidden Happiness, Creature, Vecna, Nero Cain, AP, popsofctown, Lil Uzi Vert
Not voting
(2): Iconeum, apthet
Spoiler: Lil Uzi Vert's proposal
For
(2): Lil Uzi Vert, Creature
Against
(7): AP, Hidden Happiness, popsofctown, momo, Nero Cain, Jingle, Vecna
Not voting
(5): Iconeum, apthet, pisskop, CheekyTeeky, Gamma Emerald
Spoiler: AP's proposal
For
(2): AP, Gamma Emerald
Against
(7): popsofctown, Lil Uzi Vert, Hidden Happiness, Jingle, Nero Cain, Vecna, momo
Not voting
(5): Iconeum, apthet, pisskop, CheekyTeeky, Creature
Spoiler: Hidden Happiness's proposal
For
(1): Hidden Happiness
Against
(7): Vecna, Gamma Emerald, CheekyTeeky, AP, popsofctown, Lil Uzi Vert, momo
Not voting
(6): Iconeum, apthet, pisskop, Creature, Jingle, Nero Cain
Current proposal (by Iconeum):
For
(7): Iconeum, CheekyTeeky, popsofctown, Hidden Happiness, momo, Vecna, Lil Uzi Vert
Against
(3): Gamma Emerald, AP, Nero Cain
Not voting
(4): apthet, pisskop, Creature, Jingle



Proposal available
(7): Jingle, apthet, Nero Cain, CheekyTeeky, Gamma Emerald, pisskop, Creature
Proposal unavailable
(7): momo, Vecna, popsofctown, Lil Uzi Vert, AP, Hidden Happiness, Iconeum

To end day with a particular role assignment, one player must propose it, and 8 players vote for it.
Nero Cain is V/LA until Internet connection troubles are fixed.
Iconeum is V/LA this weekend.
Deadline is currently 00:05 UTC on Friday 2 August (
automatic countdown: (expired on 2019-08-02 00:05:00)
). It will be extended when a proposal is made.

Unofficial vote count
Iconeum
(1): Jingle
CheekyTeeky
(1): popsofctown
Hidden Happiness
(1): Iconeum
Vecna
(1): Hidden Happiness
momo
(1): pisskop

These votes don't do anything, but I'm counting them anyway.
scum
· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·
town
User avatar
popsofctown
popsofctown
Survivor
User avatar
User avatar
popsofctown
Survivor
Survivor
Posts: 12356
Joined: September 23, 2008

Post Post #1829 (ISO) » Fri Jul 19, 2019 5:53 am

Post by popsofctown »

I don't keep up with my W/L record but if I did I would probably count all replace-outs as losses and I would definitely treat all "replaced out because I anticipated a loss"es as losses
But really what does your record matter anyway
The idea of someone maintaining a record is also concerning because there's a family of strategies including but not limited to trust telling that are more effective for winning groups of games than they are for winning each game as though it's your last. But the latter is far more interesting and more fair to teammates and opponents.
IDK offtopic rant.
I'm not sure it's alignment indicative that A is saying he anticipates a loss here. He has a meta for being townread in the right places frequently and if on a rare occasion that didn't become a component of the dayplay when he was town I'd think that'd annoy him.

It's still pretty damn alignment indicative that Titus was saying she thought RC was replacing out of a loss for his record I think. She may have perceived his scum replace-out in hope plus one as being for the same reason. It only feels like too obvious a scumslip but since it is technically a statement that doesn't describe one's own alignment it becomes plausible. We can set aside the drunk modifier.
RC finished winning as scum in Any Dead Player Can Post yesterday which was concurrent so I think that counts against the slot.

I still am at, it's much scummier than rand but not an auto red flip. I'd prefer to supplement it by reading a player playing inside of the slot, but RC wasn't here all that long, Titus never actually got invested and she seems less readable when she's not invested, and welcome Creature.
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
User avatar
Gamma Emerald
Gamma Emerald
Bigender (He/She)
Survivor
User avatar
User avatar
Gamma Emerald
Bigender (He/She)
Survivor
Survivor
Posts: 63692
Joined: August 9, 2016
Pronoun: Bigender (He/She)

Post Post #1830 (ISO) » Fri Jul 19, 2019 5:54 am

Post by Gamma Emerald »

I should update my wiki
We're falling through space, you and me, clinging to the skin of this tiny little world, and if we let go...That's who I am.

Visit my
new
GTKAS page here!
User avatar
Creature
Creature
Solve This Game
User avatar
User avatar
Creature
Solve This Game
Solve This Game
Posts: 46072
Joined: January 26, 2016
Location: Lands of Fire

Post Post #1831 (ISO) » Fri Jul 19, 2019 6:02 am

Post by Creature »

In post 1827, AP wrote:
In post 1824, Creature wrote:Can someone explain me the current proposal?
Mate, just read the game mechanics and role descriptions. The proposal suggests lynching me and giving you no night/day actions for the rest of the game. These are the two most important things to you. I could go on but without having reads of your own it's pointless. Like, giving Miller to momo is BS, but maybe you'll TR him so hard of you read the game you'll not see it my way, and so on
I mean why are the current players in their current position?
Sigh
User avatar
AP
AP
Mafia Scum
User avatar
User avatar
AP
Mafia Scum
Mafia Scum
Posts: 1356
Joined: April 2, 2018

Post Post #1832 (ISO) » Fri Jul 19, 2019 6:16 am

Post by AP »

I don't count games I replaced out nor do I could games I replaced into. This started with this game where I replaced in on the final day, posted once and hammered the last scum within that same single post. ISO me and you'll find me making a 2nd post post-game stating I won't count it because I didn't feel I had the right to.

As for why I keep a personal record, it's mainly for my own amusement. Your digits (fingers) are not all alike. Maybe you don't but I do care about keeping a record and a wiki page.
YEAH BABY YEAH!
Oh, behave :]
User avatar
AP
AP
Mafia Scum
User avatar
User avatar
AP
Mafia Scum
Mafia Scum
Posts: 1356
Joined: April 2, 2018

Post Post #1833 (ISO) » Fri Jul 19, 2019 6:16 am

Post by AP »

^@pops^
YEAH BABY YEAH!
Oh, behave :]
User avatar
popsofctown
popsofctown
Survivor
User avatar
User avatar
popsofctown
Survivor
Survivor
Posts: 12356
Joined: September 23, 2008

Post Post #1834 (ISO) » Fri Jul 19, 2019 6:24 am

Post by popsofctown »

  • 1-shot Gladiator
    : CheekyTeeky
    Negative utility role put on a widely scumread player

  • Inactive
    : Creature
    Negative utility role put on a widely scumread slot. Little bit of a bad fit given the permanence of inactive being a mismatch for a replaced slot. but eh. can't get these things perfect

  • : Nero Cain
    Many players express difficult reading Nero Cain in general, and he hasn't taken any unusual actions that push him towards the edge of his townrange or scumrange today

  • : apthet
    Positive utility role on a widely townread slot. Between the Universal Backup and the fact that only 2 of the inventions are good there's no reason to be concerned about allowing the mafia to shoot a townread and a PR in the same shot here

  • Day 3 King
    : Jingle
    Oversoul was widely townread. D3 king sounds kinda like double daykill vig in a way so it's scary for it to not be on a townread

  • : Lil Uzi Vert
    Negative utility role on a scummy player but also one who is hardly slicing the game apart with his solves so why would you be in a hurry to protect him even if you TR'ed him

  • : momo
    Both a widely townread player and a player who plays in such a fashion that we should be able to read him based on future play without relying on investigations

  • : Gamma Emerald
    People kinda townread him I think? this role is positive utility and we lose a useful n1 investigate if this doesn't go to town, but would lose little if it was NKed between universal backup and the odd-knighting. I would put Vecna here but no proposal is perfect

  • : popsofctown
    it would maybe be nice to return to TRing Vecna if he could spend 48 hours overnight explaining to me why his lynchpool is so damn huge

  • : Vecna
  • Timid
    : Hidden Happiness
    People keep putting this in every proposal because Hidden Happiness made a post on like page 3 saying she wasn't excited about the setup complexity and core mechanic. She then made it clear it bothered her a lot to lose access to proactive play and she was not happy with the idea of having the role, while several players, myself included, think you can just get someone else to propose what you'd want and it's whatever and wouldn't mind. It'd seem like a meme to me if Shadoweh didn't already seem to be having an unfun time this game and not giving her timid could help with that in a way that I don't see in any conflict with wincon

  • : pisskop
    One of the really wide townreads so he gets a role which in some scenarios becomes positive utility but importantly can become the special negative utility of Miller

  • Vanilla
    : Iconeum
    Iconeum proposed and knew better than to ask for anything better than vanilla because a few people scumread him.

  • : AP
He has been pretty scummy this game and memeing casts into doubt his ability to solve. Getting this lynch might raise the question of why Titus or CT lynch was harder but having that question will be something to work with
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
User avatar
popsofctown
popsofctown
Survivor
User avatar
User avatar
popsofctown
Survivor
Survivor
Posts: 12356
Joined: September 23, 2008

Post Post #1835 (ISO) » Fri Jul 19, 2019 6:25 am

Post by popsofctown »

1834 is for creature's request
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
User avatar
popsofctown
popsofctown
Survivor
User avatar
User avatar
popsofctown
Survivor
Survivor
Posts: 12356
Joined: September 23, 2008

Post Post #1836 (ISO) » Fri Jul 19, 2019 6:29 am

Post by popsofctown »

oh vecna and I are both widely townread so we get positive utility roles. the combo with neighbor is getting investigative roles on later nights and putting them on one of the neighbors, then reporting clears in the neighborhood but not reporting clears in the thread. When one neighbor is NKed the other neighbor reports what all the clears are without those clears having been put at risk for NK. There's some shakiness to it including what if 1 neighbor is scum but like there's some tricks you can try to pull I guess
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
User avatar
AP
AP
Mafia Scum
User avatar
User avatar
AP
Mafia Scum
Mafia Scum
Posts: 1356
Joined: April 2, 2018

Post Post #1837 (ISO) » Fri Jul 19, 2019 6:34 am

Post by AP »

In post 1831, Creature wrote:I mean why are the current players in their current position?
This is what I'm trying to explain. People think Nero is hard to read, so they're giving him the role that auto-confirms him on D5 (after the damage has been done, so they can keep on discrediting him for 4 days and then shoot him on N4). momo made an entrance that looked townie (in hindsight it was mainly to provoke RC, and it did), so people don't trust your slot (Titus really didn't help) and thus want to prevent you from having any abilities for the rest of the game.
People insist apthet is the towniest town that had ever towned it up AND they seem to trust him making the right calls with the inventor. If he is town he's probably going to be killed N1 and his role passed to the UNB (that would be pisskop) and them PK will never know who apthet game his N1 invention to.

Note: You can't leash targeting roles because scum have a factional Rolestop. They can prevent the action from reaching it's destination if they so will.

Iconeum is scum and many are too blind to see it, so he gave himself Vanilla to get by for tonight, and yet he can be given active abilities from subsequent days proposals and can submit his own proposals too. He decided HH can't make proposals in the future and you can't have abilities, but he can do/have both.

I have no idea why pops & Vecna are neighbors. Neither of them is particularly good at neighbors in general nor have they said they can read each other with higher precision.

I dunno what else to say ir explain. Ask me something precise if you still need answers.
YEAH BABY YEAH!
Oh, behave :]
User avatar
AP
AP
Mafia Scum
User avatar
User avatar
AP
Mafia Scum
Mafia Scum
Posts: 1356
Joined: April 2, 2018

Post Post #1838 (ISO) » Fri Jul 19, 2019 6:37 am

Post by AP »

In post 1834, popsofctown wrote:Vanilla: Iconeum Iconeum proposed and knew better than to ask for anything better than vanilla because a few people scumread him.
Iconeum is scum. He proposed to get out of the lynch because almost everybody was lining up to compromise on him. He is being coached in the scum PT so he's not "the most gifted player of the team to play scum". You can take that statement to the bank.
YEAH BABY YEAH!
Oh, behave :]
User avatar
Jingle
Jingle
Ring a Bell?
User avatar
User avatar
Jingle
Ring a Bell?
Ring a Bell?
Posts: 14529
Joined: July 17, 2013
Location: Texas

Post Post #1839 (ISO) » Fri Jul 19, 2019 6:42 am

Post by Jingle »

In post 1837, AP wrote:People insist apthet is the towniest town that had ever towned it up AND they seem to trust him making the right calls with the inventor. If he is town he's probably going to be killed N1 and his role passed to the UNB (that would be pisskop) and them PK will never know who apthet game his N1 invention to.
@mod: Sorry if this has been asked, but if UBackup inherits inventor do they get all of the inventions or is the one apthet used still expended?
This is a Parachute.
User avatar
popsofctown
popsofctown
Survivor
User avatar
User avatar
popsofctown
Survivor
Survivor
Posts: 12356
Joined: September 23, 2008

Post Post #1840 (ISO) » Fri Jul 19, 2019 6:42 am

Post by popsofctown »

The nice thing about flipping a50 is I don't see him misgendering apthet this much if he shares a PT with her so it'd clear her even harder
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
User avatar
callforjudgement
callforjudgement
Microprocessor
User avatar
User avatar
callforjudgement
Microprocessor
Microprocessor
Posts: 3972
Joined: September 1, 2011

Post Post #1841 (ISO) » Fri Jul 19, 2019 6:50 am

Post by callforjudgement »

In post 1839, Jingle wrote:
@mod: Sorry if this has been asked, but if UBackup inherits inventor do they get all of the inventions or is the one apthet used still expended?
A backup of a limited-shot role like Inventor will only gain the remaining shots, not the shots that have already been used.
scum
· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·
town
User avatar
popsofctown
popsofctown
Survivor
User avatar
User avatar
popsofctown
Survivor
Survivor
Posts: 12356
Joined: September 23, 2008

Post Post #1842 (ISO) » Fri Jul 19, 2019 6:54 am

Post by popsofctown »

However if I get the inventor role and change my avatar to Miu and then I get killed and then the universal backup becomes inventor role, they also need to change their avatar to the same pic of Miu, not a less equipped pic of Miu. It's in site rules.
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
User avatar
Jingle
Jingle
Ring a Bell?
User avatar
User avatar
Jingle
Ring a Bell?
Ring a Bell?
Posts: 14529
Joined: July 17, 2013
Location: Texas

Post Post #1843 (ISO) » Fri Jul 19, 2019 6:59 am

Post by Jingle »

I'm actually pretty okay with the reasons in 1834.

I'll ISO AP to see if I think the hammer there is justified, but I'm pretty okay sheeping pops here rn.
This is a Parachute.
User avatar
pisskop
pisskop
Survivor
User avatar
User avatar
pisskop
Survivor
Survivor
Posts: 29467
Joined: November 14, 2013

Post Post #1844 (ISO) » Fri Jul 19, 2019 7:00 am

Post by pisskop »

In post 1840, popsofctown wrote:misgendering apthet this much if he shares a PT with her so it'd clear her even harder
gender info on this site is generally not a helpful thing.
beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
Almost50 pisskop: Overall, that's a townie slot. Don't ask for specifics because with PK everything can be interpreted either way. It's probably WHEN he says/does things that matter, so it's more of a matter of conception rather than solid reasoning.
User avatar
pisskop
pisskop
Survivor
User avatar
User avatar
pisskop
Survivor
Survivor
Posts: 29467
Joined: November 14, 2013

Post Post #1845 (ISO) » Fri Jul 19, 2019 7:00 am

Post by pisskop »

its mostly just frazzle dazzle. imo
beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
Almost50 pisskop: Overall, that's a townie slot. Don't ask for specifics because with PK everything can be interpreted either way. It's probably WHEN he says/does things that matter, so it's more of a matter of conception rather than solid reasoning.
User avatar
popsofctown
popsofctown
Survivor
User avatar
User avatar
popsofctown
Survivor
Survivor
Posts: 12356
Joined: September 23, 2008

Post Post #1846 (ISO) » Fri Jul 19, 2019 7:11 am

Post by popsofctown »

it's more about it as an interaction as something she's complained about and he keeps doing it. SvS bussing usually doesn't have that kind of bridge burning.

it wouldn't have to be gender it could have been anything else instead
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
User avatar
Jingle
Jingle
Ring a Bell?
User avatar
User avatar
Jingle
Ring a Bell?
Ring a Bell?
Posts: 14529
Joined: July 17, 2013
Location: Texas

Post Post #1847 (ISO) » Fri Jul 19, 2019 7:20 am

Post by Jingle »

So... What about A50 is scummy again?

in particular seems pretty damn town and I'm not sure where any of the scumreads are coming from yet, except a weakass gut read from Vecna like forever ago.
This is a Parachute.
User avatar
Jingle
Jingle
Ring a Bell?
User avatar
User avatar
Jingle
Ring a Bell?
Ring a Bell?
Posts: 14529
Joined: July 17, 2013
Location: Texas

Post Post #1848 (ISO) » Fri Jul 19, 2019 7:29 am

Post by Jingle »

Really, looking here it feels like the reasoning on A50 is that A50 is scummy because A50 is scummy.
This is a Parachute.
User avatar
popsofctown
popsofctown
Survivor
User avatar
User avatar
popsofctown
Survivor
Survivor
Posts: 12356
Joined: September 23, 2008

Post Post #1849 (ISO) » Fri Jul 19, 2019 7:33 am

Post by popsofctown »

In post 1470, Almost50 wrote:Besides, it won't change a thing for you. You and I both know that. You will try to lynch him regardless, and if given a Vig shot you're still going to shoot him.
In post 1472, Almost50 wrote:Mate, it is not easy to quote certain stiff from Nero to call him town. That's not how it works. It's how he posts, and the general way he approaches the game that enables me to read him. In this game he clearly does not have a scum agenda. He's not being cautious or fictitious or even overly survivalistic. There's nothing that scum!Nero gains from playing the way he is playing this game.
In post 1060, Almost50 wrote:You know what? I'm gonna go mechanical.

VOTE: against

I'll put my trust in Nero
I could bother with all the little droplets but bucket of it is . It just eerily like the proposal he initially voted for was either a day5 IC bus or straight bus and his concept of how much elbow room he had is what changed rather than spontaneous reverence for "mechanics", which went unexplained.

It is a day1 4th place read for me really. What can I say I tried. I thought my proposal was just dandy. But I think AP lynch is plenty good enough as better than rand chance of red flip and keeping the game heartbeat up. Not at all a statement I would have made on page 40 or whatever
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
Locked