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[Spangled]

Unfortunately I have no idea what you mean by that, and a doubtless clever joke is utterly wasted to me.
But VTs don’t often soft PR, so I can see why scum would consider it an actual claim.

[TemporalLich]

Unfortunately I have no idea what you mean by that, and a doubtless clever joke is utterly wasted to me.
But VTs don’t often soft PR, so I can see why scum would consider it an actual claim.

WIFOM except weirder.

yeah, a PR soft is likely to be from a PR.

Still, it doesn't bode well that scum shoots the PR soft instead of the most overpowered role in the setup.

[Spangled]

and considering I was roleblocked instead of shot... well... scum are more likely to be in the people who don't think my claim is true.

But there were two PR claims to shoot. Which they chose doesn’t really matter. But maybe they shot Cyan instead of you because you’re introducing discord into the town; they’re fine with you being ineffectual in the night and helping them during the day. That would make sense.

@TL

[cyrus62]

Unfortunately I have no idea what you mean by that, and a doubtless clever joke is utterly wasted to me.
But VTs don’t often soft PR, so I can see why scum would consider it an actual claim.

WIFOM except weirder.

yeah, a PR soft is likely to be from a PR.

Still, it doesn't bode well that scum shoots the PR soft instead of the most overpowered role in the setup.

well tl look what pr they took out i think it was a very smart move they took out the doc and blocked the cop. in a way we cant afford a mis lynch today . after all if we lynch any no offince if we cant find the scum as of now the cop role is useless

[cyrus62]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=80175 newest completed game proving my town role more

[Spangled]

cyrus, you can’t self-meta.
If you’re aware of your meta, you could be using it to your advantage.
It doesn’t work.

[cyrus62]

just showing i am ramdom thats how i play always random

[TemporalLich]

self-meta doesn't work but cyrus is still town

[osuka]

Unfortunately I have no idea what you mean by that, and a doubtless clever joke is utterly wasted to me.
But VTs don’t often soft PR, so I can see why scum would consider it an actual claim.

WIFOM except weirder.

yeah, a PR soft is likely to be from a PR.

Still, it doesn't bode well that scum shoots the PR soft instead of the most overpowered role in the setup.

if your cop claim is really true, that means there is a 50% chance of a mafia roleblocker

In the case of a cop+mafia RB, there is a 50% chance of a doctor. Mafia probably doesn’t wanna take the chance of shooting you and have the doctor save you - in that case, there are two PRs alive and the cop got a check.

Mafia has setup knowledge that town does not - so on second thought, even if I do have a bit of a hard time believing your claim, I do think a roleblock is feasible
UNVOTE: lich

[TemporalLich]

osuka, Cyan flipped Doc. We're locked into A3.

[cyrus62]

Spoiler:

Unfortunately I have no idea what you mean by that, and a doubtless clever joke is utterly wasted to me.
But VTs don’t often soft PR, so I can see why scum would consider it an actual claim.

WIFOM except weirder.

yeah, a PR soft is likely to be from a PR.

Still, it doesn't bode well that scum shoots the PR soft instead of the most overpowered role in the setup.

if your cop claim is really true, that means there is a 50% chance of a mafia roleblocker

In the case of a cop+mafia RB, there is a 50% chance of a doctor. Mafia probably doesn’t wanna take the chance of shooting you and have the doctor save you - in that case, there are two PRs alive and the cop got a check.

Mafia has setup knowledge that town does not - so on second thought, even if I do have a bit of a hard time believing your claim, I do think a roleblock is feasible
UNVOTE: lich

if thats the case whats the since of a cop after all they will just keep getting blocked. so even if lich is cop we teat them like just town till the rb is found.

[Spangled]

That is pretty much what osuka is proposing, cyrus.

[Spangled]

self-meta doesn't work but cyrus is still town

Oh, I agree, but you just can’t self-meta; it doesn’t work.

[TemporalLich]

self-meta doesn't work but cyrus is still town

Oh, I agree, but you just can’t self-meta; it doesn’t work.

are you saying cyrus is scum?

[Spangled]

No. I was agreeing with you that cyrus is town regardless of his self-meta.

[eth0s]

Short intro: I haven't played a game on this site, or mafia in general in over a year (unless you count ToS, which I play occasionally) so I may be a bit rusty. I may forget some terminology, strategy, meta, etc. But that should be fine as this is the newbie queue .

In the interest of transparency I will admit that I have some bias when it comes to replaced slots. I usually feel as though replaced slots have a higher chance of being VT and non replaced slots have a higher chance of being scum or PR. It's not like I will hold this bias over evidence and reads that I gather, but it could influence my early reads or my thoughts on quiet players.

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Hello! I'm your resident SE!

What's your experience with Mafia?

Other than ToS my only experience is on this site from about 19 to 13 months ago. I probably played over 10 games in that span. I think I was playing like 3 games simultaneously at once .

VOTE: Cyan Talon tell me if i do better this time

this feels kinda like a taunt to me

VOTE: Cyan Talon tell me if i do better this time

Depends on you, buddy.

townpings from this response

why would i give reads on the 1st page when theres still people not yet to post dont be so hasty let others post then i can give reads.

why so defensive?

but I need an RVS vote.

Why do you think this?

encourages activity or something or other

yup

if you are town, you just fucked up cause I am not un-voting you until you are dead.

hard scrumread or this guy just thinks with emotion over everything... the latter is a very undesirable trait in this game imo.

It's the first time we are playing together. You caused me to have to replace out.

I don't think you as town would do this. I could see the ploy with you as scum, so that is why i am not removing my vote.

So robb doesn't care if teacher is scum or not but going to vote him no matter what? But now claims that it's a scumread? hmmm....

I claim cop. My n0 redcheck is on somebody called phone..? Lets wagon him. How can I vote them?

You can vote using vote tags:

Code: Select all

[vote]put the player's name here[/vote]

Also I think you just claimed scum...

VOTE: Phone0Ix

why did you vote your self

ok wtf just happened there?

page 3 conclusion this robbnva guy is a very angry person

VOTE: Robbnva

The selfvote was RvS btw if that wasnt clear, I earlier said I had a redcheck on myself and wanted to know how to vote remember?

But Robb's reaction to RvS is a big overreact

what does he mean by red check? I do not understand.

phone jumped off robs wagon when he heard it was l1 this shows town not wanting to get a lynch to fast

eh, or scum not wanting to seem too aggressive early on.

Scum teacher definitely doesn't vote you, though - he'd know it would get him lynched.

Explain this. How would teacher voting me get him lynched?

Town teacher wouldn’t purposely create chaos. Scum teacher would. People would give teacher benefit of the doubt thinking scum wouldn’t be so bold. The thing is teacher knows I love to fight. I love to argue.

Scum teacher knows to make that happen and hopefully gets written off as tvt or what you just did, scum teacher wouldn’t do it.

Here’s my issue. FACT. That was not an attempt as humor. Nothing about that post implies humor.

This means that he carried a grudge into this game, which is against site rules.

So I don’t give a crap if he’s town or scum. I don’t give a crap if I’m lynched I the process. I’m not tattling to the mod especially since he replaced out, so I’m just lynching the spot and eliminate the ambiguity. If you or anyone else wants to lynch me for this go right ahead but I’m not changing my vote until that slot is gone.

Huh? The only one I really saw holding a grudge was robbnva.

see why I have trouble seeing why you are town? You don't even try to explain yourself.

What is wolfy about calling out a bizarre 180?

whether you want to admit it or not, dropping a scum read on somebody without any explanation at all, especially when momentum seems to be shifting away from that person is scummy.

this post and his last couple before this finally gave me hope that he might not be as unpleasant to play with as I originally thought... oh but still not townreading him..

Too many players have been focusing on Robbnva and the only players who haven't been focusing on him are Spangled, Cyan, Cyrus, and me. A player who is getting focused by multiple players I tend to think that player could be town. If you guys think Robbnva is scum, then that would mean either Spangled or Cyan would be his scum buddy. The interaction between Robbnva and Cyrus doesn't look like a scum pair. I think Robbnva could be town since so many players have been focusing on him.

@cyan and spangled your thoughts on this post please?

I actually haven't been paying attention to Robbnva, now that I think about it. Sorry about that.

Anyway, I find this slot moldy suspicious. For one, he's definitely on tunnel vision mode. I really don't see why a bad play history and an RVS vote are solid reasons for a lynch, and the way he tries to force someone to 'slip' makes no sense.

Keep the wording in this post in mind;

lol just give up and claim scum already

You're just trying to get me to prematurely claim.

It makes no sense for me to claim when it is D1 and

nobody has voted me yet.

Never in this post did he allude to the notion that he would be claiming scum. This isn't a definitive scumslip, and Robbnva should know that by now.

yeah this is pretty much why i won't townread him. I know he is just trying to gauge reactions at this point in the game but mercilessly trying to make someone look like they claaimed scum when they obviously didn't is not a good look.

Robb, do you have a scumgame we could see (just in case)?

Only one that comes to mind is the one that just ended. I replaced out. Unfortunately I forgot I was scum so not really a good basis but I am capable of playing an emotional game as scum. So all you’ll learn is the way I’m playing is NaI

9 years of playing on this site and only one game "comes to mind"? Is he just banking on no one else combing through his post history?

Like ignoring my anger towards teacher and phone which are legitimate, the stuff I posted about why temoral is scum is probably the best reason anyone has given this far.

His “360” nonsense and his refusal to explain himself are hands down the scummiest things I’ve seen

yep i actually agree with this. TvS i think. Even though i find both of them at least somewhat scummy.. I'm wrong about one of them.

Seriously town deserves to lose.

if this is ever town I will be shocked

I don't think scum!Robb is this aggressive or in-your-face.

You don't think so? Have you ever read one of his scum games?

gonna shift my vote because I'm thinking TL/Robb is TvT and because of 243 maybe.

VOTE: Cyan Talon

Reading his ISO, 177's read on cyrus doesn't feel genuine and the rest feels lukewarm. Mulling between this and RedFlavor (entire ISO is lukewarm at best) tbh.

ew. bad post. This is my top scumread at this point. robb/phone being tied for #2

What would having him 'on the hook' achieve?
Again, if you think he's scum, wait until he slips up properly.
Don't complain about his bad etiquette; ask him (or others) pointed and game-advancing questions, and don't just blindly insist he's scum.

I like this guy's posts. He is so chill, like a mediator. Idk if it's great reasoning but his ability to try and reason with someone that cant be reasoned with shows me he really wants people to think and gives me a townping.

Robb vs Temporal looked like it was town vs town.

This is what? Like the 3rd person to say this? Why? No one is really giving reasoning. Temporal is playing reactionary mafia and everyone but robb is letting him get away with it. They both vote each other and try to make a great case that the other one is scum. IMO this is because one of them is scum and the more they can convince town to vote with them, less likely town will scumread them on the townflip. that's my two cents on the fight so far.

And FL is totally ignoring this game; he's playing his others but not this.
I wonder if he's lurking, or if he's just forgotten it exists.

I know this blames me but true and the fact that you were paying attention to this shows you ar etown

wat

connorcompton
Cyan Talon
TemporalLich (SE)
Robbnva (SE)

I think scumteam is between these people and i think temporal is most likeliest mafia here, least likeliest probably alpha m

agreed except i find red scummier than connor and cyan at this point. But connor DEFINITELY needs to talk more or that will likely change. cyan the least likely scum i see in this. oh and phone would be scummier than cyan on my list.

I dont make cases kido

So PoE. Fair enough.

I am seeing scum!Temporal, kind of.
245 in particular, with it's ultra-opportunistic switch from Robb after I finished making a decent argument. I've known the feeling he might have been feeling as scum; wanting to get out of an argument because you know you're losing, and doing it in the way that saves the most face. Aye, I'd accept a Temporal lynch, but I want D1 to take as long as it can before we settle on any kind of lynch candidate.

Also, I want connor and Phone's slots talking.

this guy is so town

Sera Masumi's intro post #429 was great. And had a few shared opinions with myself that noe one else had brought up yet, like "I have no idea what Temporal is doing with his reads this game, they feel all over the place to me and honestly he's probably my best candidate outside cyrus. I'm really not getting the Town v. Town Robb-Temp reads here and would like somebody to explain it to me like I'm 5."
I hope Sera stays this active as the game was getting stale before this post and I'm hoping this gives it the breath of life it needs... My main qualm though is that she doesn't really give great reason for her views on Spangled, and they don't align with mine. And the cyrus scumread seems a little forced.

@Cyrus #430 what does your post count matter? You are a self-proclaimed spammer if I remember correctly. Yes you're active but you also contribute less to discussion than some of the others do.

but I strongly disagree cyrus could be scum.

Echoing this thought right here.

So you still townreading TL at this point?

seeing it as it is yes it can be either of the two . however i did not like the fact that the thread got held by these two. i already sorted every one i could and came back to phone and connar

But connor was getting replaced after making one post all game? The game was holding up because he quit the game and they needed to find someone else. Turns out Phone was basically the same way. Why is that suspicious to the point that you'd shade somebody getting replaced with one post that you didn't seem to find particularly suspicious instead of poking at other players?

Actually can we cut to the chase and have you explain why you thought arguing to lynch somebody being replaced before their replacement entered was a good idea?

i dont see how spangled could be anything but town hes looking for scum and doing reads

Scum can pretend to do those things though? Phone gave reads. I gave reads. Everyone in the game has given reads at one point or another. What about Spangled's hunting feels genuine to you?

Everyone has given reads? I think maybe half of the game has.

@Sera
I'd take a TL lynch as a compromise, but not a cyrus one. No way. To me he is towning it all the way up this game, and displays good reasoning and town-thinking in so many places.

no, spangled. Cyrus isn't towning it all the way up, you are. I don't get why everyone loves what cyrus says so much when usually it doesn't have much substance. Confused.

Looking back, I like posts like 157 and 136 and 137 and 127 a fair bit.
I do feel a little less confident in my cyrus read, having reread his ISO, but he's till fairly town for me.

good

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And that's it for tonight folks. I probably didn't even pay quite enough attention on the last few pages (16-18 or so) because I am growing quite tired but I did really like Sera's notes and agreed with just about all of it. I do really want to say that it's refreshing to see someone that agrees with so many of my opinions, but hard to say how much of that I should attribute to a TR vs the advantage we have of being able to catch up quickly instead of the slow game the rest of you were subjected to.

Again, I have still only read through page 18, so everything I have said up to this point has been based entirely off of those pages. However, here is what my reads list looks like as of the end of page 18:

[Town]

Spangled (hard TR)

*covered in my recap above really.

Sera (TR)

*strong catch up into the game that shares some of my own views.

Adorable (town lean)

*eh i need more info because this slot could still be null if I looked at the ISO I bet.

Robbnva (slight town lean)

*idk I dont have a strong case for this one. Think him vs Temporal was TvS though so that's my main reason to want to trust him.

Cyan (null)

*need more info

Cyrus (slight scum lean)

*too much of what I perceive to be talking to look useful, not be useful.

Phone0Ix (SR)

*need more info. why was he trolling if town though?

TemporalLich (SR)

*Town!Temporal should know better than to have played only in reactions. Especially as an SR. I also perceive a decent bit of his dialogue as trying to look like he is saying more than he is. Sorta like cyrus but not quite the same. I need to sleep on it and maybe I can explain what I mean better tomorrow.
[Scum]

If I don't have to stay late at work, I should be caught up fully by tomorrow night. If I do have to stay late, hopefully I will at least get to page 30 tomorrow.

P.S. I actually forgot that I took the role of one of the players above until now (lol) so to be honest I was going to null read RedFlavor because I need more info but since I have his slot, I have to say I don't agree with the way he was playing. Oh well.

[cyrus62]

good now i can do reads took so long for every one to post so here it is

[cyrus62]

town
lich cop clime
cyan flip doc
spangled town
red null
rob scum lean
sera scum lean
me watcher
wenmester town lean
adoable townish

sorry to throse who replaced in i couldn't remember all your names yet but there is my read it took 16 days to get enough information to give a good read i dont just hand these out i study carefully and will do cases on why i find you scummy later on also pc isuse still happening but will keep playing though as much as i can looking to get a new charger soon.

[Adorable]

Here are my reads so far

Town/Temp - Claimed Cop
Leaning Town/Osuka - On day 1 everyone were scum reading Robb except for Spangled and me. If Osuka is scum, Spangled would be the only person I could think of who could be his scum buddy.
Slight Town/Cyrus - His play reminds me of my noob town play. Cyrus says he was going to trust me on my reads and I remember when I was a noob town every time when I town read a player, I would always follow along with them and trust them on their reads. I think Cyrus is town.
Slight Town/Spangled - He town reads Sera who was getting scum read by 3 players and he did not want Sera to get lynched and I find it really weird of a scum player not wanting a certain player to get lynched who has been getting scum read by 3 players or unless scum would be defending its own scum buddy.
Leaning Scum/Wheme - When Phone claimed Cop, it looked like it was a joke but I later started to think he did that so that he could get a reaction from the real Cop, and he's the 4th person to vote Robb with a bad vote reasoning.
Leaning Scum/Sera - Connor was the 3rd person to vote Robb and he votes Robb saying he's up for trying new things and that's not a good reason to scum read someone. Sera subs in for Connor and she made a case on Temp and I remember one of her case on him was because of his flip flopping but I have seen so many town flip flopping before.
Leaning Scum/Red - I didn't understand his vote reason on Robb, I asked if he could explain his vote reason on Robb but he never did, he town reads Phone but I didn't see anything towny from Phone and if Phone really is town, then that looked like Red would be scum who knows Phone is town. Thespio subbed in for Red and he says he thinks Robb and Temp are scum buddies who are fake arguing with each other and that did not look like a scum buddy argument. It looked like Thespio's read on Robb and Temp is done by a scum player.

[TemporalLich]

I need to provide reads as well. Surely it may help piece the town together.

Here's a lead rist.

[Town]

cyrus62

- 142 is town-AI, the fact cyrus is pretty much a thoughtstream spews him as town-aligned.
eth0s - The effort in your catchup post up to page 18 (1040), which predates my mediumclaim in 525, is something I don't see scum doing. Townlean.
Adorable - Null!townlean, can see a few towny posts in the ISO such as 375 (yeah good scumcase), 486 (good observations), and 1043 (I really like the explanations in the readlist).
Sera Masumi - Hasn't posted since

9 days 18 hours

...
osuka - 1033 is a pretty bad post. We're in A3 because Cyan flipped Doc. This seems to be indicative of osuka's low effort play.
WhemeStar - Don't see much effort here either, ISO looks scummier than osuka.

Spangled

- It's a good thing for you I got no result on you... however you still seem like scum trying to coast along.

[Scum]

I was hoping the night would give Sera time to catch up...but alas- looking for replacement for Sera Masumi

[Baezu]

Vote Count 2.1

With 8 players it takes 5 to lynch

Spangled (1) ~

TenporalLich

TemporalLich (1) ~

osuka

not voting (6) ~

adorable, cyrus62, eth0s, Sera Masumi, spangled, Whemestar

deadline: Paused until a replacement is found.

[eth0s]

disclaimer: still haven't read anything past page 18

I made some logic errors in my post 1040 obviously I was originally suspicious of my own slot (lol) but it didn't even occur to me until now that I have teacher's original spot. This gives me the benefit of knowing that Robb was wrong about him being scum and adds to my suspicion of robb (or osuka I guess since he apparently subbed that slot). If Robb is a known tunneler, and is going to to have such a wrong read on someone he claims to know well, say he won't back down, and then backs down, that looks really bad to me (esp knowing teacher's role now). So I still perceive the Temporal & Robb as TvS, and I still think that Temporal is more likely scum, but if he isn't then Osuka must be. At least that's what I see so far.

I actually would view that as SvS if I didn't think that Robb would know better than to destroy Temporal's image like that, but I think Robb genuinely expected Temporal to get lynched day one. I would also like to note that I find it even more suspicious now that Robb only has one scum game "come to mind" and it's one he replaced out in and "forgot he was scum". He is banking on newbs not digging any further.

Anyways I'm going to continue my catchup now. To page 19 I go!

[Adorable]

Between the players I listed as scum on my read list, I'm leaning more on Wheme more likely to be scum. Sera hasn't been online for 11 days and we know for sure she definitely did not kill Cyan and whoever killed Cyan was more likely online yesterday and day before yesterday.

VOTE: Whemestar

[eth0s]

OH YEAH one more thing that I didn't really touch on much last night that Sera brought up: why the hell did Cyrus want to put a lynch through so badly while we were waiting on a replacement? I won't attribute that to newb!cyrus. He should know better by now.

page 19-30

I like your analysis of Robb; it echoes my thoughts by and large. You also considered something else no one had considered; the genuineness of his posts and tone.
I don't like that I'm mentioned only once (as making a decent case on Temporal), but still pushed up to a TR. Why else do you think I'm town?
You make an excellent case for scum!Temporal; I'm going to sheep you on this. I've been putting off reading his ISO for a while. I think I was subconsciously clinging to wanting to be the mediator between him and Robb... but I think I'm done with that now.
VOTE: TemporalLich

You do suggest me, Adorable, Cyrus or Cyan as potential candidates for being Temporal's scumpartner because we publicly supported him. I'm inclined to think that scumpartners tend not to do that so as to not draw attention to themselves.

@Temporal, as this I believe is L-1, could you towncase yourself for us please, and then perhaps claim?

Haha he even calls himself a mediator now too, and I agree with this post in every aspect. If the prior events in the game have anything to say about the future events, Temporal is going to start scumreading Spangled for this.

Next post 451 by Sera is amazing as well. Sera and Spangled are town. Definitely.

#453 by Cyan feels very genuine and gives me townpings. I noticed today that he already died and flipped doctor, sadly.. So I guess this doesn't mean much now but he also started coming around to the Scum!Temporal idea and now he is dead so hmm...

Just saw I got to L-1 and then instead of being put in the tent I'm taken off L-1. I'm not claiming yet.

YIKES. You know there is intent against you. You know the implications of that. Stop trying to play dumb. Make a case for yourself.

Just saw I got to L-1 and then instead of being put in the tent I'm taken off L-1. I'm not claiming yet.

I mean, I unvoted solely to make sure no lolhammer shenanigans went on and gave you time to respond to the in-thread arguments or claim. Choosing to do neither isn't really the best look...

VOTE: Sera Masumi

your vote is wolfy then

"Everyone that thinks I'm sus is wolfy" yikes x2

Temporal is getting destroyed in the conversation with Sera. She makes such a good case on him and he just keeps making the same mistakes he made against Robb. Why wasn't he lynched D1?

Either way I'm not in the tent yet.

If somebody hammers, they're lynched next.

VOTE: TemporalLich

Spangled and Sera are on this vote but we still don't have a replacement? A little contradictory. I mean yeah an actual defense or claim from Temporal would be nice but we are still missing a whole player at this point. And 2 or 3 of the other players are essentially lurking all game.

let me start by saying i realu dislike big post overly worded as they are could have hidden meaning as i said i wasnt able to read no one fully yet and yes at a risk of takeing flank may i ask why your puting temp to l1 with out asking red to tell thire reads or build a case waiting for rob to respond and even hearing them out fully . all i have seen from temp this game was he scum read some one got yelled at by the person thenevery one said it was tvt and no one looked closer at rob . or red for saying phone is town cuse i playd with him . i need these people to be looked at closer before i even think of voteing my town reads and now you put your self in a spot saying temp and me or spangled or me so dose that mean that if temp comes back town your still assume me but now suspect spanglled and then hang oonne of us.

hard for me to say how much of this is due to newb!cyrus but why is he still so hesitant to give reads at this point? He makes a good point about "why is Temporal at L-1" and essentially ask why everyone assumes them to be TvT. I even like that is skeptical about my slot. Red is lurking too hard and no one cares except Cyrus at this point it seems. slight townpings from this but still, if either Cyrus or Temporal flip scum then the other should be looked at with extreme scrutiny.

477 Sera points out that cyrus was included in the list of people calling robb vs temporal tvt. The credit I gave cyrus is immediately null and void after having this pointed out to me.

So Temp is getting scum read for unvoting Robb and then voting him again? In past games I have seen town do this and I don't think scum are capable of this kind of play.

No, you are completely ignoring the WHY of Temporal's actions.

I have a theory if Red is scum, Sera would be his scum buddy and I also find it interesting Red said Phone is town and it looked like to me Red would be scum if Phone does flip town since he was feeling confident Phone is town.

Again, against my own slot but I still like the logic here. The scrutiny on red from sera is lacking, but also the WHOLE TOWN is letting red get away with lurking and not trying to engage him much. Well, other than Spangled I guess.

Spangled in 487 "Adorable, have you read the rest of Sera's scum!Temporal case? It does not just consist of 'unvoting then voting Robb again'; it consists of Temporal flip-flopping all the way through this game, and being super opportunistic at many a point, never really displaying good reasoning or thinking like town should. Please read the case in its' entirety; I feel that it makes lots of good points about Temporal and his ISO." THIS is why it matters, Adorable.

489 Temporal still talking about wolfy this wolfy that. Being a proactive player is NAI. Why does he act like it's a bad thing when it's against him but a good thing when it's against others?

The fact there's no resistance on my wagon means I might be done for.

So claim.

!!!!!

(because a VT should never fakeclaim. Doing that is gamethrowing).

Never is a harsh word. I would say there is probably a good 5% of the time where, when done correctly and at the right time, this can actually win town the game.

if me saying dont pr hunt is scummy then this town doesngt understand the way the game works .

Gonna have to agree, rolefishing is scummy.

LMAO at both of these guys. The town is looking at Temporal to claim because he is overly scummy, and both Cyrus and Temporal are acting like the town just wants to know Temporal's role for the hell of it. Victim's mentality, or Temporal has something to hide.

Temporal if you don't want to claim I'm fine with that. But understand, you've are softing PR by doing this. Even if we don't lynch you, if scum have a brain you'll eat the NK.

Prediction: somewhere down the line this post will have inspired Temporal to claim PR.

stop this it isnt helping town

Cyrus, it is because of your own words, and you blind following of Temporal that things even had to be spelled out for the scum this plainly.

Alright might as well mediumclaim:

I know 300% Phone's "claim" is a fakeclaim

Weird. Phone could have been "claiming" Mafia Rolecop. So how would you 300% know that is false if you aren't scum? hmm

So that explains why Temp was suspicious of Phone's post on page 2. I have seen alot of town flip flopping and they do this because they try to figure out who is scum and they sometimes get mislynched for flip flopping.

NOTE TO SELF: come back to this after my catch-up.

cyrus, I think you're town.
What I do want to know is - why did you think Temporal was a PR?

the way he plays prs would try to fight a lynch as much as a scum since they know them dieing hurts the town more then a normal town which states they, could be liring i'll give you that but untill a cc is made we have to count it as truth.

also the way they are picking who they think are scum could be a hint on who they going to check at night,

A PR would make some sort of a case for himself and not just jump around on random wagons...

Also I am starting to see why Temporal wasn't lynched even though I don't totally agree with letting him off the hook so easily.

538

NOTE TO SELF: come back to this after my catch-up.

note i havent voted yet so yes you two got 2 points for that play and i wont vote till some one has 10 points

So what did Cyan do to get 10 points earlier? And why is Cyan now dead?

Like I'm legit kind of annoyed at both you and Temp if you're town, which at this point is not entirely implausible, but you know, it's a game. Gotta let it go.

Don't agree with #556 but I like it; think it comes from a sincere place.

^

#565 cyan says some things I don't agree with but the one I want to comment on "I just wish her (Sera) posts could be a little on the shorter and more concise side of things, but having a lot to say isn't any hurtful for town."
Sera's posts are longer, yes, but imo very concise. She and spangled are providing the best town perspective in the game.

Cyrus' #569 You seem

awfully confident

in Temporal telling the truth and I just don't understand it tbh.

cyrus, I want Temporal's opinions, especially since we're treating him as conf!town.

Not just that. We NEED and DESERVE his opinions now. His behavior is so scummy overall (and not indicative of PR play at all) that I personally would have still pushed for the lynch at this point.

And what we did only helped scum, in the long run, true,

Eh, I disagree with the "only" bit. If this was a fake claim then a townie should now know that Temp is lying.

a D1 PR lynch is really bad, but not as bad as a D1 No Lynch

NOTE TO SELF: come back to this after my catch-up.

Town

: cyrus62

Townlean

: Cyan Talon, Adorable, Robbnva

Meh

: Spangled

Scumlean

: RedFlavor

Scum

: Sera Masumi

I can't help but TR cyrus. He's been a major factor in the town and in my decisions.

Cyan Talon is giving me fresh new insights that I feel come from a good place.

Adorable I can gel with but there is high scum equity (whatever that is) in her ISO.

Robbnva is townlean to me mainly due to his TvT interaction with me

I don't gel with Spangled but he isn't on my scum radar.

RedFlavor has been refusing to effort, not even trying to effort, and is in danger of being pinged rn.

Sera Masumi thinks refusing to effort is NAI (it's anti-town since it hurts the town by denying info and it's easier for scum to not effort), tries to put a Schrödinger's vote on me, multiplies by 1.5 when I push that as scummy to push my claim, and I don't get why Sera scumreads cyrus.

Doubling down on the sketchy (and perhaps baseless) Cyrus TR.
Townlean the not-lurking-lurker Cyan that wants people off of Temporal.
Townlean Adorable, the only person actually contributing to scumhunting that isn't targeting Temporal.
Townlean Robb, the guy that he believes he needs to be townleaning to minimizing the flip-flopping he has already been called out for multiple times (also very convenient he is V/LA and not here to pressure Temporal)
Nullread Spangled, the guy that's being cool enough to him now that he claimed PR, and knows wont come at him in the voting today.
Scumlean Redflavor for good reason tbh
SR Sera because she is pressuring him to say anything useful like Robb was earlier.

VOTE: Sera Masumi because i scum read the way they ran temp to l1 forced a soft and then a hard clam and when they faild to lynch a pr they aim at 3 other towns so i think they are just testing the waters to see who the easiest lynch is.

I thought she needed 10 points for your vote? You said she had 2 points and now she has 10 even though all your reasoning is stuff she did before she only had 2 points? Hmm

cyrus is forced.

I'm not voting Cyan Talon.

Not voting Talon but "no lynch is worse than PR lynch" and really has no reason to like talon so much other than the fact that Talon doesn't want Temporal Lynched today.

i shorted red and he come up as town but hasnt been playing much since they thought the game was on hold for 5 days so i have to wait for red and phone to be replaced before i can short better cyan is town temp is town and i am town i want to say spangled is town adorabke is town rob is town im pretty sure your scum and i cant short red as of now or phone but red was scum hunting and i think hes town

so many holes in your logic...

Also I really don't think arguing with Temp is going to get the town anywhere and just clutter up the thread- I'm going to break from the thread for a while unless anyone has any questions or cases against me; I'm happy to engage with either.

show us your case why your town then defend your self cuse i can case you as scum if you perfer

haven't you already done that, though? You require a whole 10 points to even vote someone! And you voted her!

i wanted to get you to realize ev ery thing i am doing isnt scummy

but in town play like you

i am trying this is only my 2nd game ok. i have neverd playd on tos or any scum sight or foum sights so i am doing the best i can and now i am doing the best i can to

prove that i am town like you and temp

so get off my back and i'll get off yours and maybe we can hunt scum together sound fair.

Wait did you just admit that Sera is playing like town and you're only voting her because she is suspicious of you? That's a BIG red flag.

what come on im bored right now lynch me then if you so sure im scum then when i flip town maybe your realize a 2nd time i dont lie .

Maybe you'll realize that dying for the sake of it is never a good thing for you or your team.

agreed, especially if everyone agrees you're town

huh

as of page 11, lich has completely ceased posting any analyses and his posts are now completely devoid of meaningful content

I have liked most of osuka's posts so far and this one actually made me LOL in agreeance

I have a conflicted read on osuka, the catchup is towny but the vote on me doesn't seem town-motivated

once again the "x doesn't like me so I can't TR them" position. He has literally done that every time someone suspects him. That is the only non-flipfloppy thing about him.

I don't think they've gotten up to the part where you claim without a CC.
But aye, there's no real reason to vote someone until you read

everything

.

agree

i honestly feel spangled was just scum hunting and maybe sera was too what makes me wonder is why did the new guy vote for after you climed pr and no one counter you

don't be like Temporal. We need reasons as to why you feel this way because it looks like a big ol' flipflop to me. You were essentially mirroring Temporal's accusations of them rolefishing and now they were just scumhunting?

i do happen to agree with that slot's scumreads from 449, but I'm very iffy on any townreads other than sera at this point

why cant you townread spangled?

(because a VT should never fakeclaim. Doing that is gamethrowing)

not strictly related to this game, but i strongly disagree with this as a blanket statement (and i believe ive actually almost lost a game because of a vt fakeclaim, if memory serves)

hell yeah, another sub I can agree with. I'm liking the subs so far.

Town

: cyrus62

Townlean

: Cyan Talon, Adorable, Robbnva

Meh

: Spangled

Scumlean

: RedFlavor

Scum

: Sera Masumi

this readslist is ass-backwards.

to be very clear, lich is not conftown in my mind. The absence of a counter claim does not mean a claim is valid (

especially

for a softclaim). i'm willing to trust this slot d1 to some extent, but I don't discard the possibility of scum here

yep and it is easiest to fake claim d1 because lowest chance of real PR CCing it. Plus now that Cyan is dead I find that post even more sus

phone jumped off robs wagon when he heard it was l1 this shows town not wanting to get a lynch to fast

I don’t like this post

yeah, cyrus does that a lot.

no office intended Adorable but you do realize if you drag the day out and rob still gets lynch and flips scum instead of town you look bad right? just saying not ment to be harsh.

Go read some completed mafia games please. This isn’t meant to be an insult or anything but a way for you to learn mafia. The worst thing this site did was take away ICs. Now nobody can actually teach people.

If you are actually town, that line of thinking is so wrong. You probably won’t listen/trust me so please go read games and learn for yourself

IC's aren't in newbie games anymore?

I also missed the memo on this. It's a damn shame.

Hey spangled if your scum congratz on winning this game.

+1

At this point RedFlavor might actually be scum, who has me in his scumteam list because I'm still an easy lynch apparently

scummy post

that's your cop your calling scummy.

why are you still so adamant about this

But you could be helping scum.

Spangled this paranoia is entirely unreasonable

paranoia? It is literally just a fact of mafia!

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Okay so that is through page 30. I'm sorry for the WoTs but I just have to catch up and it is so tedious to do each one in a new post. I just now realized that it will be much harder to quote me now that I didn't do it in one post, though. So I apologize for that. I will try to do the rest with only a couple of quotes per post. Anyway here is my updated readlist accurate up to page 30:

Town: Spangled
Townlean: Sera Masumi, Adorable,
Meh: Osuka
Scumlean: cyrus62, Whemestar
Scum: TemporalLich

Spangled: He has been questioning everyone and steered day 1 away from the somewhat silly tunneling from Robb(Osuka slot), but he also used the information that Robb(osuka) got us to make a good case against Temporal. He has held his composure against people questioning him and continues to blatantly scumhunt and at least 90% of his decisions align with what I would do as town.

Sera Masumi: She came in hot, scumhunting quickly and making controversial statements, including things that others hadn't said yet. I can't give her a full townread yet as I see some of her statements come off a little too LAMIST and tryhardish, but these don't necessarily come off as scummy either

Adorable: Weakest townlean. I still need to check the ISO but overall she appears to be trying to scumhunt. A little lurky at the same time though. I could see her being the real PR if Temporal isn't, but I am not banking on that. I don't fully agree with her logic from what I can remember.

Osuka: I still think that Temporal vs Robb(osuka) was TvS, and though I think Temporal is the scum I will definitely be looking at Osuka if Temporal flips town. I need to see more from Osuka himself. I have played with him once or twice before and think we generally agreed on most things. I want to say we won together at one point but will need to check that. Anyway -- since I haven't seen much from Osuka, most of my opinion on this slot is from Robb, and robb was definitely wrong about my slot's alignment, so I need to read a town!robb and scum!robb game to solidify my thoughts. I want to TL because it looks like he was just gauging reactions but if he is typically a nonstop tunneler in his town games then his play this game is very sus.

Whemestar: The slot was trolling I think? A PR/scumclaim right off the bat that I won't entirely rule out as being true. With the selfvote too. Stuff like this can fly under the radar in newbie games like this but I still find it odd that it wasn't talked about more by someone. I haven't seen much of substance from Wheme yet so this read is the one most likely to change, I think.

cyrus: Idek what to say about this one. My brain physically hurts trying to decide whether his motivations are noobtown or noobscum. Overall it looks scummy to me but I need to ISO him and read his completed game to get a better idea of what I'm dealing with. If my findings strengthen my scum!cyrus case (or even if it doesn't make me believe he is any more town) then I will likely push for his lynch on day 2 as I don't need the confusion, he does nothing to help town, and generally just flipflops like Temporal, but without a claim to make me hesitate on the rope.

Temporal: Oh, Temporal. You are all over the place. Constantly attacking anyone who comes after you and writing it off as wolf behavior. It looks like Robb got under your skin and you failed all but one reaction test so far. Yeah it was stupid that he was trying to say you claimed scum, and you handled that relatively well, but that is NAI and most of your actions seem very scum-motivated. I'm not sure if I can or will lynch you today, but I really want to. I would have lynched you on day one if I could've. At least from what I have read so far.

Omitted: Cyan Talon - I saw his flip already.

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Thing is, I really don't think Sera is scum either.
She has displayed, to me, a lot of great reasoning and town-thinking.

what's your feeling on WhemeStar then?

Again, Temporal doesn't even try to provide any reasoning here for why he thinks Spangled should vote Sera with him. He doesn't even have a good reason for voting Sera. He is hoping for Spangled (who most townread) to whip out one of his great explanations, then Temporal will probably jump on the Wheme wagon.