Newbie 1943: Crosswords (Game Over)

[eth0s]

so basically what you're saying is that it's impossible to meta read you at this time

It is and it isn't. If you look at his game there, you actually get a peek at how he operates, which I'd say is along the lines of 'moderately unreasonable'.

He might be aware of his meta, he might also be a pretty weird player overall. Right now, I'm leaning on Cyrus being town as a carry-over from said game; there's just the idea that he's being too scummy to be scum that I had in said game, and honestly I'm feeling it here.

If anything is nagging me now, it's the moment he took charge of the town early (current) game before reverting back to his old self.

NOTE TO SELF: come back to this after my catch-up.

oops i meant to combine this with my last post teehee

[eth0s]

Good thing Lich is the PR because if he wasn’t I’d want him lynched

Good thing he claimed PR *ftfy
Also, wheme, havent we played together before? Was it maybe in that one alien themed game?

[eth0s]

No... no other thoughts?
Why is Cyan scum, first?

Pedit:
Phew I thought you were leaving it there.

I don’t make cases sry bud

VOTE: WhemeStar

seriously?

lol there it its

[eth0s]

Idk spangled just read Cyans iso dude is so neutral on everything and hasn’t placed one vote all game

Just screams scum too me

alright I think I can agree with this case. Yeah, no vote is scummy AF.

VOTE: Cyan Talon

Sera is still a worthy lynch

Then drop on the deck and flop like a fish!

[eth0s]

Back again, and considering the deadline's probably cutting short and I'm about to die...

I'd like to inform you that if I am to believe everything I currently do as of now, there is a Mafia Roleblocker among us. Meanwhile, let me catch up.

god fucking dammit

[eth0s]

My main case against Sera is still the fact she manipulates me into claiming by setting me on L-1 (see 472) when

she didn't even want to L-1 vote me

(see 455). And 451 makes it look even worse.

She doubled down on my vote with 490 btw.

464 is also a bad defense.

pedit: okay I guess, gonna flip back just in case

VOTE: Cyan Talon

votes the soft claiming doc lol

[eth0s]

Okay, Thespio. Was confused because I thought he replaced Sera and not red but... I agree with his intro post for the most part.. I know we are on the same slot so that doesn't mean much, but I at least like his inital post more than anything Red ever said. I don't really agree with his SvS claim on Robb vs Temporal but I will think about it

[eth0s]

yeah my vote isnt moving, You are not cop, My guess is there is a mafia RB, and you are claiming a role that exists 2/3 of the time. you want a CC so you can RB the cop. and kill someone else, effectively canceling out the cop. You are likely not the RB, as you made the claim.

Post 893 has some information that would argue otherwise.

um, sorry, i meant 892. whoops

anyway, consider what i'm implying behind my statement. it would tell you that there likely isn't a Mafia RB if TL is lying with his cop claim

Yeah with each post this guy makes it becomes more clear to me why he was killed n1. I had been keeping track of some things in my head as to why he died n1 and had ideas about who would be motivated to do that, but he totally dropped the ball and got himself killed by any scum with more than 50 iq

[eth0s]

Ultimately depends on how much pressure I’m under. I wouldn’t say scum could get away with hammering that slot at that point in time though

I would only ever claim pr d1 if I felt like there was no other option

do you feel like he had no other option?

I’m not sure. I just can’t see myself in that situation, because I don’t make a habit of actively trying to get myself lynched as a PR zone the first day

Do you think that Temporal really is a cop then?

[eth0s]

I thought Phone was just joking when he claimed Cop and I didn't believe his claim. Wheme subs in for Phone and if he was the Cop, it would have made more sense if he voted Temp but he voted Cyan instead.

Right, your full of it, he didnt hard claim cop until a few posts ago, and he hasnt posted anything about the cop claim. so making assertions like that isnt really logical. Lets just ask him, why did his slot claim cop? is it valid? because his only post isnt about Lich being a cop, its about lich being a PR. because he claimed PR not cop.

He actually did hardclaim cop earlier though

[eth0s]

Also, osuka, I would have killed you in that situation every time, as you are the only one scumreading me so far.

This is WIFOM

[eth0s]

your votes manage to get 2 prs to out them selfs on day 1 and now ones dead

Where did Cyan out himself?

are you serious?

[eth0s]

It's really as if scum knew Cyan was a PR

to be fair didnt he soft pr? I have to admit I did completely miss it, but 954 heavily implies that he is a PR of some sort

that was his second time softclaiming...

[eth0s]

this is why i was so pisst off off yesterday about both prs being outed now lich may as well just be town but then again it is easy to say your cop as scum maybe the real pr is still hideing still
but i will trust for another day. regardless.

We can't trust for another day. We have to figure out if he is the real PR or not TODAY. Because if he is telling the truth then he dies tonight.

[eth0s]

I think osuka might be scum with Spangled

holy shit

[eth0s]

A no-read is not mech!scum.

what do you mean by this?

[eth0s]

and considering I was roleblocked instead of shot... well... scum are more likely to be in the people who don't think my claim is true.

nah.

[eth0s]

I do think you’re probably cop; I’ve said it a fair few times by now, I think.
But being suss of a suss player isn’t scummy, and TL you’ve been suss in half your posts. To be fair I don’t know if I’ve been much better; that’s a discussion for post-game, really, but I can see how people could have seen you as fairly scummy.

I still think you’re probably cop, though. Especially without a CC.

DO NOT CC, AND DON'T GIVE TL THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT. We need to take our time if we want any chance of winning this mess

[eth0s]

and considering I was roleblocked instead of shot... well... scum are more likely to be in the people who don't think my claim is true.

But there were two PR claims to shoot. Which they chose doesn’t really matter. But maybe they shot Cyan instead of you because you’re introducing discord into the town; they’re fine with you being ineffectual in the night and helping them during the day. That would make sense.

I think this is a very likely possibility

[eth0s]

Shooting Cyan (softed a PR) instead of me (a claimed cop) is some major blue liquid in front of me

he literally gave away his role 2 times. HIS EXACT ROLE. If you read the setup information post (2) then you would understand this

[eth0s]

Unfortunately I have no idea what you mean by that, and a doubtless clever joke is utterly wasted to me.
But VTs don’t often soft PR, so I can see why scum would consider it an actual claim.

WIFOM except weirder.

yeah, a PR soft is likely to be from a PR.

Still, it doesn't bode well that scum shoots the PR soft instead of the most overpowered role in the setup.

Maybe because you spent day 1 looking like complete scum and if you're actually cop then they can just RB you every night (if we don't lynch you first)?!?!

[eth0s]

if your cop claim is really true, that means there is a 50% chance of a mafia roleblocker

Where are you getting this number? I believe if he is telling the truth then we have to be playing A3 in which case these

IS

a mafia roleblocker.

[eth0s]

town
lich cop clime
cyan flip doc
spangled town
red null
rob scum lean
sera scum lean
me watcher
wenmester town lean
adoable townish

sorry to throse who replaced in i couldn't remember all your names yet but there is my read it took 16 days to get enough information to give a good read i dont just hand these out i study carefully and will do cases on why i find you scummy later on also pc isuse still happening but will keep playing though as much as i can looking to get a new charger soon.

it took you this long to make a reads list and you don't even give any explanations? Also what do you mean by "me watcher"?

[eth0s]

I need to provide reads as well. Surely it may help piece the town together.

Here's a lead rist.

[Town]

cyrus62

- 142 is town-AI, the fact cyrus is pretty much a thoughtstream spews him as town-aligned.
eth0s - The effort in your catchup post up to page 18 (1040), which predates my mediumclaim in 525, is something I don't see scum doing. Townlean.
Adorable - Null!townlean, can see a few towny posts in the ISO such as 375 (yeah good scumcase), 486 (good observations), and 1043 (I really like the explanations in the readlist).
Sera Masumi - Hasn't posted since

9 days 18 hours

...
osuka - 1033 is a pretty bad post. We're in A3 because Cyan flipped Doc. This seems to be indicative of osuka's low effort play.
WhemeStar - Don't see much effort here either, ISO looks scummier than osuka.

Spangled

- It's a good thing for you I got no result on you... however you still seem like scum trying to coast along.

[Scum]

I was hoping the night would give Sera time to catch up...but alas- looking for replacement for Sera Masumi

Question: why do you townlean me over Adorable?

[cyrus62]

Shooting Cyan (softed a PR) instead of me (a claimed cop) is some major blue liquid in front of me

he literally gave away his role 2 times. HIS EXACT ROLE. If you read the setup information post (2) then you would understand this

you seem to very smart i like your follow though and will most likely sheep your vote . this game is way to far over the place in a 16 day 1st day we should have been able to find all of scum and i get I'm not helping much i just felt it was super bad for us for both prs to out them selfs on d1 if you think lich isn't telling the truth am inclend to have faith in it. been having a pc issue for almost 10days now.