Starry Night [Game Over]

[unwnd]

That probably doesn't help

We should compromise somewhere but that seems impossible

[Dunnstral]

I feel like I've talked about a lot else though

[MariaR]

Literally Dunn's ISO has mostly been

A) Arguing against you and why you're scummy
B) Defending me

I don't think he's talked about anything else.

Hey look for once I agree with you for once on something.

[popsofctown]

Spoiler: Ankamius towncase

By first half do you mean first part? The way I'm reading the setup the nightkill occurs like 28% of the way through the game or something like that

I mean first half of deaths, I'm looking to town hunt in this setup

Ank makes a commitment to townhunting in the setup really early on. Townhunting is a strong way to win as town in this setup but a shaky way to try to win the setup as scum. Whichever famous dead guy said it: "you can't fool all the people all the time", and just one person has to post "I leave the dance" on your deepwolf slot for the game to collapse. Getting mislynches one at a time is still easier and safer for scum and she could have spent predance doing shade potshots that wouldn't be incongruent with her style.

1. less likely for me to be a consensus townread, which makes me far less comfortable with wanting to try to take any sort of lead in this game at any point
2. more likely for me to tilt out of the game or tilt others out of the game
3. with no fundamental staying power, I want to focus on setting town up to win without me so that my posturing is known to be town instead of having to risk getting paranoia lynched

Ankamius doesn't expect to endgame but wants to set the town up to win. There's obvious WIFOM here but she's been playing like someone who might not be here all game, all game, with virtually no LAMIST posting and lots of long term planning.

I'm really not feeling a that we're seeing a town okapoka atm

This is like page 25 or something, I don't know the math, but Ankamius correctly shaded okapoka for virtually no cred. It's town indicative to organically generate an accurate scumread and it makes little sense to tax that for buscred WIFOM the way that the game actually progressed.

I don't want to pair with Creature
I don't want to pair with Shiro
I don't want to pair with Alisae

I can be convinced on the rest

Based on what I think I know about the personalities in this playerlist I don't think scum!ank could pretend to want to dance with Creature or Shiro but I think she could dance with Ali. Maybe. Mostly both scum!Ank and town!ank pair with MariaR with high probability.

btw

I'm pretty sure I've figured out scum's strategy this game

Cool, what is it

I'll discuss it in my neighborhood

because it almost entirely precludes mariar being scum if it's true

total and complete abandonment of the LAMIST value of game related posting.

I don't really put 2591 onto anyone here

just making a point that BoP is a thing and people should probably be using it more

This is after Ank has paired MariaR so it's not a particularly survivalistic topic to bring up if scum!Ank knows MariaR's readslist is pretty bad. If MariaR is projected to make 2 hits that maybe inverts, I suppose.

I think Gamma is kinda obvtown and oka is more likely town than not

Ank didn't join the Oka scumwagon even though the town probably would have awarded her more cred than they did for her predance potshots. In reality her informal behavior towards him did far more to kill him though.

Do not end the day please

Would have been pretty easy to not post this. A spontaneous leave would have probably been pretty catastrophic informationally.

I feel like this game would already be a town stomp if the pairings weren't the way they are

This was really resonant and should have been resonant for every other townie reading it the way the pairings have turned out. Whereas it is not natural for the scumteam to post, I'm not positive how far ahead or behind the scumteam are but I suspect they are rather pleased with who is dancing with whom.

Kagami + SXTLHGaiden is almost always TvT
MariaR + me is almost always TvT
unwnd + popsofctown is almost always TvT

Golden Robster + Creature is very likely TvT, pending a check on GR that I'll do later
Firebringer +Shiro is probably TvT (Firebringer is hilariously obvtown and Shiro is still comfortably in his townrange), not really interested in sorting that until I have to

Deasvail + Cephrir <--- DeasVail is likely scum, Cephrir rarely is
Dunnstral + Bitmap <--- Bitmap is likely scum, Dunnstral rarely is

Ankamius follows through on her plan to win the game through townblocks. She is not executing a gameplan based on casing people that would give her more power to lynch slots of her choice, instead she is trying to setup the town to mix their thoughts with her input and come up with a townblock wincondition. Regardless of the accuracy (I feel a little more like Shiro knew what she needed to post for us to stop scumreading her dance1 and Ank has shifted even more in this direction today) the methodology is very town indicative to me.

and yes bitmap's last several posts were openwolfing

Not going to post every single one of these, but Ankamius has tried to kill Bitmap because she actually believes it will flip red. Sometimes I don't think I can say that about every member of the Bitmap wagon.

Btw scum!me most likely pairs with MariaR because I think she'd be one of the biggest threats to my team in this plist and it would help me control the game if I could take her out when I feel like it would help my team win

Or even better, use her hunting in the PT to pocket the rest of the game and powerwolf the game where I want it to be

I could see MariaR picking me as a partner for a similar reason since I tend to be a major wildcard as town

I don't even know if Ankamius should post this as town but she should definitely replace this with an FFXIV shitpost as scum.

Shiro having low activity is not AI

This is very true about Shiro and Ank could have just not posted it to retain more ability to pivot stances on Shiro as her activity varies throughout the game.

I maintain that Oka was trying to discredit me

The way Oka interacted with Ank dance 1 seems to clear her. It created so much interaction opportunities for Ank to say something awkward, or even if Oka was a big believer in his teammate, a chance for Oka himself to say the wrong thing. Nothing offkey actually came out of it.

Then purge all but fbshiro

This is a bit of a return to a previous topic, but Ankamius is focusing on the townhunt wincondition, and again her favorite pairing is one that does not include herself. This is town indicative. I strongly disagree on the pairing she's picking though.

I have MariaR a bit townier than null. So if I'm lynched, it won't be up to me but I heavily lean towards, make MariaR/Ankamius last pair standing

[Bitmap]

I feel like I've talked about a lot else though

It's just what stuck out considering we've had a lot of noise

Also, all the pairs who have scum are being pocketed so hard.

Except if GR is scum, cause Creature-kun is a good pokemon.

[unwnd]

Pops regardless how you feel about it please hammer BittDunn because both pairs will complain about the other until one is dead

[Dunnstral]

I am playing the game. If you want to advance, suggest a lynch that isn't my pairing

GRob

But why is he scum

[Dunnstral]

I already have ankamius as town though pops

Was anybody scumreading her

[Bitmap]

If MariaR-Ank is last pair then town is throwing.

[unwnd]

I am playing the game. If you want to advance, suggest a lynch that isn't my pairing

GRob

But why is he scum

PoE and the way the game has transpired, I'm being sorta vague but I shouldn't even be here trying to make posts

[Bitmap]

Who the hell has Ank as scum again?

[Dunnstral]

you

[popsofctown]

I already have ankamius as town though pops

Was anybody scumreading her

MariaR threatened to leave her after you flipped a couple pages ago.

But on the last two pages I see a bunch of MariaR proposing MariaR-Ank endgames.

And that dissonance is looking super nasty to me right now actually.

[Dunnstral]

I'm pretty sure MariaR has no intention to leave when we flip town

[Bitmap]

you

no i have Mariar

[Bitmap]

I already have ankamius as town though pops

Was anybody scumreading her

MariaR threatened to leave her after you flipped a couple pages ago.

But on the last two pages I see a bunch of MariaR proposing MariaR-Ank endgames.

And that dissonance is looking super nasty to me right now actually.

It's called scum being cheeky.

MariaR is cheeky.

[MariaR]

I already have ankamius as town though pops

Was anybody scumreading her

MariaR threatened to leave her after you flipped a couple pages ago.

But on the last two pages I see a bunch of MariaR proposing MariaR-Ank endgames.

And that dissonance is looking super nasty to me right now actually.

I was gonna leave but then I decided I'm not comfortable with you guys at end game. Fire Shiro also seem to townread us so I don't see a problem. Ank only scumreads me if und is scum and while I don't think they are if flipping them means Ank fully trusts me well.

[Dunnstral]

I was gonna leave

You never had any intention of leaving

[MariaR]

I was gonna leave

You never had any intention of leaving

And you have no way to prove that.

[Bitmap]

Why not just lynch Ank-MariaR and trust that Dunns will suicide if they flip T-T?

Most people trust Dunns here.

[Bitmap]

Cause the question is mostly my alignment and not Dunns?

[Firebringer]

idk why people ask other people especially ones they scumread to suicide. all ur gonna do is get town to suicide if you do succeed so ur either blatantly trying to rage a townie to senpukku or ur misguided in ur push efforts of trying to catch a player out in hypocrisy or some shit like that.

[MariaR]

Why not just lynch Ank-MariaR and trust that Dunns will suicide if they flip T-T?

Most people trust Dunns here.

The same logic can be said about Ank and suiciding if you flip TvT and I believe everyone trusts her.

[MariaR]

idk why people ask other people especially ones they scumread to suicide. all ur gonna do is get town to suicide if you do succeed so ur either blatantly trying to rage a townie to senpukku or ur misguided in ur push efforts of trying to catch a player out in hypocrisy or some shit like that.

Do you not see why whoever the town in Dunn/Bit should suicide right now?

[Bitmap]

Why not just lynch Ank-MariaR and trust that Dunns will suicide if they flip T-T?

Most people trust Dunns here.

The same logic can be said about Ank and suiciding if you flip TvT and I believe everyone trusts her.

No because you just wrote a few posts ago that you can easily soothe Ank to be pretty much pocketed by you so hell no hell no hell no.