Newbie 1943: Crosswords (Game Over)

[cyrus62]

]probably the former, with that in mind it seems it makes sense as a good scumcase, I had thought you scumread cyrus because Cyan claimed doc.

I didn't have a real reason to include that part besides being frustrated. I saw Cyan's flip in the modpost so when I came across Cyan saying Cyrus wasn't playing by his normal meta, I figured Cyan was killed for it. Then I got to the part where he outed his pr and realized literally any scum would kill him for that. Although I'm still trying to come up with a firm reason as to why they would kill him and rb you, rather than rb you and kill him. He wasn't participating much, you were flipping only any wagon that came up. Part of me thinks it makes sense for that reason, the other part of me thinks they would leave you and try to get you to vote with them.

no i can see why cyan over lich think about it cyan said he belived lich post of cop to be true meaning he outed him self as a pr doc scum would kill doc over cop so cyan couldnt save lich

[cyrus62]

and im going to vite my strongest scum read VOTE: osuka

[Spangled]

Case osuka for us please cyrus. Why are you SRing them?

[cyrus62]

becuse rob felt scummy the whole time to me ever hear of lamist

[cyrus62]

rob and osuka appear to be trying very hard to come off as town to every one do a iso on them both and your see what i mean aka look at me im so town

[eth0s]

See, eth0s, I felt pocketed because all throughout your catch-up you were pointing at me as town, even semi-complimenting me at some points...
Now I'm just weirded out; I don't really see where your read evolution on me is straight from town to scum.
You've been accusing cyrus of flip-flopping (and although I do see the case on him), you seem to be guilty of the same.
Mind showing everyone - and me - where my 'questionable posts' have been?

@eth0s

To put it bluntly, you scare me. I can't even say that I scumread you. Half of the time I feel scumlean, half of the time I feel townlean. While I felt that your actions on day one were mostly indicative of a townie taking charge and scumhunting, I began to psych myself out on the possibility of you just being a smart scum player. The aftermath of your pushes on day one were fruitful, but outed potentially 2 prs. And I need more time to determine fully if I think you did that on purpose.

I am hesitant to say that you did, because TemporalLich was being so flaky that he really brought it upon himself. And Cyan was kinda the same, but in a different manner. Temporal was reckless and couldn't stick to a wagon, Cyan was too quiet and passive the majority of the time. I don't think you expected to get a PR claim from Temporal, but I think you might've on Cyan. And honestly I originally thought maybe Sera is who I should be worried about rather than you, but ultimately her lack of activity, and your constant guiding town discussion made me stick with you as my choice. I just don't see scum!sera coming in, putting in all that effort, and bouncing.

So really it's not that I want you lynched because I suspect you're scum, although part of me thinks maybe you are, but that I want you gone because I'm not sure I will ever be able to shake my suspicions on you. Note that you are 4th in priority for me, and if Cyrus or Temporal flipped scum, I don't think I would worry about you anymore.

Also I don't think that our reads align very well anymore, which makes me believe that going to MyLo or LyLo with you would just make this harder. But I think your reads would likely change with a scumflip, as mine would. You also have a lot of interaction with everyone that I would be

very

interested in revisiting after your flip. So that's the gist of it. I would still much rather see Cyrus go, as I would say there's about a 75% chance he is scum. And I still want to hear more from Osuka, but Robb's play really struck me the wrong way after reading his ISO again. I know the town won't lynch Temporal today, although I am still not convinced that it is a bad move. I just can't let go of how scummy he was in day one, and the fact that even if he is a cop, he is essentially a VT against a roleblocker, and dead immediately if the roleblocker gets lynched.

[Spangled]

I disagree wholeheartedly as to Robb, but you do need to look at people's replacements in case your initial reads are wrong.
Hm. I'll look back at osuka.

[Spangled]

I disagree wholeheartedly as to Robb, but you do need to look at people's replacements in case your initial reads are wrong.
Hm. I'll look back at osuka.

This post was at cyrus.

[eth0s]

]probably the former, with that in mind it seems it makes sense as a good scumcase, I had thought you scumread cyrus because Cyan claimed doc.

I didn't have a real reason to include that part besides being frustrated. I saw Cyan's flip in the modpost so when I came across Cyan saying Cyrus wasn't playing by his normal meta, I figured Cyan was killed for it. Then I got to the part where he outed his pr and realized literally any scum would kill him for that. Although I'm still trying to come up with a firm reason as to why they would kill him and rb you, rather than rb you and kill him. He wasn't participating much, you were flipping only any wagon that came up. Part of me thinks it makes sense for that reason, the other part of me thinks they would leave you and try to get you to vote with them.

no i can see why cyan over lich think about it cyan said he belived lich post of cop to be true meaning he outed him self as a pr doc scum would kill doc over cop so cyan couldnt save lich

You know they could have just roleblocked the doctor and killed Temporal though, no? And assuming temporal is cop, he will likely be roleblocked every night now until he dies. It would have been the same situation if they killed Temporal and blocked Cyan every night.

However, it does seem more likely that Cyan was telling the truth than Temporal. Not because we can see the flip but because Cyan was the second to claim (which would be SUPER ballsy for a fake claim) and he even kinda called out that there was probably a mafia roleblocker.

Cyrus, I still want to know why you said you wouldn't vote for Cyan (who had already softclaimed) and then very shortly after, changed you mind and voted him.

[cyrus62]

I disagree wholeheartedly as to Robb, but you do need to look at people's replacements in case your initial reads are wrong.
Hm. I'll look back at osuka.

This post was at cyrus.

that's the point of lamist is to fool every one in to thinking they are town i get scum bumps where i can as to not see me coming off as to townish but rather you agree with my read or not my vote wont change .

[eth0s]

I would also like to go on record saying that I'm going to need Whemestar and Adorable to start making more posts with some sort of substance or goal in mind. You two are starting to weird me out the the low effort on wheme and low content on Adorable.

[Spangled]

See, eth0s, I felt pocketed because all throughout your catch-up you were pointing at me as town, even semi-complimenting me at some points...
Now I'm just weirded out; I don't really see where your read evolution on me is straight from town to scum.
You've been accusing cyrus of flip-flopping (and although I do see the case on him), you seem to be guilty of the same.
Mind showing everyone - and me - where my 'questionable posts' have been?

@eth0s

To put it bluntly, you scare me. I can't even say that I scumread you. Half of the time I feel scumlean, half of the time I feel townlean. While I felt that your actions on day one were mostly indicative of a townie taking charge and scumhunting, I began to psych myself out on the possibility of you just being a smart scum player. The aftermath of your pushes on day one were fruitful, but outed potentially 2 prs. And I need more time to determine fully if I think you did that on purpose.

I am hesitant to say that you did, because TemporalLich was being so flaky that he really brought it upon himself. And Cyan was kinda the same, but in a different manner. Temporal was reckless and couldn't stick to a wagon, Cyan was too quiet and passive the majority of the time. I don't think you expected to get a PR claim from Temporal, but I think you might've on Cyan. And honestly I originally thought maybe Sera is who I should be worried about rather than you, but ultimately her lack of activity, and your constant guiding town discussion made me stick with you as my choice. I just don't see scum!sera coming in, putting in all that effort, and bouncing.

So really it's not that I want you lynched because I suspect you're scum, although part of me thinks maybe you are, but that I want you gone because I'm not sure I will ever be able to shake my suspicions on you. Note that you are 4th in priority for me, and if Cyrus or Temporal flipped scum, I don't think I would worry about you anymore.

Also I don't think that our reads align very well anymore, which makes me believe that going to MyLo or LyLo with you would just make this harder. But I think your reads would likely change with a scumflip, as mine would. You also have a lot of interaction with everyone that I would be

very

interested in revisiting after your flip. So that's the gist of it. I would still much rather see Cyrus go, as I would say there's about a 75% chance he is scum. And I still want to hear more from Osuka, but Robb's play really struck me the wrong way after reading his ISO again. I know the town won't lynch Temporal today, although I am still not convinced that it is a bad move. I just can't let go of how scummy he was in day one, and the fact that even if he is a cop, he is essentially a VT against a roleblocker, and dead immediately if the roleblocker gets lynched.

I'll say this now, and it might come off as AtE. I'll try my hardest to keep that out of here.
But I personally believe (now that this game has progressed) I'm not very good at town; you say that I've led discussion but so far I haven't actually led it anywhere in particular. I'm terrible at making reads and following up on them.
And in going for TL's claim I think I was subconsciously trying to follow "the rules" as a first-time-townie.

Alright, semi-AtE over.
eth0s, you feel really town to me after that post; I have felt that feeling ('To put it bluntly, you scare me') on others some times.

[Spangled]

I disagree wholeheartedly as to Robb, but you do need to look at people's replacements in case your initial reads are wrong.
Hm. I'll look back at osuka.

This post was at cyrus.

that's the point of lamist is to fool every one in to thinking they are town i get scum bumps where i can as to not see me coming off as to townish but rather you agree with my read or not my vote wont change .

Are you threatening me with your vote, or am I reading that wrong?

[cyrus62]

]probably the former, with that in mind it seems it makes sense as a good scumcase, I had thought you scumread cyrus because Cyan claimed doc.

I didn't have a real reason to include that part besides being frustrated. I saw Cyan's flip in the modpost so when I came across Cyan saying Cyrus wasn't playing by his normal meta, I figured Cyan was killed for it. Then I got to the part where he outed his pr and realized literally any scum would kill him for that. Although I'm still trying to come up with a firm reason as to why they would kill him and rb you, rather than rb you and kill him. He wasn't participating much, you were flipping only any wagon that came up. Part of me thinks it makes sense for that reason, the other part of me thinks they would leave you and try to get you to vote with them.

no i can see why cyan over lich think about it cyan said he belived lich post of cop to be true meaning he outed him self as a pr doc scum would kill doc over cop so cyan couldnt save lich

You know they could have just roleblocked the doctor and killed Temporal though, no? And assuming temporal is cop, he will likely be roleblocked every night now until he dies. It would have been the same situation if they killed Temporal and blocked Cyan every night.

However, it does seem more likely that Cyan was telling the truth than Temporal. Not because we can see the flip but because Cyan was the second to claim (which would be SUPER ballsy for a fake claim) and he even kinda called out that there was probably a mafia roleblocker.

Cyrus, I still want to know why you said you wouldn't vote for Cyan (who had already softclaimed) and then very shortly after, changed you mind and voted him.

i felt forced to vote the way sapngled said i felt i was aiming for a no lynch complead me to vote if you read what i said ,i said i did not want to vote him even when i did and after i seen his soft i unvoted preventing scum from lynching him.

[cyrus62]

I disagree wholeheartedly as to Robb, but you do need to look at people's replacements in case your initial reads are wrong.
Hm. I'll look back at osuka.

This post was at cyrus.

that's the point of lamist is to fool every one in to thinking they are town i get scum bumps where i can as to not see me coming off as to townish but rather you agree with my read or not my vote wont change .

Are you threatening me with your vote, or am I reading that wrong?

what how in any way did i threaten you i said it wont change my vote

[eth0s]

@Spangled

I felt as though you were putting pressure on people day one, and even got people to claim. Sort of broke up or mediated the fight between Robb and Temporal. This is what I mean by guiding discussion. In a normal game there would be more people doing that, and less lurking and being replaced. But since this is not a normal game, you are the closest thing I have identified to a town leader. Like I said though, Sera was pretty much neck and neck with you for that title, but she left out of nowhere. And now I have much less info on the slot than I want.

[Adorable]

I would also like to go on record saying that I'm going to need Whemestar and Adorable to start making more posts with some sort of substance or goal in mind. You two are starting to weird me out the the low effort on wheme and low content on Adorable.

I've voted one of my suspects but I feel as if I'm getting ignored.

[eth0s]

i felt forced to vote the way sapngled said i felt i was aiming for a no lynch complead me to vote if you read what i said ,i said i did not want to vote him even when i did and after i seen his soft i unvoted preventing scum from lynching him.

Hmm. I see now. I think you identified the soft later than I originally thought you did. But your response begs the question, why do you feel compelled to vote the way spangled does? And why did you change your mind about him being scum earlier? You went from saying that he and Sera were rolefishing, to saying that he wasn't rolefishing and maybe Sera wasn't either. And you made that change without any explanation as far as I can tell.

[cyrus62]

I would also like to go on record saying that I'm going to need Whemestar and Adorable to start making more posts with some sort of substance or goal in mind. You two are starting to weird me out the the low effort on wheme and low content on Adorable.

I've voted one of my suspects but I feel as if I'm getting ignored.

it happens but you can be my little ace in the hole i know your town by the way your reads are and i can sheep a few people and go off thire reads tl reads seem to say the same and if i can narrow down who is own and not i can fine scum easyer.

[eth0s]

I would also like to go on record saying that I'm going to need Whemestar and Adorable to start making more posts with some sort of substance or goal in mind. You two are starting to weird me out the the low effort on wheme and low content on Adorable.

I've voted one of my suspects but I feel as if I'm getting ignored.

Tbh I didn't say anything about your vote because I was kind of annoyed at the response people had over my posts. But yeah, I can't back a wheme wagon today. At least not yet. He hasn't posted enough content yet. I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for a little bit in case he is still catching up or whatever. I don't know how long I will feel this way, though.

[Spangled]

I disagree wholeheartedly as to Robb, but you do need to look at people's replacements in case your initial reads are wrong.
Hm. I'll look back at osuka.

This post was at cyrus.

that's the point of lamist is to fool every one in to thinking they are town i get scum bumps where i can as to not see me coming off as to townish but rather you agree with my read or not my vote wont change .

Are you threatening me with your vote, or am I reading that wrong?

what how in any way did i threaten you i said it wont change my vote

Ah, sorry, I see what you meant now.

[eth0s]

i wanted to get you to realize ev ery thing i am doing isnt scummy

but in town play like you

i am trying this is only my 2nd game ok. i have neverd playd on tos or any scum sight or foum sights so i am doing the best i can and now i am doing the best i can to

prove that i am town like you and temp

so get off my back and i'll get off yours and maybe we can hunt scum together sound fair.

Wait did you just admit that Sera is playing like town and you're only voting her because she is suspicious of you? That's a BIG red flag.

I still want to know what people think of this. No one has acknowledged it yet.

[Adorable]

I would also like to go on record saying that I'm going to need Whemestar and Adorable to start making more posts with some sort of substance or goal in mind. You two are starting to weird me out the the low effort on wheme and low content on Adorable.

I've voted one of my suspects but I feel as if I'm getting ignored.

it happens but you can be my little ace in the hole i know your town by the way your reads are and i can sheep a few people and go off thire reads tl reads seem to say the same and if i can narrow down who is own and not i can fine scum easyer.

I have made cases on players who I think are scum and who I think are town and I guess players are ignoring me because they are town reading me and they would rather focus on their scum read.

[Spangled]

i wanted to get you to realize ev ery thing i am doing isnt scummy

but in town play like you

i am trying this is only my 2nd game ok. i have neverd playd on tos or any scum sight or foum sights so i am doing the best i can and now i am doing the best i can to

prove that i am town like you and temp

so get off my back and i'll get off yours and maybe we can hunt scum together sound fair.

Wait did you just admit that Sera is playing like town and you're only voting her because she is suspicious of you? That's a BIG red flag.

I still want to know what people think of this. No one has acknowledged it yet.

Thing is, I feel like cyrus has been spewing town by throwing his thought process all over the place.
Just because he isn't very good at town (which is what honest OMGUSing generally indicates) doesn't mean he's scum.

[cyrus62]

i felt forced to vote the way sapngled said i felt i was aiming for a no lynch complead me to vote if you read what i said ,i said i did not want to vote him even when i did and after i seen his soft i unvoted preventing scum from lynching him.

Hmm. I see now. I think you identified the soft later than I originally thought you did. But your response begs the question, why do you feel compelled to vote the way spangled does? And why did you change your mind about him being scum earlier? You went from saying that he and Sera were rolefishing, to saying that he wasn't rolefishing and maybe Sera wasn't either. And you made that change without any explanation as far as I can tell.

after re reading tl and the way they acted i felt maybe tl was begging to be put to l1 just so they could out them self's . but also felt they could have just said i am tv and maybe advoided the lynch by defending them self's easier better so maybe it wasn't spangleds fault for what tl did and as i said i prefer sera over cyan but didn't want a no lynch and seeing how we were down to 12 hours i had to sheep some one. and the only reason i scum read them is the fire power they did and then fizzed out.