Newbie 1944 Mafia PT

[eth0s]

Maybe I should have read the mafia pt first to get an idea of what you were going for. However I think it's easier for me to not slip if I truly don't know your guys plan until after I'm caught up. I'm not sure tho about holden PR. I would think emps or cheeto over him. But then Stoney also kinda softclaimed PR so that was really weird too

[Fugitive]

I'm already voting emps... you hopped on just behind me. lol

[Fugitive]

That said, most people don't expect scum to constantly be voting the same, and could be used as a tool to distance us later if need be

[Fugitive]

I'm not getting a PR read on holden at all, pretty sure that was all insom. I'm getting PR vibes from emps. You think stoney really softclaimed PR? He just seems emotional and frustrated to me.

[eth0s]

Maybe I misinterpreted his message. I can now see how maybe he was asking if it was against the rules to fakeclaim as VT lol. And my bad. I should have checked the votecount more carefully. I was so excited to be done catching up that I just got my vote out as quickly as possible. Hit fakehammer just made me that much more excited haha

[Fugitive]

Yikes, Holden basically just caught you. I was worried you were too focused on me. And your pressure on me isn't aligning with your townread on me. He's just a newbie so I think you can explain it off, but be careful. You can probably explain it off as him reaching for scumtells since you heavily SRed him first.

[Fugitive]

Just make sure to keep your attention spread around. And start grilling emps with the same intensity you were grilling me.

[eth0s]

in my defense he was only talking about my already admitted tinfoil theory, and I brought that up before I even saw emps fakehammer. Now we also have stoney looking scummy as fuck. I think it'll be fine. But you're right. I may have went in on you too hard.

[eth0s]

if you have any more suggestions on how to take off some of the heat I stupidly put on myself, please lemme know lol. I will be more careful moving forward. I still think I'm fine though. I want to keep Holden thinking that Stoney is my scummate. Also I think Stoney's VT claim is 100% legit therefore I have no interest in NKing him tonight if he doesn't get lynched

[Fugitive]

I think we can glaze over it enough that the other players won't really pick up on it when they get back. I especially don't want Cheeto or Datisi to take notice of it, but we're moving the gameplay beyond it to the point where it doesn't need to get noticed/talked about. emps seems to have not picked up on it and Stoney won't care one bit about anything not totally relevant to himself.

Next time you can be moderately active I really think you need to grill someone else (preferably your top SR) with the same intensity that you went after me. As long as your hyper-focus on me for one page isn't an anomaly in your gameplay, it can be easily written off. If not that's gonna be really awkward to explain off if one of us flips.

[eth0s]

that's a really good point actually. I'm gonna come at someone with some heat tomorrow.

Also a couple things, just in case something crazy happens while I'm gone.

I'm starting to second guess emps being PR. His reason for active lurking said it had to do with another game and I honestly think he would be more worried about this one if he is a pr. I need to skim his iso from his JK game to be sure tho.

I didn't initially think that Holden was PR because he isn't playing typical PR behavior but if he's as new as he claims he might just not know any better.

I don't think cheetory is PR either because he has been quite active but I would probably put him 2nd likely. I see him playing by typical meta more than anyone else in the game based on what he has said.

I pretty much 99% take Stoney's claim at face value.

NAS and his replacement (whatever her name is) is actually my top pr suspect so far just from how she claims to have read everything but still showing low activity. The guy on the slot before her is a complete nullread for us so I think that's possibly a safe assumption.

I want to continue to look like I could be scummates with Stoney. And if shit gets bad for me today I want you to hammer me and NK cheetory. He is the most likely to draw the lines between out scumteam when one of us flips. If he dies then try to convince town that Stoney was my partner. I really don't see myself getting lynched today but better to give you my piece on it just in case.

Also as it currently stands I think NAS' replacement is probably the best NK tonight. Especially if we lynch someone relatively fastish before she gets any associates

[Fugitive]

Datisi's reads are definitely good for us, but I agree with your assessment that she's likely a PR. I'm not convinced emps isn't a PR still though, he's been on and off L-1 and he's not exactly volunteered a claim. He's hesitating to claim unless he has too. Also, check out my tinfoil theory. emps' very first post:

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He loves memeing, apparently fakehammering, and lolhammering given how much he talked about it. Wouldn't be surprised if he's the kind of person who thinks it's a great idea to hide a PR breadcrumb in their first post because it's "proof" for later on of it's veracity. And if he's a doc then we have a tracker/doc setup.

[Fugitive]

Honestly, probably not gonna hammer you if shit hits the fan either. I think people expect scum buddies to bus in the end. If I go down fighting that you're town and you flip scum, people are gonna WIFOM it enough that it'll seem like I'm town bc why would I defend a buddy so hard to the death. We can reevaluate if that happens, but as of now, I plan to not bus even a little.

I still woudn't mind a a cheeto kill either. I think enough susp is on him that he won't be a protection target.

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Do you think I could get away with quickhammering Stoney based on my overwhelming towncred? It would be a good excuse for me not being NKed, but I still think I could avoid a lynch tomorrow.

[eth0s]

Sorry I forgot to be checking this thread... I'm thinking about doing the quickhammer. Apparently cheetory thinks I slipped although I don't think I did...

[eth0s]

I can't do the quickhammer. Cheetory unvoted. FML. I still don't see how he calls that a scumclaim from me but if I'm missing something and it really is one then I'm boned. You have to bus me if so. Not even a hammer necessarily but you should hop on my wagon quickly. It could be worse though, I almost attemped to hammer stoney without remembering cheetory unvoted him. I'm sorry if I fucked this up. I really expected a different response from cheetory this game..

[Fugitive]

Deep breaths, we're fine. Cheeto was joking/testing. Not gonna sugar coat it, you didn't pass the test with flying colors, but you have literally zero votes on you and you can recover from this. Cheeto doesn't have his heart in this game, he ignored Holden's point about your focus on me, and he's fucking up his quotes and stuff a lot and beating himself up. You can definitely outwit him.

You're town. Keep in mind you're town. If someone accuses you of slipping, it's either a joke, or they're an idiot. Don't get ultra defensive. Don't panic. If it's a joke, either ignore it or joke back. If they're serious, answer them in a tone that sounds calm, collected, and annoyed. You are town and anyone who suggests otherwise is crazy. Convince yourself you're town.

I'm not going to bus you yet because I feel like this is fully recoverable, but you need to tone down the ultra defensiveness. DON'T stop scumhunting. Keep scumhunting enough and I'll point out eventually that you're doing it and it will be a HUGE towntell because scum get so caught up in their defense that they fail to continue to hunt by accident. Just kinda "forget" that you even had accusations and act like nothing happened. If you continue to act like calm, collected town, people will eventually just tend to believe that's the true gamestate.

Still do that thing today where you're going to deeply interrogate someone. On the off chance something does hit the fan, I need a little distance from you and I still think the best way for that is for you to treat someone today the way you treated me yesterday. Throw a bunch of their ISO at them, come up with a tinfoil hat theory, and at least several questions--then pick apart all of their answers.

Don't worry, we got this.

[eth0s]

Yeah man I was so exhausted last night physically and mentally I couldn't even tell jokes apart from serious accusations. And i was also forgetting what I had said posts prior and what angles I was working. I will make sure not to play when I'm that drained anymore to avoid that..

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Your reads are kind of getting inconsistent and fabricated. (I'm probably biased in noticing this bc I know you're scum, but Holden has caught on and I think he found and pointed out several legitimate scumtells.) I'm not really sure what advice to give you other than be careful and try not to contradict yourself anymore. ISO yourself if you need to. Holden is a lost cause, he's gonna SR you til game end right now I think. emps and Cheeto are pinged, and I'm surprised they're not making a bigger deal out of it, but if it continues they'll catch on too.

You're flip flopping a lot and changing stances on a dime. They're being a little harsh on the reasoning, I don't feel like you're giving less reasoning than anyone else, but I'm not really sure how to make them understand that without obviously buddying you.

Try to stay firmer in your reads. Double down on your scum reads and try to be more careful about changing reads too quickly. If you wanna flip reads on someone, do it gradually and point to every post along the way that's a reason.

[Fugitive]

Oh man, I almost slipped so bad and fortunately caught myself in a preview.

Datisi and I were talking about the stoney lynch and if he flips green--but I almost wrote a couple lines about how if he's the lynch target I bet there will be one scum on and one scum off his wagon (like clearly knowing he'll flip green). Deleted the whole thing and I'm gonna take a step back today. I didn't sleep well and I'm not confident in my posting today. Might contribute just by asking a bunch of questions but I don't trust my analyses right now.

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My post that just linked emps/datisi as s/s was a stroke of genius. I'm really proud of how that turned out. I almost convinced myself they were scumbuddies.

[eth0s]

Yeah I do need to ISO myself, I've been lazy. But most of what people can try to use against me is from my catchup anyway and I should be easily able to defend myself from that. I still want to avoid a lynch on stoney because the longer he is in the game, the longer cheetory and holden with think he's my scummate if i get lynched. I don't mind if you vote stoney but I won't because I want to keep up the illusion that scum!th0s is partnered with him

[eth0s]

is it bad that I really want to lolhammer emps even though there's a pretty good chance it would get me lynched tomorrow? like honestly playing scum is a headache and rereading this game just to backup my current reads right now sounds really fucking tedious and I don't know if i'll do it. Plus if you NK datisi tonight then holden and cheetory will light me up so quickly tomorrow that you could help make it a fast day then you can shoot holden/cheetory and the other one will probably vote stoney with you.

[eth0s]

Honestly I think me flipping tomorrow would give us the best chance at winning. Plus if I lolhammer I can get as lazy as I want and just post more inconsistent and confusing things that will make my associations even harder to read

[eth0s]

esp i would never think that someone with intent to hammer (you) would have their scumbuddy come in and drop a lolhammer. it gives you perfect setup to bus me, esp if i do it before emps claims/defends