Mini 2084: Pokemon Ruby Mafia - Game Over

[Skygazer]

Votecount 3.07

Chemist1422 (2) -

Detective Pikachu, Espresso Patronum

Gamma Emerald (2) -

Menalque, Elements

Pine (2) -

RedPanda, Creature

Red Panda (1) -

Pine

Not Voting (2) -

Gamma Emerald, Chemist1422

With 9 players alive it takes 5 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 2 is in (expired on 2019-08-02 18:00:00).

[Gamma Emerald]

idk about you tbh

But I know Pine looks bad here

VOTE: Pine

Am I going to actually have to demonstrate to you how Pine's ISO isn't a scum!Pine ISO?

[Creature]

Try to.

[Gamma Emerald]

Now in general I think his play is too loud for scum!Pine but I'll give a good example here: his behavior around DP today.

1017 - Okay, I'm going to level with you all. When I got to this post, DP's declaration of being inducted into the Hood, I had a mini-epiphany, and thought HOLY SHIT THIS COULD BE FAKE. Practically everyone had posted, no one else had claimed the hood, and the action failing is entirely possible if Tim/RC targeted scum. It'd be free clearance. Hell, I did something similar in DC Universe Mafia back in the day, where I waited to be the last player to post D1 and fakeclaimed Miller in my post 1. It worked flawlessly. So I grabbed a pad and started scribbling, crossing off names. When DP posted, only Chemist, Klick, ofrhz, and DP himself hadn't posted at least once. With at least one of those likely scum, it's not an *insane* risk, but still improbable, especially with the level of detail in the alleged Hood conversation. So never mind, he's probably telling the truth. Thought I had something there for a sec

Like why does he vocalize the concern about the fake loyal neighborize? It's asking to get called out

No. That’s what I was checking for. Several people hadn’t posted, and there’s a good chance the theoretical other neighbor wouldn’t have claimed yet. Scum!DP would have been taking an enormous unnecessary risk.

Which is what I did that caused this to be posted. On top of that scum would have discussed things where Pine would have probably been able to see this has already been discussed, and there's no reason to bring it back up if you know that. In addition:

Non-presence? Really? Mr I've done dick with my IC status?

Why provoke a confirmed town liked this? One of my beliefs is that mafia will attempt to discredit confirmed town, but this isn't discrediting, it's a call out. So like he's just too brazen here to be scum. Fyi this isn't a "scum wouldn't do this" case, it's a "scum!Pine wouldn't do this" case

[RedPanda]

Gamma why don't you read me too from my iso?

[Gamma Emerald]

Because I'd like to finish Ep before starting anyone new

[RedPanda]

I was put at L-1 today. I think you could glean a lot of info on my wagon if you townread me.

[Detective Pikachu]

I'm going V/LA for the rest of this R/L week

Creature - town
Mena - lean town
Gamma - honestly kinda leaning town now
RedPanda -- null/scm
EP -- no idea
Chemist -- amusing but still scummy
Elements - town
Pine -- slightly leaning town but plausibly wrong here

[Chemist1422]

I'm going V/LA for the rest of this R/L week

Creature - town
Mena - lean town
Gamma - honestly kinda leaning town now
RedPanda -- null/scm
EP -- no idea
Chemist -- amusing but still scummy
Elements - town
Pine -- slightly leaning town but plausibly wrong here

Yay I’m amusing c:

What’s your confidence order on Gamma/Menal/Pine?

[Detective Pikachu]

Pine is closest to null, Mena I saw one post that I think very infrequently comes from scum but it's not a sure thing, Gamma has seemed really townie in tone lately but the early game issues aren't totally gone

[Creature]

Wished we had an actual plurality lynch.

It's so bullshit when you get to vote someone and that someone will just react like "lol you suck" because they're likely far from L-1 and definitely not at immediate danger of being lynched.

[Pine]

Wished we could lynch the two people we (mostly) all agree are scum.

Seriously - does ANYONE have a Townread on Chemist? Red Panda? Anyone? Bueller?

[Menalque]

I have a TR on RP

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm still doing my Ep read through but I do have a question for Menalque: my predecessor Cinnamon used the term "right now" a lot. Now you claim a lot of experience with Cinnamon, so I want you to take a page out of the scumhunting book of a player called Ellibereth: which alignment does Cinnamon use it more as?

[Gamma Emerald]

And btw that's something you should take seriously because reading through EP gives me a chance to look over some of your stuff and I'm kinda coming to a scumread on you

[Menalque]

I’ve only played with town!cinn and I’ve never seen him use it the way he was using it here

So it’s a big enough shift from what I know of him for me to think it’s weird

I think his reactions to being scummed are more indicative re: your slot but in conjunction with that it pings me more

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay, fair

[Gamma Emerald]

About to sign off for the night but before I do I want to let you know I'm done reading through EP and he is solidly town
I know some people asked for explanation so I'll talk about my meta on him and if more is requested I'll post a more comprehensive analysis of him in this game
I reviewed him in two games (Newbie 1936 and the Pastries micro Normal) and I determined he has rather non-convoluted posts which show nuanced and insightful thinking as town

[EspressoPatronum]

I was put at L-1 today. I think you could glean a lot of info on my wagon if you townread me.

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Seriously - does ANYONE have a Townread on Chemist? Red Panda?
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The speed of RP's wagon forming makes me think at least 1 scum would have been involved. Seeing Chemist flip would help sort that, in addition to the other benefits of a Chemist lynch (lylo liability, bandwagoning, ellitell)

I don't see scum bussing so early in the day. If Chemist flips scum, RP is likely town.

[Pine]

I was put at L-1 today. I think you could glean a lot of info on my wagon if you townread me.

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Seriously - does ANYONE have a Townread on Chemist? Red Panda?
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The speed of RP's wagon forming makes me think at least 1 scum would have been involved. Seeing Chemist flip would help sort that, in addition to the other benefits of a Chemist lynch (lylo liability, bandwagoning, ellitell)

I don't see scum bussing so early in the day. If Chemist flips scum, RP is likely town.

Whoa hold up. Your assertion is blatantly bullshit. It discounts the possibility of a planned bus, which is nonsense.

VOTE: EspressoPatronum

I think I want to see this flip. All due respect to GEmerald, I’ve heard one too many things I can’t justify from an honest Town perspective

[EspressoPatronum]

I was put at L-1 today. I think you could glean a lot of info on my wagon if you townread me.

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Seriously - does ANYONE have a Townread on Chemist? Red Panda?
...

The speed of RP's wagon forming makes me think at least 1 scum would have been involved. Seeing Chemist flip would help sort that, in addition to the other benefits of a Chemist lynch (lylo liability, bandwagoning, ellitell)

I don't see scum bussing so early in the day. If Chemist flips scum, RP is likely town.

Whoa hold up. Your assertion is blatantly bullshit. It discounts the possibility of a planned bus, which is nonsense.

VOTE: EspressoPatronum

I think I want to see this flip. All due respect to GEmerald, I’ve heard one too many things I can’t justify from an honest Town perspective

So you're telling me scum planned to bus RP and leave him at a hammer for almost an hour? Assuming what you're saying is true, that means both scum were on the wagon... that leaves scum!RP vulnerable to the whims of every other town.

That's an incredibly risky plan for very little reward. Your call-out doesn't make sense.

[RedPanda]

unvote vote chemist

[EspressoPatronum]

unvote vote chemist

Is this an unvote or a vote for Chemist?

[RedPanda]

vote for chemist

[Skygazer]

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