Project ARCH - Epilogue

[CloudKicker]

It's not hard to see this as scumplaining

I think you have a decent chance of being scum and nothing has given me a reason to reconsider and I wouldn't be as happy lynching the other lynch targets at the moment

You can say RC RC RC but it doesn't matter.

I thought you were town in the dance game and I don't get that feeling here. I'm not too confident but this isn't bad for a day 1 lynch, that's the kind of reasoning I'm going with

Can you link, also what is different from his game then and this one?

[CloudKicker]

The only time I ever “fliped” as t was because your hard lead on my love who I did TR and i was leading on scum, @ d1

Who is this at

Its even more funny because i realized that game im talking about is the prequel of this one and it was addressed to rc

[Primate]

Chemist's really annoying.

Not a fan of unwnd responding to RC by questioning the fact that other people think he's town? I'm not going to make a case about it or anything but I wonder about the tone of the defense there focusing on other posters, as it's a plausible scum mindset to think "There's all these lurkers why am i being run up". I think it's fine for him to be pissed off and the frustration seems genuine. I also think unwnds point about gamma is fairly legit, and disagree with CC that it's not a contradiction. I think it's pretty bizarre that RC is making big group ties like that if he's being sincere but I don't think he is entirely. I literally don't get a cloudkicker scumread at all.

Gamma still scummy but haven't had time to read YGM which i wanted to as it keeps being referenced.

BambiJay I figure I'm probably wrong about being scummy. If you're actually copping to active lurking then it's a lot more reasonable.

[RedPanda]

Spoiler: gamma posts that pinged me

You ever gonna post that Link of the game where I was scum and played with you or whatever words you used

Why can't you find it yourself I posted the name/number

What do you think about Unwnd?

Idk

I guarantee that is not an actual posting restriction and it's just Maria being cheeky

don't know why they entered with this

*extends arms outward in front of them, palms open and face up*
*raises left hand, lowers right hand*
*raises right hand, lowers left hand*

To the left, take it back now y'all
One hop this time, right foot let's stomp
Left foot let's stomp, cha cha real smooth

This and the last post both were responses to CHK, don't know the meaning of it though

Mechanics talk is probably annoyingly necessary, but I also find most people who have talked about to be null. I think it matters more what you do with the knowledge of mechanics rather than just uh, talking about them

this is a decent take

I mean, at the very least can you not make it a quote pyramid at the same time? Please?
Also, why did that vote happen CloudKicker. I can't tell why you made the vote from your previous posts or context.

I know you are trying to distance yourself from me when I openchainsawed your slot

lol this is such useless jargon i feel like it's made from a scum who is trying to play off as an informative townie

VOTE: CloudKicker

I don't really see how this is "confusing jargon"

We should start running up some players that have brought only lame discussions so far.

1. Fred the Cat

a lot of people made posts like this but this one feels flatter than some others

I mean, at the very least can you not make it a quote pyramid at the same time? Please?
Also, why did that vote happen CloudKicker. I can't tell why you made the vote from your previous posts or context.

I know you are trying to distance yourself from me when I openchainsawed your slot

lol this is such useless jargon i feel like it's made from a scum who is trying to play off as an informative townie

VOTE: CloudKicker

lol why me

Your sentence made no sense, but like actually

What did you mean by him openchainsawing your slot? That's not even a proper term

It's a mafia shorthand portmanteau, what's so odd about it?

It's gonna be hard to determine which of CloudKicker/Fred is being stupid and the other is just scum

This isn't just a false dichotomy, it's non existent as no one else was looking at these two like this. Also regardless of this dichotomy making no sense:

i like cloud i dont think hes even being dumb or like unreasonably scummy just hard to understand

I just get the feeling he doesn't believe in half of the things he says

Whether or not this is just lolhumor or intentional is yet to be determined

This makes me think it makes more sense for unwnd to assume Cloudy is scum, which makes the last thing I quoted make less sense.

i like cloud i dont think hes even being dumb or like unreasonably scummy just hard to understand

I just get the feeling he doesn't believe in half of the things he says

Whether or not this is just lolhumor or intentional is yet to be determined

Can you please make a case about the post you dislike, what doesnt sound genuine etc. I already explained the post you didn’t understand, I am assuming you fos me for other posts.

I think you're weird and I don't get your humor but others don't think it's scummy

You explained what you meant but why does him openchainsawing and distancing (your words) mean. As in, the person you said you were doing those things. Are they scum?

I'll talk about this below.

i like cloud i dont think hes even being dumb or like unreasonably scummy just hard to understand

I just get the feeling he doesn't believe in half of the things he says

Whether or not this is just lolhumor or intentional is yet to be determined

Can you please make a case about the post you dislike, what doesnt sound genuine etc. I already explained the post you didn’t understand, I am assuming you fos me for other posts.

I think you're weird and I don't get your humor but others don't think it's scummy

You explained what you meant but why does him openchainsawing and distancing (your words) mean. As in, the person you said you were doing those things. Are they scum?

I was only calling green gear mefia if I was mefia so you can imagine it wasn’t shading and only banter, so no that post had no genuine reads behind it.

You don’t know what distancing means?
A good amount of mefia games are partly solved via associatives between slot aka how mefia tends to interact because they share their hidden win condition. So a lot of mefia will go out of their way to make posts with the sole purpose to make good interactions with their other mefia members, so when people ISO either slot once thwy are flipped mefia, it will not be obvious who the others mefias are.
Is that better? I implied that it was what green gear was doing with me, implying we were both mefia

No, no

I'm asking you why you said those things about Rautherdir in 154. Like what does it mean in terms of how you read him

at this point it is very clear 154 was a joke anyway. And unwnd weebs to get this so it's very strange he's still taking it seriously?

Vifam I don't know why you didn't proceed to vote Gamma when I said I'd hop on with you

This is a sure sign unwnd isn't taking people's votes closely

My issue with you right now is that even if you feel validated in defending yourself, I dunno why you would bother. If RC is the type of person that will push you regardless of alignment (going by what you told me) then I don't know what you gain entertaining him. Another thing I'm not the biggest fan of is your snapback to Sakura and insisting you're town, which I find tilted scum tend to do. I'd rather see you try to solve your attackers instead of getting petty

I wanted to hammer out whether I was wrong about the meta because I have been boneheadedly mistaken about past game details, as Katyusha can attest to, so I wanted to get the facts straight before I really concluded how I felt about RC's actions.

I think RC is pretty solvable and I don't know why he needs excuses to refuse to interact with him

Not even close to CloudKicker

A lot of unwnd's posts focus on Cloudy so these two aren't scum together imo

If you don't trust either right now Kid is this more indicative of null or that you suspect both

Decent post imo

I don't know any of your personalities besides Maria hence I commented on it, and I'm not sure why personality should be a starting point for why you're town lol

I'm gonna come back to this post a while later, probably within a week

So overall there's a couple decent posts by unwnd but overall it's rather scummy imo

Be a good girl and vote him for me please Gamma

Can do
VOTE: unwnd

Moreover what is your current read on Gamma and him saying 'IDK' about me and then trying to bring up a quotewall when provoked

Ok I just noticed this and it's bullshit, the quote wall was me forming a read because I knew if I didn't have a read on you I should get one, and it just took a while because I was trying to do a quote wall on mobile while playing other games too.

User 9 virus % slowly rising with every new input...Fake logic detected. Would like to put into extermination process

At this point either MariaR is either scum or has lost the ability to read me right because every time they've talked about me it's been to call me scum
I'm leaning the former now that it is in words

The exact same thing I said that was happening in #804 seems to be coming to fruition

I should've named myself Soothsayer

Ok I just noticed this and it's bullshit, the quote wall was me forming a read because I knew if I didn't have a read on you I should get one, and it just took a while because I was trying to do a quote wall on mobile while playing other games too.

I don't know why you need to explain yourself like this if you weren't provoked or don't feel like you did anything wrong in the first place

Because you were making it out like that was the case??? You had just said I posted the read wall "when provoked" which wasn't true so I was disproving that.

Why do you scumread anyone who provokes you besides RC Gamma

1) this is a lie, if I were to scumread MariaR for provoking me it would've come a lot sooner
2) I didn't scumread RC because it was equally likely that it was town!RC just being very wrong
3) p sure other people have provoked me without me suspecting them

Why do you scumread anyone who provokes you besides RC Gamma

1) this is a lie, if I were to scumread MariaR for provoking me it would've come a lot sooner
2) I didn't scumread RC because it was equally likely that it was town!RC just being very wrong
3) p sure other people have provoked me without me suspecting them

As far as I remember this is the first time you interacted with her? I won't argue the point of provoking you because apparently that idea is something you get very defensive about, which I imagine means you are uh, provoked. Like, if it didn't bother you? You wouldn't response. You wouldn't care. You're right you didn't scumread RC, but as far as I remember you toyed with the idea of what alignment he was and never gave a solid definition. Why do you feel like you're wrong now? He hasn't been playing any different besides backing off you. This is why I said I feel like you only scumread people who provoke you, because you were getting all mad and frustrated even FULL CAPS about RC's read on you earlier and now it doesn't even matter and he's just town?

Why does the last point matter?

I definitely interacted with Maria earlier. And I only took offense to the "being provoked" thing because it was used to attack my wall when that was extremely not the case, I just took a while because I had some points that criss crossed between posts I was looking at. Yes I did toy with the idea of RC being scum but I figured it was easier to not go with that because if RC were scum then they'd probably get me lynched anyway, and it worked our because by assuming RC was town I got a sense that they were being genuine in pushing me. The reason I was going all caps was because I was convinced RC was wrong about the YGM game, and I stopped yelling when I read that game and realized "oh shit I was the wrong one". The last point matters because it contradicts what you're saying.

Why do you scumread anyone who provokes you besides RC Gamma

1) this is a lie, if I were to scumread MariaR for provoking me it would've come a lot sooner
2) I didn't scumread RC because it was equally likely that it was town!RC just being very wrong
3) p sure other people have provoked me without me suspecting them

As far as I remember this is the first time you interacted with her? I won't argue the point of provoking you because apparently that idea is something you get very defensive about, which I imagine means you are uh, provoked. Like, if it didn't bother you? You wouldn't response. You wouldn't care. You're right you didn't scumread RC, but as far as I remember you toyed with the idea of what alignment he was and never gave a solid definition. Why do you feel like you're wrong now? He hasn't been playing any different besides backing off you. This is why I said I feel like you only scumread people who provoke you, because you were getting all mad and frustrated even FULL CAPS about RC's read on you earlier and now it doesn't even matter and he's just town?

Why does the last point matter?

I definitely interacted with Maria earlier. And I only took offense to the "being provoked" thing because it was used to attack my wall when that was extremely not the case, I just took a while because I had some points that criss crossed between posts I was looking at. Yes I did toy with the idea of RC being scum but I figured it was easier to not go with that because if RC were scum then they'd probably get me lynched anyway, and it worked our because by assuming RC was town I got a sense that they were being genuine in pushing me. The reason I was going all caps was because I was convinced RC was wrong about the YGM game, and I stopped yelling when I read that game and realized "oh shit I was the wrong one". The last point matters because it contradicts what you're saying.

I again don't know why you need to explain yourself if you did nothing wrong. This tangent you're getting into and trying to cover all bases makes me feel worse about you than better. I make stupid and shitty reads all the time, let alone embarrass myself

If you accept RC was a bad read, that's fine. Instead you have some coordinated reason as to why it was bad and it comes off like you're self-aware in a way that you don't want anything leading back to you

Cool, apparently I'm scum for actually being able to fucking defend myself, piss off. I started explaining myself because you presented a bullshit interpretation of my actions and I wanted to make clear what the actual situation was. Also if you didn't want me doing a war of the words, maybe don't respond to a pointed list with a wall of text?

Well of course you would I'm pushing you
But to respond more thoroughly yeah I'm frustrated because you appear to be using twisty fucking language and when people do that it makes me angry because it's really hard to argue with. And I'm saying the behavior in response to my own is scummy because 1) that's what I think, I already believe you're scum so you resounding like this just reinforces my feelings, and for Maria it's the fact we actually have a good rate of reading each other so for her to consistent push me like this sends alarms ringing in my mind, and it's not the first time she's tried this playing scum against me either. 2) sometimes I just end up reading people based on how they interact with me, I've been told I've had OMGUS style reads in the past.

I can vaguely see what you're saying Cloudy but I'm still not sure, like you say it feels like someone who feels unjustly pushed but I don't see that.
But I also think I can agree with the idea of leaving him to post more and seeing what happens
VOTE: MariaR though because I stand by the fact this isn't how town!Maria approaches me at all

[RedPanda]

I think cloudkicker is good at mefia.

[Primate]

I thought that 819 was pretty scummy too but I looked and he's done the whole respond to "everything" a bit overdramatically thing before in other games, as town, so fyi if that's what pinged you about it.

[RedPanda]

my only fear is gamma could just be lynchbait who just posts too much.

[Primate]

So what you going to do to make sure that isn't happening?

[Primate]

EBODP: Better wording

*So what you going to do to try and prevent that from happening?

[RedPanda]

I'll cross that bridge if my null reads go after gamma.

[Celestial Coordinates]

Cool, so feeling pretty good about Dunn, RP, Sakura, Bambi. I work differently than RC. On D1 he scumhunts where I am more prone to trying to build townblocks.

[Zaphkael]

Mine, finally home, going to work on the votecounts now

[PenguinPower]

[PenguinPower]

Anyone want to catch me up?

I'm not going to read 50 pages.

[unwnd]

If what you got out of my paragraph is that I'm frustrated RC is pushing me you're not listening. I'm not even that frustrated, I just uh, enjoy playing the game. When I called RC out for not looking at his townreaders more scrutingly I was hoping that would invoke him to talk more about why he townreads them, but instead I essentially got my whole spiel filtered into 'lol ur mad.' When I said 'guys, look at the votecounts and try to tell me if you can remember people's reasoning for them', I don't think that was hard to understand. I commented that there was a lack of talking points, so I made them. That's all I intended to do and this game will continue to bore me if people keep playing so narrow-minded

[unwnd]

There's no reason for this gamestate to exist. It's why I'm thinking it's manufactured and lead by scum.

People will lurk regardless, I'm not sure that "this gamestate" is a thing (I don't think it's a good defense, at least)

I don't know why you took it as a defense (see: my previous post), All I'm doing is taking the opportunity to speak out if people suspect me lol

[PenguinPower]

Definitely not going to read 50 pages if this is a boring game...

[CloudKicker]

Don't replace-in if you don't even care, 50 pages is that bad to catch up

[CloudKicker]

is not*

[PenguinPower]

I never catch up

[PenguinPower]

Doesn't mean I don't care...

[Bambi Jay]

Anyone want to catch me up?

I'm not going to read 50 pages.

I told people to murder a Miller claim for free Serum.

Dunn disagreed heavily while also being a Miller.

Unwod is being salty. RC is being themself. I want alot of Murder.

Dunno what else to say really.

[PenguinPower]

unwnd being salty because of RC, I take it.

Anyone else you want to murder, or is it just the miller?

[Bambi Jay]

Currently Unwnd for being salty. I think RC is after others though, but those seem like better vigi targets.

[Bambi Jay]

I'm voting scum.

I'll kill at least 2 scum even if one of my reads is wrong.

I think that all 3 of

Cloudkicker

,

Unwnd

, and

Gamma Emerald

are scumbuddies. Gamma is the least confident but still feel relatively good on.

This is the Main stuff you need from RC, Pengu. That and Cloud is getting more aggressive about it too.