Role Call I (Game Over)

[Creature]

I think pisskpop's town too

[Gamma Emerald]

Bulletproof should go to a scum read.

Why???

[Creature]

Actually not sure I can trust AP here

[Creature]

Bulletproof should go to a scum read.

Why???

We can't let the town vig kill them D:

[Gamma Emerald]

Gladiator: CheekyTeeky
Inactive: momo
Day 5 Innocent Child: Dunnstral
Inventor: apthet
Day 3 King: Bingle
Macho: Lil Uzi Vert
Miller: Creature
Odd-Night Motion Detector: Gamma Emerald
Neighbour: popsofctown
Neighbour: pisskop
Timid: Hidden Happiness
Vanilla: AP

Draft Proposal

Night 2 Bulletproof: Momo
Captain: popsofctown
Chronomage: pisskop
Doublevoter: Hidden Happiness
Neighbour: Jingle
Day 3 Post Restricted: AP
Psychologist: Apthet
Revisor: Dunnstral
Night 3 Compulsive Role Caller: Lil Uzi Vert
Treestump: Creature
Even Night Tracker: Gamma Emerald
Compulsive Quitter: CheekyTeeky

I'd never give Creature Treestump

[Gamma Emerald]

I only feel tempted to talk about future tragedies this game will have.

I don't really feel to good about this burst of activity rn

[Gamma Emerald]

I agree but the fact that Baezu didn’t replace the hydra is concerning. Could just be a mod error but eh.

In my experience mod asks the player before replacing officially. It's possible Baezu only wanted to play as a hydra/with RC.

[Gamma Emerald]

Actually, I could live with NeroDunn getting an investigative. Since IC/Guaranteed flip eventually

Imo he should get Captain

[Gamma Emerald]

Why shouldn't Dunnstral get BP over rolecall? If Dunnstral has both D5 IC and rolecall that's a bloated piñata made out of waxpaper for the scum to shoot. Doesn't matter what role he calls.

Why are we not giving the town players the immunity to the scum players' factional action.

How on god's green earth are you able to make that question complicated?

How certain are you Dunn is town rn?

[popsofctown]

@cfj: Miller has no effect on Psychologist results?
Also, does Psychologist check whether a player has never used an Eliminate ability the entire game, or hasn't used one during the current night? Or both?

[apthet]

apthet should probably claim target and ability given too (the benefits overweigh the downside of it).

Sure -- I don't see any downsides either so I'll just go for it. I gave CheekyTeeky friendly neighbor. I think we could probably leash this on another potential elimination target which either eliminates scumread people from the POE or boxes scum in. I kind of had a hope about potential gladiator synergy but I didn't think too deeply into it. I think it would be helpful, say, if Cheeky visited someone and they claimed no result. Then we force a gladiate between the two or something tomorrow. I assume this is why Cheeky hasn't gladiated, by the way.

AP: at first I gave it to you because you're one of the people I am most unsure about but I do think I remember pops saying that you are 100% readable to him so I figure that's enough information.

I should get the night 2 bulletproof, yes?

Seems like this comes from town. I don't feel strongly inclined to give you BP but I think it wouldn't necessarily be a bad idea.

One of my theories is that PK is scum and so is pops, killing vecna means PK is less suspicious because he inherits a subpar town role in a hood with his buddy. Alternatively if PK were town then scum killed vecna to ensure that PK got a dud role...but then why would you let the better roles live and kill Vecna? Was Vecna largely townread?

Sure. I think that pisskop and pops both have pretty good potential to be "the deepwolf" out of the consensus townreads. But I don't think this speculation is super useful at this stage. Vecna was townread and I think that's most, if not all of the reason for the NK.

So why does momo have the bulletproof in your proposal...?

It accomplished two things. It appeases those that scum read him and it gives protection to one of my town reads. Which I will admit is wavering a bit.

Feel like there's maybe a bit of backpedal / panic coming through this post.

I don't think think apthet should claim btw. She probably gifted friendly neighbor and we don't want scum to know what slot is going to develop into a shootable IC slot.

This is a good point, but... I think I'm going to leave the claim there. I think it's efficient for town energy to move on from discussing her as a Quitter target now. Seems like there's a decent chance of that getting proposed, which would probably lead to me claiming anyway. And if scum wants to use the nightkill on someone that no one felt confident in, I'm quite okay with that. (Feel free to yell at me if this is bad. )

[popsofctown]

Why shouldn't Dunnstral get BP over rolecall? If Dunnstral has both D5 IC and rolecall that's a bloated piñata made out of waxpaper for the scum to shoot. Doesn't matter what role he calls.

Why are we not giving the town players the immunity to the scum players' factional action.

How on god's green earth are you able to make that question complicated?

How certain are you Dunn is town rn?

He's d5 IC he should be treated as town.
But beyond that he's very very likely town because day 1 seemed to have heavy influence on scum proposals, so if Dunn was scum the 3 missing votes on "5 day poison Nero Cain" would have easily sunk a proposal that could lack enthusiasm for other reasons as well

[apthet]

you are 100% readable to him

Sorry,

her!!!!!

Goodness! I've made a hypocrite out of myself!

[popsofctown]

Since CT has gladiator and might have used I guess you have to claim that.

I don't know how I feel about aiming the night action the way you did in the first place, it seems optimal to aim that ability at someone more in the middleground

[popsofctown]

I can be pronouned "he" or "she". I used to leave the pronoun setting off and put that in my signature but everyone called me "they" so I gave up on that.

[apthet]

I don't know how I feel about aiming the night action the way you did in the first place, it seems optimal to aim that ability at someone more in the middleground

To me it seemed good to eliminate the option of who we're most likely to give Quitter to the next day so we can more quickly sort the people in the middleground. I think big-picture it ends up having the same town benefit.

[popsofctown]

Both revisor and gladiator interact with d3 King it seems like? That's weird?

@callforjudgment: what happens if d3 king logs in as early as he can and submits proposal with Alice as the Compulsive Quitter, and then one shot gladiator logs in right after and bolds in thread that Bob will gladiate against Charles

[Creature]

I'd never give Creature Treestump

Yep, assuming treestump is like a second lynch, it's suboptimal to lynch me.

[Creature]

I only feel tempted to talk about future tragedies this game will have.

I don't really feel to good about this burst of activity rn

Should we do something then?

[pisskop]

@mod:. what happens if a non-town aligned player uses a friendly neighbor?

[Gamma Emerald]

I'd never give Creature Treestump

Yep, assuming treestump is like a second lynch, it's suboptimal to lynch me.

Moreover, you don't contribute enough as town to make it useful on you I that case

[Creature]

@cfj: Miller has no effect on Psychologist results?
Also, does Psychologist check whether a player has never used an Eliminate ability the entire game, or hasn't used one during the current night? Or both?

Whaaaaaat? You wanna check me?

[apthet]

1-shot Friendly Neighbour (Night): Once in the game at Night, choose a player other than yourself. If you are Town-aligned, the moderator will confirm that fact to the chosen player. (If you use this ability when not Town-aligned, it acts as a Visitor, i.e. it targets that player but has no further effect.)

[Creature]

Well, I don't want to be treestumped anyway

I hate being locktown

[popsofctown]

@mod:. what happens if a non-town aligned player uses a friendly neighbor?

They visit the target, similar to like a fruit vendor but without the victim of the action getting a message from the mod to know that the visit happened.
It was either in the post or the wiki